VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

Poll Update.

Spoiler: Poll (Current) - 3.6.2023

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Let's take a look at how foolish the developer is behaving and how they're making fun of the consumer.

Although Sam's story is in the spotlight, the consumers still want to see more of Sophia and Dylan's events.

Ava's children are ranked higher than Alicia, Claire, and Natalie.

Even the unnamed thugs outnumber Claire, Vicky, Marie, and Julia.

The money is being paid by men but the developer is making scenes for women.

The porn content that men desire is always the same.

I once suspected that the developer was a woman.

Let's get back on track and pick up the pace.

Also, if you believe that people voted for Dylan's exclusive storyline, then you should interpret the other votes the same way.

However, that doesn't make sense.

And if players only want to see Dylan's exclusive story, that means the developer made the game incorrectly.

 

[Talcum Powder]

(emphasis added)

I have mentioned it before, nothing is as nonsensical as the requirement to tell a story only from Sophia PoV. Why replace all the exciting events with boring discussions and inner dialogues when you can actually show them. Sorry, but I think here the idea to cut AWAM goes too far. Especially when you consider that there is so much unnecessary content in the game, with characters that really only Sophia knows and therefore have no effect on the main story.

You've exposed yourself as someone who doesn't really understand the discussion. And I mean that sincerely. In the context of AWAM, how can any content happening in Sophia's perspective not be part of the main story?

It is just the opposite: direct interaction with Sophia should be the only focus - everything from the wife and mother's perspective IS the main story, and anything that happens outside of her point of view should be something she discovers through any number of story telling techniques, conversation being just one option.

One example is Sam by the pool, telling Sophia about his dream. We didn't need a scene of Sam brushing his teeth and getting ready for bed, saying goodnight to his parents, kneeling by his bed and saying his prayers before rubbing one out to thoughts of Sophia in a sheer night gown. We got the eroticism and we learned the extent to which Sam is lusting after Sophia while maintaining our main character perspective.

Another example I have used in the past: Dylan and Emma are dating, Sophia need only see them in the back yard being affectionate, or they walk through the livingroom while she's relaxing and Dylan says something stupid, like "Oh, hey mom, we're going up to my room to study" and Sophia thinks to herself "I hope he knows how to use a condom". We don't need to see anything more than that.

As has been suggested before by other great luminaries of this thread, if he needs non-incest Dylan content to keep up the DoL facade, then hand that off to another developer - provide them with assets but maybe not the AWAM version of Dylan, give them the hulking 24-year-old version.

 

[XaGnard]

You've exposed yourself as someone who doesn't really understand the discussion. And I mean that sincerely. In the context of AWAM, how can any content happening in Sophia's perspective not be part of the main story?

The whole thing is quite simple. The game is called "A Wife and Mother". Even the first scene of the game starts with Sophia in her role as wife and mother (in the event on the plane). Quickly followed by the scene in the car where Dylan and Ellie's relationship is introduced, again with Sophia in her role as the mother. Contrary to what some here are trying to suggest, Dylan and Ellie are part of the main story. It's not just about Sophia. It is about Sophia as "A Wife and Mother".

One example is Sam by the pool, telling Sophia about his dream. We didn't need a scene of Sam brushing his teeth and getting ready for bed, saying goodnight to his parents, kneeling by his bed and saying his prayers before rubbing one out to thoughts of Sophia in a sheer night gown. We got the eroticism and we learned the extent to which Sam is lusting after Sophia while maintaining our main character perspective.

Sam is important for the story because he is Dylan's competitor, so to speak. Starting with the basketball game, continuing with the video game, etc, etc. It's Dylan/Sophia/Sam/Amber interwoven in the main story. Think about it. In the scene between Sam and Sophia, it's also about who else is in the house and that maybe someone is watching them through the window. Currently it is Dylan with Amber and Sam with Sophia, but at some point one in this group will gain knowledge beyond his own actions. That's what made this events exciting and that is what create an intriguing story. At some point, you should understand that Sam's story is part of Dylan's story and therefore part in the Story about Sophia as mother.

As has been suggested before by other great luminaries of this thread, if he needs non-incest Dylan content to keep up the DoL facade, then hand that off to another developer - provide them with assets but maybe not the AWAM version of Dylan, give them the hulking 24-year-old version.

If the whole thing were so simple, others would have already done it. However, it is quite obvious that although there are a lot of games on F95, only a fraction of them are really good. As I said, I think L&P still makes a lot of mistakes, but at the same time he is also better in many ways than some other developers here.

 

[jamdan]

To reframe the "main story" stuff. The main story in this game is Sophia's corruption. There is no overarching plot.

