VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[Adolfo]

This is a firebird. But the car seems a chevrolet Nova

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[Deleted member 2183629]

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[GingerSweetGirl]

Difference between a dive bar and a BIKER bar. Dive bar has cheap drinks and everything else is cheap. So easy to see them spring $$$ for a garage band. The clientele are mixed and just there to drown their sorrows. Biker bar it is all about the security that what happens there is secure from the authorities. In a previous life I had buddies that used to frequent real biker bars just to get in fights. They went in with a whole plan including the egress when the police showed up. And they would plan this before they got drunk. Go figure. So all sorts of illegal happens there.

This would so totally fail the realism if it is a real biker bar. Now the wanna be bar or a different bar he has not yet revealed could work. I hope for those.

This is fair. I'm looking at this bar as a dive bar, not biker bar. But you're right, if it's a true biker bar then I wouldn't be comfortable there. I guess I have to assume it's a dive bar because they hired the kids to play. And while even a dive bar wouldn't hire these kids, it's even less likely that a biker bar would.

More than likely this illustrates a cultural disconnect by L&P, and it's easy to see how it happens. There are countless nuances to every aspect of culture, and I can see a German not understanding exactly what a biker bar is. I can see L&P wanting a rough bar based upon what he's seen on TV, without realizing the bar he picked is a biker bar and that:

A) They're not a typical bar
B) No one like Sophia would go to one
C) it's incomprehensible that such a bar would hire a high school garage band.

I'm not wagging my finger at L&P, it's just interesting. These details are easy to miss when you're writing a story for an audience outside of your native culture. If I were writing a story based in Germany I would have the characters eat nothing but Schnitzel and drink and wear lederhosen. And I would be rightfully snickered at.

 

[t3alqdansam]

How would this game AWAM end? What would be the end scenario of this game?

come back in 18 years

 

[t3alqdansam]

This is fair. I'm looking at this bar as a dive bar, not biker bar. But you're right, if it's a true biker bar then I wouldn't be comfortable there. I guess I have to assume it's a dive bar because they hired the kids to play. And while even a dive bar wouldn't hire these kids, it's even less likely that a biker bar would.

More thank likely this illustrates a cultural disconnect by L&P, and it's easy to see how it happens. There are countless nuances to every aspect of culture, and I can see a German not understanding exactly what a biker bar is. I can see L&P wanting a rough bar based upon what he's seen on TV, without realizing the bar he picked is a biker bar and that:

A) They're not a typical bar
B) No one like Sophia would go to one
C) it's incomprehensible that such a bar would hire a high school garage band.

I'm not wagging my finger at L&P, it's just interesting. These details are easy to miss when you're writing a story for an audience outside of your native culture. If I were writing a story based in Germany I would have the characters eat nothing but Schnitzel and drink and wear lederhosen. And I would be rightfully snickered at.

you forgot the Pomme Frits

 

[t3alqdansam]

Sorry for my naïveté and lack of RL experience in biker bars &C, what are the policy (in the US) for underage people (<21) for places like that where, I guess, they serve alcohol? Because if we really want to nitpick about realism that could be another problem. There are discordant opinions about the character ages, but for sure they are < 21 (not to start this argument again! )

Also, the sun is still up in the sky, as you can see from the previous teaser and from the piece of sky in the up right corner of this one (and the facades of the buildings in front). How is then possible that close to the bar you can already clearly see the light of the lamps and the car like it's dark already? Is it the shadow projected by the 3000m mountain of the airport?

Sorry for these stupid observations, the second one is really sarcastic. It is just that sometimes I feel that we get too excited (me first), one way or another (more often negative), and we jump to the conclusion "everything is gonna suck", "where is the realism" etc. I love to speculate and hear yours but I think we should **judge** once we see the whole thing, whenever it will be (or at least wait to have more context). And sorry for this mini-rant, probably is the lack of coffee.

