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aber äusserst langsam. but extremely slowly.Is moving !!!!
aber äusserst langsam. but extremely slowly.Is moving !!!!
I agree up to a point but I had thought of a route where Bennett would have taken his time & enjoyed each incremental step along the way. There's just so much fun he could have had. Those who wish for a more domineering Sophia could have been given the option of a 'hate-fuck.' There might even have been the possibility of her finding this more fulfilling than the sub-par performance Liam seems to deliver.I don't think Bennett was poorly written, Bennett was supposed to be someone we hate and sure as hell we hated him as person. So L&P did a good job there.
What I feel a strong blackmail storyline with Bennett would do is make Sophia hate all of this. Bennett won't play around like Aiden, he will go straight for sex. Which even if Sophia agrees to will be forced on her. This kind of experience is psychologically scarring, after that writing a scene where your son, or neighbor is trying to get touchy with you can only make it even more repulsive. She would feel so disgusted that even her husband's touch would literally be unbearable.
Aiden's blackmail is gradual and allows Sophia to enjoy it as well, something which Bennett's storyline can't offer.
If this were a game solely for blackmail not containing the other fetishes and routes, Bennett would be a good choice. Morello as an antagonist for blackmail would be even better. But this game has many characters and something extreme can ruin every other route
As I read this I think the "fashion business" should be a celebration for you and a good substitute for the missed Bennet opportunity.I agree up to a point but I had thought of a route where Bennett would have taken his time & enjoyed each incremental step along the way. There's just so much fun he could have had. Those who wish for a more domineering Sophia could have been given the option of a 'hate-fuck.' There might even have been the possibility of her finding this more fulfilling than the sub-par performance Liam seems to deliver.
Those who don't want 'mistress' Sophia (including me...it doesn't suit her at all IMO), could have also been given this option but perhaps at the end of a longer lead-in & certainly with different conversations.
Psychological damage & especially guilt feelings are bound to occur in this story. That has to happen in order for the story to cling onto any vestiges of realism, assuming there's actually going to be some penetrative M or F sexual encounters this side of 2030. Sophia's incredible ability to "re-set" after each event is not one of this tale's better aspects IMO. It possibly would make a massive difference as to how promiscuous Sophia might become, I agree, but for those like me, sex with a blood-relative close family member should be equally, if not more damaging than coerced sex with a blackmailing sleazeball. RL-style realism requires that the feelings mentioned vary in their intensity dependent on how many 'partners', who they are, who took the lead, who finds out....& someone always does, how long/serious was the relationship? etc. Bennett could have 'slotted' (pun intended) right in there, along with the others.
As it stands it's all academic, yet I stll think there's a 90/10 chance of Bennett going further. Should I say I like to think so.
I just want to know if we get to watch that last line of yours. The 'sure shot' part.Yes, it's not a guarantee, but giving into Bennett's blackmail even before approaching the board is what will be stupid. Also Bennett might change the grade but ask to continue these acts so that he doesn't change them back.
Morello is a sure shot solution. One call and Bennett's done for.
Ultimately, there is no blackmail that is escape proof. It is the blackmailer that makes the choices easier to give in to. If someone is willing to take a certain hit but, forever remove the threat, then the blackmailer loses power.For Morello it is about how he is a bit attracted to Sophia as well. He approached her of all at the casino. That's teh whole reason why she even had an option to get rid of the debt in another manner. If someone is being a menace for Sophia, seeing how understanding and gentlemanly Morello has been, it shouldn't be much. After all he just needs to give a phone call.
About Aiden. Thinking from Sophia's perspective," Do I have a way to get rid of Aiden in a way that ensures complete safety for Dylan. Where even if Dylan is alone he is not under threat, No I don't, hence there is no solution." "Is he so big of a threat that even if I send him Patricia and keep him under security, he will still be attacked, no, that is something only Morello is capable of." "So I have no way to solve Aiden issue but I am not helpless. I can send Dylan to them and keep him safe, even though the threat still exists and also restraining orders can be passed against Aiden ( this is something that is mentioned in the game when we choose to involve Carl ).