To me, the main characters should be: Sophia (MC), Dylan, Ellie and Liam. These are the core characters of Sophia's life and should get most of the games content. Ellie and Dylan should get roughly the same amount of content. And Liam follows in distant 4th place for GW content every so often. After them (and before Liam, probably), you can have Sam and Aiden's blackmail to round out the main cast.

On Ellie/Dylan specifically, people complain (and understandability) that Dylan is the 2nd MC. But Ellie is too. She has routes and LI's like Dylan does. Just because LP doesn't say she is an MC too, doesn't make it so. As we know, what LP says and doesn't say sometimes aren't reliable.

And this is where LP bit off too much. Neither of them should have their own LI's, or at least no complicated branches for them. Same goes for all the other characters. Ellie has a BF, things with Jules (the girl she kissed?). Dylan has Emma and the girl from the last update (I already forgot her name?). That's too much going on. At best, they get 1 of their own LI's if they aren't with Sophia. Not 2-3.

I've never bought into the idea LP "milks" or doesn't work hard. You don't make a higher quality game and release it on a regular basis and not work hard. If anything, he makes his job harder than it should be because he keeps adding more stuff to do and keep track of. LP has continually added too many characters and too many routes.

By the looks of things, Mr.Harris may be the latest addition. Remember, this event is meant to be about Sophia & Dylan. Mr.Harris should've been used as a convenient way to occupy Liam. Not a mechanism for Sophia to collect more Filthy Points or start a new mini-route.

 

[Bishop Robert]

End of the day (I don't by any means mean to beat a dead horse here) any complaining about other characters beside Sophia getting a POV wouldn't be a thing if the development speed was much quicker.

I don't exactly mind if we were to get an update where we witness Dylan banging Marie or Ellie eating out Little Julie, I'm on the side that's for those events but totally understand any frustration towards those because it gets in the way of Sophias development in corruption.

 

[tofhdns]

Dylan's problem is that it delays Sophia's story.

I think six years has waited long enough.

 

[Blurpee69]

The whole thing is quite simple. The game is called "A Wife and Mother". Even the first scene of the game starts with Sophia in her role as wife and mother (in the event on the plane). Quickly followed by the scene in the car where Dylan and Ellie's relationship is introduced, again with Sophia in her role as the mother. Contrary to what some here are trying to suggest, Dylan and Ellie are part of the main story. It's not just about Sophia. It is about Sophia as "A Wife and Mother".

This paragraph right here. Everyone: me, Alley_Cat, Jamdan, Talcum Powder, and others; that is the discussion that we've been having, and we're seemingly all in agreement that taking focus away from Sophia and switching to other characters is taking away from Sophia's story as "A Wife and Mother"

Jamdan is right, the nucleus of the story should be Sophia and any adventure that she undertakes, her influence on Ellie / Dylan, and then Liam. Although I would argue Patricia should also be tied with Liam, and perhaps in some cases come before Liam. Simply because as they're written now, Patricia has more influence on Sophia's growth than Liam does.

 

[karleston]

At the end of the day, everybody has his own favorite characters. The mistake this dev made and keeps making is trying to please everyone. By giving a non negligeable part of the story to secondary characters. And that's why people are waiting over 2 years to get an update.

AWAM should focus on the main family nucleus. And if he wants to give screen time to other non important characters. He should make another game after he finishes this one. That will be a continuation of this one. Kind of like breaking bad and better caul saul.

 

[Shalamar94]

Actually I have considered that possibility. I've also considered the possibility that Dylan is so heavily focused on is due to "Dylan Day".

Sure its not a lesbian focused game I just find it weird that so much focus is being put onto a side character(even when it makes no sense) to the determent of Sophia's development.

I'm not tortured by him as a character I just find him annoying and I return here because I just find the conversations interesting.

And honestly I don't care what that sham has to say.

You need psychological help if "Dylan" (a non existent character) makes you suffer so much, nevermind finding another game.

 

[GokutheG]

You need psychological help if "Dylan" (a non existent character) makes you suffer so much, nevermind finding another game.

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't need psychological help for finding a fictional character annoying. Do Dylan fans think everyone needs to enjoy his character or something?

 

[Alley_Cat]

U forgot Mr Bennett BTW

No, he didn't. Bennett isn't in the poll because he's not important enough for it. Like Neil, Tyler, the museum boys etc.

To reframe the "main story" stuff. The main story in this game is Sophia's corruption. There is no overarching plot.

To me, the main characters should be: Sophia (MC), Dylan, Ellie and Liam. These are the core characters of Sophia's life and should get most of the games content. Ellie and Dylan should get roughly the same amount of content. And Liam follows in distant 4th place for GW content every so often. After them (and before Liam, probably), you can have Sam and Aiden's blackmail to round out the main cast.

