VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[Turret]

But the story being told is she didn't have a modeling career, only offers. So how did he know to search the "Deep Dark Web." I do not doubt that you can look up someone's modeling career, but in this case, Dylan had no experience with models, only a keen eye like Liam, yet he knew she had a background because of her poses and one amateur shoot with her.

Exactly, here is a logic bug, as I hinted at in my post. If Sophia had enough experience to show at a single bikini shot, she must have modelled quite a lot earlier.
Since we are told in game she had not a model career, just a couple shots, no one, neither Dylan nor (the late) Karl Lagerfeld could see experience Sophia did not have.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Exactly, here is a logic bug, as I hinted at in my post. If Sophia had enough experience to show at a single bikini shot, she must have modelled quite a lot earlier.
Since we are told in game she had not a model career, just a couple shots, no one, neither Dylan nor (the late) Karl Lagerfeld could see experience Sophia did not have.

I don't know where he is going with this story. If it turns out that she has more modeling shoots than this one, then he just added another lie to the barrier on top of the Liam lie. Honestly, I don't even know why this modeling shoot was included. The only thing it was used for was to touch her breast. But now that Dylan knows Liam took the photos, Does that open up the option for nipple sucking or fingering now in Part II? This means you don't need "Sex-Ed" anymore because now it is "deception."

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

no sex, no oral, no handjob, no footjob.

The lines are childish, the settings are broken, the immersion is broken, and the animation quality is also bad.

It's not good.

I agree that animations were poor - especially considered the hype around them and how long it took to create. Also, compared to progress made by other creators, even Mr. Dots.

 

[Turret]

I don't know where he is going with this story. If it turns out that she has more modeling shoots than this one, then he just added another lie to the barrier on top of the Liam lie.

Neither do I. The Liam lie already was as necessary as a bout of plague or Cholera and putting another possible lie on top of it is practically senseless. It just let´s the story derail - again!

 

[tofhdns]

Whatever, that is what the average mom+corruption+incest is attracting. But in the middle of this shit, AWAM was different (Vaulihorn started different also but it just turned onto non-sense saussage fest 2.0). It was the oasis in the desert. It was the light shining through the clouds. That is why it somehow hurts when it turns into shity writing and a rush into hotdog fest 3.0.

I can't agree with this sentence.

Rather, AWAM was like a children's prank.

LP placed sex at the end and that means LP has a fantasy about sex or believes that sex is at the end of every relationship.

So I suspected LP had no sex experience or no dating experience.

He established their relationship by directing Dylan and Ellie's bickering in the car, but later Ellie suddenly tolerated Dylan's pervert gaze.

He had Dylan look at Sofia's breast in the dressing room, but she hid it again in the bikini scene and revealed it again in the bathtub scene.

Sofia allowed Dylan to see her as a woman in the car, but she had amnesia and came out of the bathtub and repeated it again.

LP is as young as his age and no more experienced than his age.

There's so much he doesn't know.

 

[palmtrees89]

That is the thing I don't know how it plays into how she advances with Dylan in their arc. The "Sex-Ed" theme is used to promote their arc, but most of it doesn't make any sense. If she was born into an incestuous family, then why did she make that comment on the couch? Plus if she was acting, the way the story started from the beginning doesn't make sense at all.

Realistically speaking, How did Dylan determine that Sophia had a modeling background after one photoshoot with him in the backyard during the bikini event that prompted Dylan to look her up on the internet and explore the "Deep Dark Web" about her past?

Towards the end of PD12, the voices who asked for more sexual content had become increasingly louder, to a point where L&P said that part02 is getting hotter, posting his "sex with important characters" schedule and so on. I think that's about it.

The story is not fully written or planned out, because if that was the case we would not be seeing the absolute garbage story that's unfolding in part02 so far. PD13 has been nothing but sexual encounter after sexual encounter with every single update. With plot holes, with nonsense dialogue, completely disjointed events and a Sophia who behaves like an absolute idiot. She's done it before with the introduction of the 2nd sidejob for example, but it's ramping like crazy.