I won't say that Sophia or us think that is the best option, that is the best option that is made available to us. Which is always basically a Yes or a No. Since L&P or any developer can't account for every possiblity.
I have explained why doing the task is a better choice for now. So she went to Aiden's 3rd task.
Essentially the problem is that this is not a game centred around blackmail. And none of L&P's blackmail are tightly sealed blackmails with no escape. That is intentional in my opinion. He does not want to take the extremes and so has clearly left out ways or provided options to leave them.
Your point about the psychological damage in case of sex with other characters is something I totally agree with. It is the reason why I am not sure if including sex scenes with guys like Dylan, Sam, Zac, Aiden is a good decision.I agree up to a point but I had thought of a route where Bennett would have taken his time & enjoyed each incremental step along the way. There's just so much fun he could have had. Those who wish for a more domineering Sophia could have been given the option of a 'hate-fuck.' There might even have been the possibility of her finding this more fulfilling than the sub-par performance Liam seems to deliver.
Those who don't want 'mistress' Sophia (including me...it doesn't suit her at all IMO), could have also been given this option but perhaps at the end of a longer lead-in & certainly with different conversations.
Psychological damage & especially guilt feelings are bound to occur in this story. That has to happen in order for the story to cling onto any vestiges of realism, assuming there's actually going to be some penetrative M or F sexual encounters this side of 2030. Sophia's incredible ability to "re-set" after each event is not one of this tale's better aspects IMO. It possibly would make a massive difference as to how promiscuous Sophia might become, I agree, but for those like me, sex with a blood-relative close family member should be equally, if not more damaging than coerced sex with a blackmailing sleazeball. RL-style realism requires that the feelings mentioned vary in their intensity dependent on how many 'partners', who they are, who took the lead, who finds out....& someone always does, how long/serious was the relationship? etc. Bennett could have 'slotted' (pun intended) right in there, along with the others.
As it stands it's all academic, yet I stll think there's a 90/10 chance of Bennett going further. Should I say I like to think so.
I always believe the boarding school is not a "solution" but a "safety measure". ( Now L&P can't make a storyline showing how Aiden is trying to take down Dylan even at the boarding school in order to back his words to Sophia ). The Aiden threat exists even then. Which also makes sense with the fact that L&P gives two separate solutions for Aiden. At task 4 and later at 9. He always mentions 2 solutions to Aiden, not three, meaning he does not include this as a solution.Ultimately, there is no blackmail that is escape proof. It is the blackmailer that makes the choices easier to give in to. If someone is willing to take a certain hit but, forever remove the threat, then the blackmailer loses power.
In Aiden's case the solution is boarding school or later in game talk to her best buddy Morello and have a horse head delivered to Aiden's Uncle. He will get the idea real fast no matter how much he thinks he is a big shot lawyer.
In Bennett's case he will need extensive reconstructive knee surgery.
Sophia will be indebted to Morello and it will be a totally different path of corruption. However. the debt would be hers and the guilt hers. Unlike the situation with Liam where he is doing nada and getting his debt cleared. He does not see a consequence except for a few days stress. Something KillJoys is accurate in pointing out.
However, this is not our game. It is L&P's game and he is driving a different car on a different route and we are just sightseers.
Stopped playing a couple of years ago. I still visit the thread sometimes but couldn't stand the 'grindfest.' Life's too short & I prefer a story with an element of realism & adult themes, however tenuous.As I read this I think the "fashion business" should be a celebration for you and a good substitute for the missed Bennet opportunity.
Somehow, based on your previous contributions, I expected exactly this answer from you.Stopped playing a couple of years ago. I still visit the thread sometimes but couldn't stand the 'grindfest.' Life's too short & I prefer a story with an elememt of realism & adult themes, however tenuous.
The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
The update might be smaller this time.The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
It was relatively fast.
I think if this pace of work continues, we can expect an update by the end of October or the beginning of November.
Let's celebrate!The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
What gave you that impression. It's approximately 850 renders at this point.The update might be smaller this time.