On Ellie/Dylan specifically, people complain (and understandability) that Dylan is the 2nd MC. But Ellie is too. She has routes and LI's like Dylan does. Just because LP doesn't say she is an MC too, doesn't make it so. As we know, what LP says and doesn't say sometimes aren't reliable.

And this is where LP bit off too much. Neither of them should have their own LI's, or at least no complicated branches for them. Same goes for all the other characters. Ellie has a BF, things with Jules (the girl she kissed?). Dylan has Emma and the girl from the last update (I already forgot her name?). That's too much going on. At best, they get 1 of their own LI's if they aren't with Sophia. Not 2-3.

I've never bought into the idea LP "milks" or doesn't work hard. You don't make a higher quality game and release it on a regular basis and not work hard. If anything, he makes his job harder than it should be because he keeps adding more stuff to do and keep track of. LP has continually added too many characters and too many routes.

By the looks of things, Mr.Harris may be the latest addition. Remember, this event is meant to be about Sophia & Dylan. Mr.Harris should've been used as a convenient way to occupy Liam. Not a mechanism for Sophia to collect more Filthy Points or start a new mini-route.

The difference between Dylan and Ellie is that Dylan has LIs and routes in his own right. Ellie doesn't.

Dylan's routes with Amber and Emma (ones I assert should be moved to DLC or whatever) have nothing to do with Sophia. Ellie's LIs like Jules include Sophia. The last event with Jules increased Sophia's Lesbian Temptation points.

EDIT:
The other of Ellie's LIs (Sam) even just had his own event with Sophia recently.

 

[Cesar43]

Sexo en la actualización

 

[tofhdns]

No, he didn't. Bennett isn't in the poll because he's not important enough for it. Like Neil, Tyler, the museum boys etc.

Bennett blackmailed Sophia based on Dylan's exam and demanded sex.

He has to meet Sophia at least once in the story and is working at the same school, so it is problematic to disappear from the vote list.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Bennett blackmailed Sophia based on Dylan's exam and demanded sex.

He has to meet Sophia at least once in the story and is working at the same school, so it is problematic to disappear from the vote list.

Bennett will be back a few times before then from what I hear. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be on the list, only repeating what L&P has said as to why Bennett isn't there.

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely. Sophia already has enough power to not accept it.

 

[tofhdns]

Bennett will be back a few times before then from what I hear. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be on the list, only repeating what L&P has said as to why Bennett isn't there.

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely. Sophia already has enough power to not accept it.

The only way to get rid of Bennett would be to ask Don Morello.

And Sophia needs to see Bennett. Even if it's to say no.

I didn't know what L&P said.

Thank you

 

[Description]

Record 2 versions of "small chapter" after half a year

 

[rAmSiMaL]

AWAM is an adult game. Moves around the life of a wife & a mother. The goal of the game is to have the MC sexually aroused / erotically attracted to other people. If someone likes incest they follow the path where she is attracted to her family members (i.e. son, daughter, sister). If someone likes her to be a good wife, then they develop her relationship with her husband (kinky, prudent etc). If someone likes her to become an adulteress follows the path of corruption from people outside of her family. Everything happens under the MC’s POV. Anything else changes the concept of the game. I don’t dislike any of the characters perse. I don’t want their POV. It’s not why I’m following the game. IMHO all paths are interesting (from Sophia’s POV always). The game is beautiful but has too many paths open and at this pace is realistically impossible to conclude… 1 PD takes 2 years to complete means that it requires 34 years to complete the 17 remaining PDs… Is this LP’s full time job till retirement???

 

[Alley_Cat]

The only way to get rid of Bennett would be to ask Don Morello.

And Sophia needs to see Bennett. Even if it's to say no.

I didn't know what L&P said.

Thank you

Incorrect. Sophia has already spoken to Mrs Torres at the school, confirming that Dylan should have at least passed the test. Sophia can now go to the school board to get the grade changed.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

For all we know, L&P might have cancelled Bennett's blackmail completely.

LP could develop more this blackmail and bring it to conclusion at some point (i.e. Sophia having sex with him). It’s a nice fantasy and LP can develop the story beautifully… it’s a pity LP focuses exclusively on Dylan so much so he develops events from his POV…

 

[Alley_Cat]

LP could develop more this blackmail and bring it to conclusion at some point (i.e. Sophia having sex with him). It’s a nice fantasy and LP can develop the story beautifully… it’s a pity LP focuses exclusively on Dylan so much so he develops events from his POV…

Both blackmails should have been developed more. Aiden's too. I refuse both, and have yet to face any adverse storyline. I'm still happily playing all the events I want.

But then I'm of the opinion there shouldn't have been a choice between Morello and Aiden. Do away with the Morello storyline altogether, so that the only way to continue the Dylan route is to continue the tasks. Either that, or be able to play the Dylan route and not do the tasks at all.