Speculation-wise, [crazy idea ahead] I'd would not cross the beach option yet. For sure it is not a beach bar, but looking at the surroundings and in particular that piece of sky on the top right and the buildings that suddenly stop, it gives (to me) the impression of open space from there on like we could be close to the beach (i.e. at walking distance). To be clear, i'm not pushing for the beach, probably it's a bias of mine given by what we speculated before based on Sam dialogue. Again, I need a coffee asap

Kudos to Apollodore for spotting the truck similar to the movers' and to Jude6 for spotting the resemblance!!! (reached the reaction limit...)

Depends on the state. Some states 21 or older where alcohol is served or you can lose your license. Others you just need to check the people that are buying, drinking. Once again can lose your license. So most places enforce that strictly and boot patrons that try to violate it.

 

[t3alqdansam]

This is why I hope I'm as wrong about developments as I've ever been in relation to how things look so far. If L&P follows his usual practice of providing spoilers which don't really give away the intended plotline, this event might be better than it looks right now. (Whatever happens, I'll always feel the same about the outfit). We've seen him pull off some great "sleight of hand" tricks in the past & he may be able to do it again.

As I said earlier. This may be one of many bars in the area and Sam's bar is not yet visible. It is merely the closest parking.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Look, creating or searching the web for a daz model is not a trivial matter. it is unthinkable to place a new character every time you have to fill the scene with someone just to avoid a "duplicate" effect. In filler characters if a developer puts a generic model for more than once it doesn't matter.

L&P doesn’t do generic models. He changes book covers for fuck’s sake. Not a mistake and not an oversight, and neither is that moving company’s truck.

 

[mad_hungarian]

I personally like the idea of a rock/biker bar.

We also have to consider the fact that L&P has a German mind set while trying to portray an "American" City. Here in Germany a kid can go to a bar at 16 and with parents 14, all while being able to drink beer (no hard stuff)

This is fair. I'm looking at this bar as a dive bar, not biker bar. But you're right, if it's a true biker bar then I wouldn't be comfortable there. I guess I have to assume it's a dive bar because they hired the kids to play. And while even a dive bar wouldn't hire these kids, it's even less likely that a biker bar would.

I frequent a biker bar (Club house for a Franconian Biker club) North of Nuremberg. It is surprising how many single younger hotties and milfy types show up at this bar. Why? Because they have fun and they're "protected" from the bullshit they would possibly run into at some other bar. Being a old war horse as myself I enjoy the conversation and looking at the "menu", so to speak. Most the biker bars I hangout at are mostly Combat Veterans, we have common experiences that no one fully understands unless you lived such experiences. So, if Sophia and her sis walked into a bar of bikers that i hangout at no harm would come to them and they or you might be surprised at the intellect in such crowds.

 

[nexer]

We can look at it another way: Sophie's dress is evidence of desperation, of the need for sex A cry for help
She's an educated woman, but mother nature has taken over and let's not forget what a day she's had. Who knows what Nathalie did to her and she's desperate to blow off some steam
Here I agree with Bane71 and why not, defend L&P.

 

[Bane71]

We can look at it another way: Sophie's dress is evidence of desperation, of the need for sex A cry for help
She's an educated woman, but mother nature has taken over and let's not forget what a day she's had. Who knows what Nathalie did to her and she's desperate to blow off some steam
Here I agree with Bane71 and why not, defend L&P.

I hope that you are joking because ladies dress up beautifully and sexually not to be fucked in the nearest alley, but because ladies love attention and they delight others like flowers.
I think any normal man knows this, and I'm sure there are most of them here.

 

[hzjujk]

Aber es gibt noch einen anderen Grund, der Sie beunruhigt! Immerhin haben wir Aiden heute schon auf dem Rad gesehen! Um die Route von Sam und Aiden irgendwie zu vermischen, kann L&P Aiden in dieselbe Bar bringen.
Will Aiden be in this bar or not?

We saw Aiden on an egg file, not a bike. If he shows up there with something like that and there are real bikers in the bar, they'll enema this poser.

 

[nexer]

I hope that you are joking because ladies dress up beautifully and sexually not to be fucked in the nearest alley, but because ladies love attention and they delight others like flowers.
I think any normal man knows this, and I'm sure there are most of them here.