He's catering to his supporters, but in the typical L&P fashion. Enough so people keep paying, but not too much either so to satisfy their cravings fully, possibly resulting in many dropping the game because it's moving in less than slow-motion. In a way, L&P is a drug dealer of VN's.

The current poll shows clearly what kind of audience this project attracts mostly, and L&P is once again catering to those results. All the top voted characters are either children or teenagers. That speaks for itself if you ask me. Just looking at the current update for example, L&P purposefully left Dylan's age out unanswered with this absolute ridiculous "I'm turning 1X" line. This is not loli or shota, it's straight up content involving children. That's the kind of people L&P caters to. That, in my opinion, goes way beyond a fetish at this point.

When ~2 years ago the players still had the option to opt-out of such content because other routes would still get something to play around with, now there is simply nothing. You can obviously still do it, but then what are the players left with? Many people here are getting roughly 2mins of gameplay for the entirety of PD13 because there's nothing but children involved.

 

[Sturbuck]

Congrats to Dev..did a great job this time..keep up with it..

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

This is a very interesting conversation!

I agree that looking at sex as the end game of a relationship with a woman is very unexperienced / incel / porn adicted mindset. Sex is part of the journey with a woman, and not the final part of it, its rather almost through the whole travel.

This is real in the "lifetime span" for wife/husband, and also true in the "date span", sex is not the end game, is part of the travel, and it has before and after. It's a "child prank" and a reflection of the writter the fact that they see sex as the end game and then they don't know how to keep going on, and that is the main reason they don't know how to write "good wife" parts, because they don't know how to write good partner stories without stuffing all posible porn clichés. Again, average age 16.3, if not biological, it's their mature state in life.

But in the context of AWAM it's different, because you start with a conservative prudish housewife, and your objective is to corrupt her (it has other options but they are severely lacking content, I tried). So it's not a story about her sexual journey, it's about her corruption journey. Everything is about sex, except sex that is about power. People want to gain power over her through sex, and she looses power as she gives sex easier every act. Btw, that is another simp/incel tell from writters, as they empower a woman for giving free sex to characters (watching my wife for example they are clearly simping for her at least on the cheating part).

AVNs that understand sex is not the end game but the journey, giving the proper focus to the journey are hard to find in this genre, where everything is about recreating a brazzers scene with cheap graphics (and they are doing the same scenerios with the same bullet characters again and again).

That is why AWAM was special, it started as the leader, and it used to be different. It was AVNs hard mode, corrupting Sophia was hard and slow, everything was delayed gratification, it was special. Not anymore, Sophia is a confirmed fraud now, she is the average slut, playing the prude mommy, about to have a predictable burst of lust to recreate the exact same clichés. Nah, from special to average shit. I just want to fuck her hard, not sexually. I just want to drive her to the worse alleys, abuse her, and enjoy her downfall haha. She is a fraud now. She lied to us, she is not that prudish conservative, she was just conveniently posing.

Maybe, but we still won’t see her have sex without hubby (in the present time) for about 5 or more years

 

[tofhdns]

I want to explain why I want to say that this game is not special, it's unusual and it's low-level.

But in the context of AWAM it's different, because you start with a conservative prudish housewife, and your objective is to corrupt her (it has other options but they are severely lacking content, I tried). So it's not a story about her sexual journey, it's about her corruption journey.

I agree with this.

He would have liked to portray Sofia's slow corruption.

But this is grossly excessive if Sofia's six-year show of nakedness is all she is corrupt.

The reason is this, which you also agree with.

I agree that looking at sex as the end game of a relationship with a woman is very unexperienced / incel / porn adicted mindset. Sex is part of the journey with a woman, and not the final part of it, its rather almost through the whole travel.

This is real in the "lifetime span" for wife/husband, and also true in the "date span", sex is not the end game, is part of the travel, and it has before and after. It's a "child prank" and a reflection of the writter the fact that they see sex as the end game and then they don't know how to keep going on, and that is the main reason they don't know how to write "good wife" parts, because they don't know how to write good partner stories without stuffing all posible porn clichés.

