VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[XaGnard]

Ultimately it comes down to what's written on the box. This is advertised as a female protagonist game about a wife and mother. If Dylan was to be an MC, then the game description should have reflected that from the beginning, and players like me could have dismissed the game as the standard cliche incest game Part 2 is proving to be.

Well, if a porn game already points to the mother role in the title, then the expected content is quite obvious, I think.

I, at least, would be very disappointed if Dylan and Ellie don't become much more active than they have been so far. It's about time for something to happen.

 

[davsun]

realistic by a porn game with a fictional history like a erotic romance book... but not realistic like a real life, but inthis crazy world we can see everything, nothing surprise me

 

[Yamakasi20]

So:

1. Any reason why this update took almost 3 months to make?

2. Any reason why the work on the new update is not started after two weeks of 0% ?

3. Any reason to believe, after adding 2 more circles, that after all 6 are at 100% we will add 3 more so we can have Dante's wet dream? And rename them to: Limbo, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Heresy, Violence, Fraud, Treachery so it would actually be fun following their progression?

Just saying

 

[fabyoxx]

This dev is squeezing his patrons and making them pay to re-release a game they already played. Zero progress in the story but he is working on the first day that nobody cares, smart as can not be

 

[GokutheG]

Ultimately it comes down to what's written on the box. This is advertised as a female protagonist game about a wife and mother. If Dylan was to be an MC, then the game description should have reflected that from the beginning, and players like me could have dismissed the game as the standard cliche incest game Part 2 is proving to be.

I had absolutely no interest in Dylan(besides being his mom until he acted like a groper) in the first part of the game so why would I be interested in him being a mc in the 2nd part?(that came out of nowhere) That's what I was hoping sending him to boarding school would telegraph to the game/dev that I don't care for him or his content.

The problem with splitting content between (fe)male mcs is that one side typically comes out on the short end(usually the female mc). That's why I'm weary of the double mc tags because typically the story mainly focuses on the guy's perspective while the female mc is just controlled for like a decision/chapter at most(which i feel the tag should not be used.) The best way that could be handled is to let us pick the mc's gender at the start.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well, if a porn game already points to the mother role in the title, then the expected content is quite obvious, I think.

I, at least, would be very disappointed if Dylan and Ellie don't become much more active than they have been so far. It's about time for something to happen.

It's not the Sophia/Dylan or Sophia/Ellie content I'm criticising. It's the Dylan/... events that have nothing to do with Sophia. Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Amber and the bonus storyline have little to nothing to do with Sophia - the wife and mother.

 

[Hotcoupleeasy]

just i need another scene in that room . only what i want from dev lol

Me too. I just want Sam to see her naked ass

 

[palmtrees89]

Reading some comments the past 2 pages is crazy.

Are people really pulling the burnout card now? Is this the point where even the most diehard fans realize how terribly slow this project has become? Are you really trying to tell yourself burnout is the reason for it now? Lmao

L&P is working on this for 5 years. 6 years in October I believe. Y'all act like he's been working on this for 30+ years, 12 hours a day.

Breaking News: This project's development is in a downward spiral for MORE than 3 years now, and it continues to slow down.

That said, you are basically implying he's been burned out since the 2nd year of development? The current year is no different than the previous ones. It's constantly getting slower. Been that way 3 years ago, and it's still that way in the current year. I'm guessing we've now finally reached a point where no other excuses from the usual suspects make sense anymore? Is this supposed to be the last straw to justify everything?

I feel like some of y'all need daily reminders on some of L&P's statements. Just very recently he's said that he "already has plans to speed up development within the next 1-2 years.". Dejavu much? Not like he's been saying the same crap for many years now, right?

Burnout my ass. Lmao

 

[TomUK]

Reading some of the comments in the past 2 pages is crazy.

Are people really pulling the burnout card now? Is this the point where even the most diehard fans realize how terribly slow this project has become? Are you really trying to tell yourself burnout is the reason for it now? Lmao

L&P is working on this for 5 years. 6 years in October I believe. Y'all act like he's been working on this for 30+ years, 12 hours a day.

Breaking News: This project's development is in a downward spiral for MORE than 3 years now, and it continues to slow down.

That said, you are basically implying he's been burned out since the 2nd year of development? The current year is no different than the previous ones. It's constantly getting slower. Been that way 3 years ago, and it's still that way in the current year. I'm guessing we've now finally reached a point where no other excuses from the usual suspects make sense anymore? Is this supposed to be the last straw to justify everything?

I feel like some of y'all need daily reminders on some of L&P's statements. Just very recently he's said that he "already has plans to speed up development within the next 1-2 years.". Dejavu much? Not like he's been saying the same crap for many years now, right?

Burnout my ass. Lmao

I'd like to see the finish of this game, but at the same time I don't subscribe because I can't afford to, therefore the content is free to me. So it's the devs game and they can take as much time as they want and it's down to their subscribers whether they want to continue to subscribe or not.

 

[菊花献给党]

My beliefs on the "realism" aspect of this game is that this game has never actually been that realistic.