Not really, but when you get really horny you get bolder. I'm not saying her intention is to have sex anytime, anywhere, but the logic can change for a person in her situation.

I don't think it's fair to judge Sophia, you who already have 3 shags today and 20 last week

 

[hzjujk]

Friends, I understand that it wasn't just me who was stressed out by the concert in the biker bar. But I still understand that we hardly need to worry so much, I think everything will be quite realistic and not critical.
I dare to hope that L&P will not disappoint us.

I'm thinking about this, Sam has seen Sofia from various angles until tonight:
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All this is a very sexy and quite frank spectacle!
He also received a gentle kiss on the cheek!
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After all, L&P can't take a step back, especially on such an important evening for Sam?

I believe that no matter how the concert in the biker bar went, later Sam will get Sofia's bare breasts, probably a kiss on the lips and even maybe he will feel her groin area.

Following the series of that playable day, Sophia will stand in front of Sam without a bra. It is safe for me! But what is more interesting for me is whether Sam can touch her breasts. Aiden sneaked his opportunity. If I conclude from this and refer back to the law of the series, one might suspect that this is exactly what happened in this event as well. Only that this time, with Sam, Sophia consciously allows it and enjoys it. Even if she might try to hide it from Sam. But that would break the dam. She could no longer overlook the fact that she is actively cheating on Liam and not just "getting into" a situation. If so, I look forward to the inner monologue while Sam drives Sophia home.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

I really hope so but then there's the problem of how to get Sam & Sophia with just each other for company. [Incidentally & back to "the wonder years" again, ho hum, that kind of van (transit type), was known in my town's local teen slang as a "Shaggin' Wagon."]

cant forget this sign
Yo Sophias top will be coming down for sure at this concert either by her sister or some biker dude from behind. Also Sams band better know how to play covers of ZZ Top, ACDC or pretty much any 70's rock, cause if they try to play their own shit or any recent rock there gonna get booed or have bottles thrown at them

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[GingerSweetGirl]

I think it would actually be a good thing if Ivan and the movers were there. It would help tie the story together and keep characters involved.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

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Arrived at the biker bar, the women meet Sam and his boys from the band, getting ready and discussing their performance.

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I guess a Rock Bar is a Biker Bar now...

Wow! That feels somewhat unexpected.

We have been discussing for a while now the meaning of Sam's line chatting with Sophia that the concert was at "one of those bars at the beach", along with L&P's subsequent description of the venue as a rock bar. Various people had focussed on the beach element, and others on the rock element. But there was seemingly a broad consensus that we were expecting a bar that a young rock band could play at that was on/at/by/near the beach. Not what we have been shown so far in the above preview. It is possible that the actual venue is a different place next to or opposite "Bob's Country Bunker" shown in the preview.

I will also defer to more knowledgeable Daz afficionadoes as to whether there is much variety of suitable bar fronts that are readily available. This might have been the best choice from a bad set of Daz asset options. But I was nt expecting this.

And, knowing if this was the venue, it makes the choice of including the romper suit with the "boob pockets" as an option in the Patreon Poll even more surprising.....

Trying to find some shred of realism to cling to until we see for sure what the venue is like once the update released, there are five motorbikes outside. I am no motorbike expert but at first glance these look like decent bikes such as Harley Davidson's. Now whilst I might immediately think Hells Angels, then it is still possible that these might be expensive bikes ridden by middle class office workers. i.e. I am trying not to think of this automatically as a "biker bar" that we have seen depicted in various Hollywood films and TV series as being rough and ready to say the least.

I am hoping that this preview picture is slightly misleading and that when we see the update, we will look back at this preview and laugh at L&P for playing with our expectations. If so then great - I don't mind an occasional misdirect from a preview.

But at the moment I am having a hard time not simply looking at that preview and saying "What the frak" to myself....

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Sure, it's possible. But again, having teenage LIs just makes things needlessly complicated. I know that it's a popular kink, but when the age difference is as great as it is here, it gets really hard to maintain realism. If Sam had been 24, still much younger than Sophia, I think it would have made for a much more believable scenario.

Even 20-21, as opposed to 17-18.