To date, this game is just a bikini magazine that is published repeatedly every year.

Every year, only female models have changed in the same bikini swimsuit with the same background.

And it's like picking pretty pictures and forcing them to sew up a story that doesn't exist.

This is why I criticize LP.

 

[hzjujk]

This is a very interesting conversation!

I agree that looking at sex as the end game of a relationship with a woman is very unexperienced / incel / porn adicted mindset. Sex is part of the journey with a woman, and not the final part of it, its rather almost through the whole travel.

This is real in the "lifetime span" for wife/husband, and also true in the "date span", sex is not the end game, is part of the travel, and it has before and after. It's a "child prank" and a reflection of the writter the fact that they see sex as the end game and then they don't know how to keep going on, and that is the main reason they don't know how to write "good wife" parts, because they don't know how to write good partner stories without stuffing all posible porn clichés. Again, average age 16.3, if not biological, it's their mature state in life.

But in the context of AWAM it's different, because you start with a conservative prudish housewife, and your objective is to corrupt her (it has other options but they are severely lacking content, I tried). So it's not a story about her sexual journey, it's about her corruption journey. Everything is about sex, except sex that is about power. People want to gain power over her through sex, and she looses power as she gives sex easier every act. Btw, that is another simp/incel tell from writters, as they empower a woman for giving free sex to characters (watching my wife for example they are clearly simping for her at least on the cheating part).

AVNs that understand sex is not the end game but the journey, giving the proper focus to the journey are hard to find in this genre, where everything is about recreating a brazzers scene with cheap graphics (and they are doing the same scenerios with the same bullet characters again and again).

That is why AWAM was special, it started as the leader, and it used to be different. It was AVNs hard mode, corrupting Sophia was hard and slow, everything was delayed gratification, it was special. Not anymore, Sophia is a confirmed fraud now, she is the average slut, playing the prude mommy, about to have a predictable burst of lust to recreate the exact same clichés. Nah, from special to average shit. I just want to fuck her hard, not sexually. I just want to drive her to the worse alleys, abuse her, and enjoy her downfall haha. She is a fraud now. She lied to us, she is not that prudish conservative, she was just conveniently posing.

I agree with you Sex is just a journey that accompanies you throughout life. And that most developers don't know how to continue telling their story after the protogonists have had sex. I still have hope that some routes here are better.
But I have no idea what you expect from a VN that gives you the choice to set the path for the MC. They say Sophia is now just a scammer who deserved social downfall. But you are already aware that Sophia is only an avatar, it is yours!
If you don't just make decisions with your pleasure center, then your avatar won't match either.

 

[tofhdns]

I agree with you Sey is just a journey that accompanies you throughout life. And that most developers don't know how to continue telling their story after the protogonists have had sex. I still have hope that some routes here are better.
But I have no idea what you expect from a VN that gives you the choice to set the path for the MC. They say Sophia is now a cheater who deserved demise. But you are already aware that Sophia is only an avatar, namely yours!
If you don't just make decisions with your pleasure center, then your avatar won't match either.

It's because of Sofia's flashback to call her cheater.

The flashback was made by LP.

Also, as Luxu_Esp said, Good wife route is so poor.

And it doesn't make sense to accuse people who come to see porn of not choosing the Good Wife path.

 

[tofhdns]

And a few days ago, I saw someone who was swearing about sex in this forum but praising about sex in another game forum.

Don't do that.

 

[Brazzoth]

I can't agree with this sentence.

Rather, AWAM was like a children's prank.

LP placed sex at the end and that means LP has a fantasy about sex or believes that sex is at the end of every relationship.

So I suspected LP had no sex experience or no dating experience.

He established their relationship by directing Dylan and Ellie's bickering in the car, but later Ellie suddenly tolerated Dylan's pervert gaze.

He had Dylan look at Sofia's breast in the dressing room, but she hid it again in the bikini scene and revealed it again in the bathtub scene.