Per L&P, the update is supposed to be smaller than the last one. This update contains only four events and the current one has six events.The update might be smaller this time.
Yeah, It's just a fan poll for the most part. If you look at the current poll right now and the previous one, Liam is in the last place in both polls, but he plays a major role in the GW path and more of a filler role in the Filthy path. There will be characters that will have a Major Support Role, and there will be some that are just Filler Support Roles to help with her corruption.Just because a few characters weren't mentioned in the poll, doesn't mean they won't have a (bigger) role in the game. This poll is dubious anyway. The possibility to choose several characters is not representative for me. And not much has changed since the last poll. Only Aiden has made a leap forward. But that was again due to the currently played Task 3, which was still very present for many.
I agree with you.L&P shows an unbelievable naivety of Sophia and Liam in dealing with the Mafia. From the narrator's point of view, this could mean he doesn't want to give much importance to the whole Morello Path. As far as the realism of history is concerned by L&P, however, this point of view cannot be understood at all. Not if the Parker family owes 400,000 bucks to Morello. But no matter it's L&P story, there is nothing I can do about it, and maybe something will come.
But at the moment it is completely unclear to me how Sophia finds out that Morello, through his brother, now feels obliged to her. The word "Cumae" was used, but I had to goggle the meaning. How would you react if the most powerful mafia boss calls you and tells you he owes you a favor to ask him for a favor. If at the same time you owe the mob boss a large amount of money. Then on the phone would you say "I have a problem with someone"? Or would you reject everything that the mafia lets back into your life? Actually, it would be incredibly naive and unrealistic to let Sophia get involved with it.
As for the choice between Aiden or Bennett. Aiden threatens your son's life / health and appears to have powerful allies. With Aiden, Sophia thinks she can control the situation. Bennett is a direct threat to your son's future and also to Sophia. In real life, the decision wouldn't be that easy. In this game, the developer made the decision for me by shortening the Bennett route. (Which is not to say that I would have decided otherwise than to set Morello on the repulsive pig Bennet.)
dm "You see, before anything, and everything... I am a businessman. My interests are in solving problems strategically, and efficiently."
dm "So, finishing you off... That wouldn't benefit me at all! It's an antiquated, and stereotypical view of our business."
[...]
dm "The money isn't actually what's important to me here. It's the principle. A man reaps what he sows."
dm "But most of all, it hurts me that such a lovely woman has to suffer under the foolishness of her spouse."
dm "I therefore propose you a special deal... A way to redeem a big part of the debt, and keep your home intact."
[...]
dm "After that, we'll talk about your debts once more. I might even consider freeing you from all of them!"
I absolutely agree! Unfortunately, in the story with Don Morello, L&P is too far from reality.I agree with you.
In real life such a convenient deal would be ridiculous, to the point that maybe Mafia should sue L&P for misrepresenting their category
Even if Don Morello can be considered a "high class" mobster, more business oriented then a violent one, it's difficult to think that a simple prison visit, no matter how far Sophia goes, is enough to free them from the debt or at least a big chunk of it.
The only thing that can actually make the story a bit more believable is the "Family" and the high value that it plays in the Mafia world. Since Morello seems not so greedy about money it can make sense that he values the well-being of his family so much to propose the deal (also to keep Larry calm and avoid any temptation in "singing"). Seen from this point of view it's not so out of the world, but still it is quite odd even for the Mafia world.Python:dm "You see, before anything, and everything... I am a businessman. My interests are in solving problems strategically, and efficiently." dm "So, finishing you off... That wouldn't benefit me at all! It's an antiquated, and stereotypical view of our business." [...] dm "The money isn't actually what's important to me here. It's the principle. A man reaps what he sows." dm "But most of all, it hurts me that such a lovely woman has to suffer under the foolishness of her spouse." dm "I therefore propose you a special deal... A way to redeem a big part of the debt, and keep your home intact." [...] dm "After that, we'll talk about your debts once more. I might even consider freeing you from all of them!"
This is for what we know from the story and the small pieces of information from the dev. I'm not digging into other theories that we explored in the past for which the gambling was a set up or Liam was already in debt etc.