I think the slower pace of the updates skew what has and is actually happening in the game. People get hung up on what LP says about "realism" but somehow miss what the game itself has been saying.

Sophia, in the span of 13 days, which is not a long time. Has gone from a woman that didn't want to wear a bikini in front of her teenage kids (Sophia, by the way, was supposedly wild in her college days) to making out and being groped by her sons BFF.

Is that realistic? No, on both counts. Moms, especially fairly wealthy (implying they've had a pool before and/or take beach trips) and very attractive moms like Sophia, shouldn't feel any weirdness about wearing bikinis in front of their kids. Or weirdness about putting lotion on their daughter. Or weirdness about her son sitting on her lap.

Logically, she should've done those things multiple times before. There are many cases like this where Sophia does or doesn't do things that, logically, she shouldn't do or should've already done.

This game also isn't much of a "slowburn". I mean, sure, it's slow compared to other FMC games which are by and large walking-talking sex simulators but it's still, to me, not that slow. It just feels that way because of the update timeframes. As noted above, Sophia started out unrealistically conservative and prudish. Despite that having direct clashes with her backstory (wild college chick).

However, choosing to ignore the backstory issues and just going off how prudish she was at the start of the game, Sophia does something sexual almost everyday, and at least recently, in every event. From making out with her daughter, to bikini shows for her son and friend, to kissing her daughters friends, to helping 12 years olds put on condoms and letting them grope you to swapping spit with your neighbors son.

You don't go from being a prude to agreeing to that stuff in a matter of days. There are lots of sexual things besides sex, AWAM does this pretty well, much better than 99% of games, but that still doesn't mean it's slowburn.

Many people can't distinguish between game time and real time

 

[palmtrees89]

You can't keep a job for more than a month and you wanna give us lessons ?

Go try working that long on the same project and comeback and tell us how crazy we are.

He may be slow and have all the bad habits in the world. He still produced something you can't even dream of

What makes you think I couldn't keep a job for more than a month? Or that I'm unable to work on something for "that long"?

The fact that you think working a few years in the same field/job is something extraordinary is very telling and reminds me of a teenager if I'm being totally honest with you. You know this board is for adults, yes?

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

You can't keep a job for more than a month and you wanna give us lessons ?

Go try working that long on the same project and comeback and tell us how crazy we are.

He may be slow and have all the bad habits in the world. He still produced something you can't even dream of

 

[CSK92]

Not on Patreon. Did he ever say anything over on his base?

Yes. PMed him several times and actually had some back and forth, but once started asking for him (nicely) to get help to speed up his project. That stopped.

 

[CSK92]

Sofia needs Emma because of Dylan, not her own desires.

Sophia has many women.
Alicia, Natalie, Ellie, Vicky, Patricia...

Dylan has many women., too.
Amber, Emma, Marie, Christine, Patricia...

The developer said there will be a big event for Liam on the last day of the game.

Dylan's big event will also be on the last day of the game.

But I don't know if that last day will be NEVER years later.

FIFY

 

[CSK92]

One of his first goals on Patreon: drop off the college and hire a team. Never fulfilled. Lies upon lies. Zero understanding from me.

He should of finished his bachelors and masters degrees by now, unless he is going the way John Belushi's Animal House college map.

 

[ancienregimele]

My beliefs on the "realism" aspect of this game is that this game has never actually been that realistic.

I think the slower pace of the updates skew what has and is actually happening in the game. People get hung up on what LP says about "realism" but somehow miss what the game itself has been saying.

Sophia, in the span of 13 days, which is not a long time. Has gone from a woman that didn't want to wear a bikini in front of her teenage kids (Sophia, by the way, was supposedly wild in her college days) to making out and being groped by her sons BFF.

Is that realistic? No, on both counts. Moms, especially fairly wealthy (implying they've had a pool before and/or take beach trips) and very attractive moms like Sophia, shouldn't feel any weirdness about wearing bikinis in front of their kids. Or weirdness about putting lotion on their daughter. Or weirdness about her son sitting on her lap.

Logically, she should've done those things multiple times before. There are many cases like this where Sophia does or doesn't do things that, logically, she shouldn't do or should've already done.

This game also isn't much of a "slowburn". I mean, sure, it's slow compared to other FMC games which are by and large walking-talking sex simulators but it's still, to me, not that slow. It just feels that way because of the update timeframes. As noted above, Sophia started out unrealistically conservative and prudish. Despite that having direct clashes with her backstory (wild college chick).

However, choosing to ignore the backstory issues and just going off how prudish she was at the start of the game, Sophia does something sexual almost everyday, and at least recently, in every event. From making out with her daughter, to bikini shows for her son and friend, to kissing her daughters friends, to helping 12 years olds put on condoms and letting them grope you to swapping spit with your neighbors son.

You don't go from being a prude to agreeing to that stuff in a matter of days. There are lots of sexual things besides sex, AWAM does this pretty well, much better than 99% of games, but that still doesn't mean it's slowburn.

Realism was always relative. If we wanted RL realism it might take an individual anything up to 10 years to step outside a relatively stable 20 year marriage & home life, as a result of slow burn corruption. Now AWAM is due to take over another 30 years, wait, what do you know, the Dev could have gone down this route after all. It could all have happened in real time.