Sofia allowed Dylan to see her as a woman in the car, but she had amnesia and came out of the bathtub and repeated it again.

LP is as young as his age and no more experienced than his age.

There's so much he doesn't know.

1. He started developping the game around four teen and is now in his late teen years

2. He's not a he

But yeah, putting romance and made them make out before every potential sex partner is not the real world but the game is not it anyway.

 

[tofhdns]

1. He started developping the game around four teen and is now in his late teen years

2. He's not a he

But yeah, putting romance and made them make out before every potential sex partner is not the real world but the game is not it anyway.

 

[Deleted member 4420830]

I very much agree with you guys that LP's most fatal problem is that he is afraid to let players see real sex, and he thinks his game may fall into mediocrity and boredom after sex, which is the problem with most AVNs. So he's trying to find ways to delay the game.
Even though each incident is different, the core NSWF content has been going on for more than 2 years in the exposed chest. He should have let the boys touch her body and caress each other long ago. So far she hasn't touched a dick other than her husband's at all, but what the latest update shows is that she has moral issues that create a huge cut from her previous image, yet she has not had formal interactive sexual encounters with the characters in the story.

 

[Brazzoth]

I very much agree with you guys that LP's most fatal problem is that he is afraid to let players see real sex, and he thinks his game may fall into mediocrity and boredom after sex, which is the problem with most AVNs. So he's trying to find ways to delay the game.
Even though each incident is different, the core NSWF content has been going on for more than 2 years in the exposed chest. He should have let the boys touch her body and caress each other long ago. So far she hasn't touched a dick other than her husband's at all, but what the latest update shows is that she has moral issues that create a huge cut from her previous image, yet she has not had formal interactive sexual encounters with the characters in the story.

We all know that, but games that tend to fall into mediocrity are games that pull the easy sex card like in every 10 renders you got a sex scene which make it pointless.

There's a soft spot, the problem is that he should do that one update = one day instead of having a day that feel like one year
second he should forward with some character and not sticking to teasing with titties and also be coherent because she almost or kinda gave a HJ to Ava's wards to put it that way, for educational reason which is completely dumb even like since when taped nipple is not considered topless lol

That's what should be fixed, we should already have seen handjob or blowjob already but instead it's the same stuff on repeat...

 

[Deleted member 4420830]

We all know that, but games that tend to fall into mediocrity are games that pull the easy sex card like in every 10 renders you got a sex scene which make it pointless.

There's a soft spot, the problem is that he should do that one update = one day instead of having a day that feel like one year
second he should forward with some character and not sticking to teasing with titties and also be coherent because she almost or kinda gave a HJ to Ava's wards to put it that way, for educational reason which is completely dumb even like since when taped nipple is not considered topless lol

That's what should be fixed, we should already have seen handjob or blowjob already but instead it's the same stuff on repeat...

Those that handle it better are ORS, GGGB and BADIK in my opinion

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

We all know that, but games that tend to fall into mediocrity are games that pull the easy sex card like in every 10 renders you got a sex scene which make it pointless.

There's a soft spot, the problem is that he should do that one update = one day instead of having a day that feel like one year
second he should forward with some character and not sticking to teasing with titties and also be coherent because she almost or kinda gave a HJ to Ava's wards to put it that way, for educational reason which is completely dumb even like since when taped nipple is not considered topless lol

That's what should be fixed, we should already have seen handjob or blowjob already but instead it's the same stuff on repeat...

I know he acts like if we see Sophia having sex without hubby, it’s the end of the fucking game. he also forgets not everybody would even see her sex scene if they are on good wife path. He can still make it optional on the filthy wife path to let her have sex or don’t. It’s always up to the player since we control her choices anyway. This is why the fan art page was started so we can see all our Sophia fantasies come to life now and not have to wait 10-15 more years.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Congrats to Dev..did a great job this time..keep up with it..

If he only had done it in a timely manner...

 

[tofhdns]

I'm not in the drivers seat anymore, I'm a passenger.