For what has to come, according to what the dev said (thanks KillJoys ) Larry's points (i.e. how far Sophia went) could matter for the help that she can receive from Morello.
Possibilities are endless and it's difficult to say. L&P seems to suggest that just visiting without giving too much to Larry is enough to get rid of the debt. Probably getting to the cumare status (i.e. without showing the breast and anything after that) will grant the "protection" and the favor to ask. There could be a finer grained set of outcomes based on Larry's point but that will make things more complicated (branches etc)
Again, I agree that it is unrealistic to have such a good deal + "protection" for just a prison visit. The only thing that can make it a more believable is, again, the Family and the particular "honor" system that rules the Mafia world. I think we are again the conditional realism realm or/and we can grant L&P an artistic licence.
As for the choices of asking Morello's help and who should "sleep with the fishes" I see the potential for Sophia to choose between the lesser of the two evils (Morello or deal with Aiden/Bennet alone), as the favor could come with some "strings attached" or at the very least accepting to be part of the "Family" is not a choice that someone (at least in real life) could make with a light heart, once you are in the Family you cannot quit...
I think the whole Morello as an out for either of Sophia's extortionists doesn't hold an ounce of water. This especially doesn't make sense until Sophia/Liam have completely satisfied their debt. This is business, right? Why would Sophia be allowed to open up additional credit lines before satisfying the first line of credit? Doesn't make sense.I agree with you.
In real life such a convenient deal would be ridiculous, to the point that maybe Mafia should sue L&P for misrepresenting their category
Even if Don Morello can be considered a "high class" mobster, more business oriented then a violent one, it's difficult to think that a simple prison visit, no matter how far Sophia goes, is enough to free them from the debt or at least a big chunk of it.
The only thing that can actually make the story a bit more believable is the "Family" and the high value that it plays in the Mafia world. Since Morello seems not so greedy about money it can make sense that he values the well-being of his family so much to propose the deal (also to keep Larry calm and avoid any temptation in "singing"). Seen from this point of view it's not so out of the world, but still it is quite odd even for the Mafia world.Python:dm "You see, before anything, and everything... I am a businessman. My interests are in solving problems strategically, and efficiently." dm "So, finishing you off... That wouldn't benefit me at all! It's an antiquated, and stereotypical view of our business." [...] dm "The money isn't actually what's important to me here. It's the principle. A man reaps what he sows." dm "But most of all, it hurts me that such a lovely woman has to suffer under the foolishness of her spouse." dm "I therefore propose you a special deal... A way to redeem a big part of the debt, and keep your home intact." [...] dm "After that, we'll talk about your debts once more. I might even consider freeing you from all of them!"
This is for what we know from the story and the small pieces of information from the dev. I'm not digging into other theories that we explored in the past for which the gambling was a set up or Liam was already in debt etc.
For what has to come, according to what the dev said (thanks KillJoys ) Larry's points (i.e. how far Sophia went) could matter for the help that she can receive from Morello.
Possibilities are endless and it's difficult to say. L&P seems to suggest that just visiting without giving too much to Larry is enough to get rid of the debt. Probably getting to the cumare status (i.e. without showing the breast and anything after that) will grant the "protection" and the favor to ask. There could be a finer grained set of outcomes based on Larry's point but that will make things more complicated (branches etc)
Again, I agree that it is unrealistic to have such a good deal + "protection" for just a prison visit. The only thing that can make it a more believable is, again, the Family and the particular "honor" system that rules the Mafia world. I think we are again the conditional realism realm or/and we can grant L&P an artistic licence.
As for the choices of asking Morello's help and who should "sleep with the fishes" I see the potential for Sophia to choose between the lesser of the two evils (Morello or deal with Aiden/Bennet alone), as the favor could come with some "strings attached" or at the very least accepting to be part of the "Family" is not a choice that someone (at least in real life) could make with a light heart, once you are in the Family you cannot quit...
I think that will be something like this
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As nexer pointed out so well, I too think that the place where Sam will be performing will most likely be this one:I wonder what songs Sam is going to sing at the concert.