I prefer to think of the original few years of AWAM as an erotic fiction with a veneer of realism. It was great. Your point about how fast Sophia has, in her reality, been corrupted has been noted on a number of occasions but that is if San Alejo time is being considered. L&P started off with a prudish, almost nun-like Sophia, which in the desire to show how far she would be corrupted, was far too exaggerated. If she'd been just like an ordinary person in her attitudes, that would have sufficed.

Nobody, (well almost nobody), doubts the quality of the renders. I used to think that when the Dev was on form the writing was also good. On his best days certainly.

Sadly, as far as the slow burn goes, it has changed conceptually & we now have several disparate stories under the same banner, akin to some bad '70s teen porn movie but in slow motion. Who will be first? Does anybody care that much anymore? So, with the realism gone & the logic on hold, the development down to the pace of a geriatric snail & the Dev so exhausted that he needs 2 weeks off after every single event. What's next for AWAM?

 

[rAmSiMaL]

So:

1. Any reason why this update took almost 3 months to make?

2. Any reason why the work on the new update is not started after two weeks of 0% ?

3. Any reason to believe, after adding 2 more circles, that after all 6 are at 100% we will add 3 more so we can have Dante's wet dream? And rename them to: Limbo, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Heresy, Violence, Fraud, Treachery so it would actually be fun following their progression?

Just saying

1. Christmas
2. Winter school holidays in Europe
3. Because having 1.9k patreons offering you an average of 10 euros each you don’t need another job…

Btw somewhere in 2019 he was complaining that people are demanding him to get faster and he said that he is going to finish the game in 3-5 years from then… if this is still valid he is going to finish in 2 years from now (I know… just wishful thinking … I would be happy if he finishes it by 2029… yes, still wishful thinking…)

 

[Alley_Cat]

1. Christmas
2. Winter school holidays in Europe
3. Because having 1.9k patreons offering you an average of 10 euros each you don’t need another job…

Btw somewhere in 2019 he was complaining that people are demanding him to get faster and he said that he is going to finish the game in 3-5 years from then… if this is still valid he is going to finish in 2 years from now (I know… just wishful thinking … I would be happy if he finishes it by 2029… yes, still wishful thinking…)

To finish within 5 years, he'd need to be completing a PD every .3 of a year, so every 4 months. Can anyone honestly claim he's even trying to be close to even looking at that, let alone achieving it?

We're lucky if we get a single Dylan update within 4 months, let alone an entire PD. And we have to endure the next four updates, entirely focused on Dylan.

 

[SubtleHustle]

i wonder how long it take to fill the animation bar...

My animation bar hasn't been filled with this game yet.

 

[abram1]

1. Christmas
2. Winter school holidays in Europe
3. Because having 1.9k patreons offering you an average of 10 euros each you don’t need another job…

Btw somewhere in 2019 he was complaining that people are demanding him to get faster and he said that he is going to finish the game in 3-5 years from then… if this is still valid he is going to finish in 2 years from now (I know… just wishful thinking … I would be happy if he finishes it by 2029… yes, still wishful thinking…)

Lil' did he know at that time, that his VN becomes one of the most popular ever. When random people literally throw cash at you, begging to continue, you don't reject such opportunity.

AWAM, simply put, has turned out too big to handle. Either some storylines needs to chopped off mercilessly, the focus on image quality could've been reduced, animations laid back till actual in-and-out scenes or the amount of renders for the event cut to 250 tops no matter what. He's like a dog, chasing down a driving vehicle. Can't restrain itself, has to go after it, just like that.
This guy wanna do most parts by himself. If it takes two decades, so what, folks gonna pay up in any case, they are hooked to the story. Sort of a downward/upward spiral depending on a point of view. Is it a scam, like others openly proclaim? Absolutely ... not. L&P doesn't really give a damn, especially about opinion of non-payers. Back in 2017-2018 he had to be more humble, interacting with potential customers, responding to unpleasant criticism. Once gaining his core paying audience he answers to them, which is totally fair. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

It's not the Sophia/Dylan or Sophia/Ellie content I'm criticising. It's the Dylan/... events that have nothing to do with Sophia. Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Amber and the bonus storyline have little to nothing to do with Sophia - the wife and mother.

How dare you? What can be as awesome as banging your hot mom? Banging your friend's mommy! Sophia/Dylan; Dylan/Amber; Sophia/Sam; Sophia/Zack - that's a multifaceted dice with Sophia/Ellie and Sophia/Jules on the sides. It has mother and wife as an option in any case.
Side stories aren't the problem, their amount and dubious storytelling is. Shifting the focus on Dylan is logical, as he's been staying way behind in comparison to Ellie and Sam. Making him a semi-MC wasn't the brightest idea, though. Why treat him that differently, Ellie is almost as popular as Dylan in the polls, yet we've never seen events from her POV. Guess, the priority now is face-lifting first PD's. Hopefully, we'll see one day PD's turning into DP's, I'm counting that Dylan and Sammy-boy won't disappoint.