armion82

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....and you've listed only a few! There are so many other threads, many of which have been discarded or left at the player's discretion to continue or follow an alternative route.

See how complicated and time consuming the story content becomes!

Still, my advice is to stick with it, the all round quality is pretty well unmatched elsewhere and the renders have massively improved from primitive beginnings. It just needs a LOT of patience!
Patience will help if we are talking for another 5 years.Sadly the case now is at least 15 years.
We need a time machine.
 

ancienregimele

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I'm pretty sure if the next task is on PD 16,it will be way more than 2 years.
After all,we still have 4/5 of PD 13 to be done.That alone will take 10 months in mega,ultra,super optimistic way.15 months sounds more reasonable,but even 20 months will be not a surprise.
Then PD 14-at least another 12-24 months.
PD 15-I surely don't expect 2 or 3 months,even for this day with only 2-3 events.
If such turns out to be the case, my pessimistic side could reasonably assume that task 4 is the last we''ll see. There's only one (near) certainty with AWAM, which is that it will always be at a slow pace. That, in itself, is not a sure indication of abandonment. I've played games where updates took a year to appear but the projects/stories weren't abandoned. [This happened where the Devs had full-time jobs etc. & of course RL took precedence]. Admittedly these stories were not as complex as AWAM.

I'm not aware of L&P's situation so will say no more on that topic. What concerns me is the apparent lack of any attempt to tackle the issue of the inescapable fact that we're looking at decades before AWAM can logically conclude. There has AFAIK never been even a hint that this is something the Dev wishes to address, unless the methods adopted to speed things up, which resulted in slowing them down, are to be counted. [Fairness demands that these be taken as well-intentioned failures].

It's a case of "it is what it is", "take it or leave it". So we pirates but of more relevance, the paying Patrons, take it. This being so I can only hope that the Dev makes some tough decisions & soon. There are several fans on this thread with project management experience. I can only really speak for myself but I'm guessing that free advice, (which can be taken or left), would be forthcoming from those who wish AWAM success, should L&P choose to ask for it.

This is not determined by a set of arrogant assumptions because individuals have different skill sets & one person can't excel at all those required to complete a complicated VN, if they're "going it alone". Better communication would be a good start, in order for fans to more fully appreciate the problems involved & to be able to come up with appropriate suggestions for creative solutions.
 

ancienregimele

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It's his game, i don't think anybody but him can decide the faith or the pace of it.

It's like going to see a soccer game and trying to decide the result or how it should be played. we are only supporters, not decision makers. If you don't like the way it is there are plenty other good games here that have even weekly updates. So you will have no time to be frustrated.

If i were him i will hit the brakes even more just to remind everyone who's in charge. haha
Well said? Just joined & you've already reached a conclusion about what's going on? Currently we're looking at 2 & 1/2 years for 1 playable day. I offer help voluntarily. You say what you said. He's been hitting the brakes for years. (He regularly conducts master classes). Now they're getting worn out. Maybe he'll replace them & stop altogether, which looks quite likely at present. It's his game. So what? It's in the public domain. We shouldn't criticise or offer advice, even after 5 years?

You're soccer analogy is good. I was a soccer, or football, (as the other 95% of playing nations call it), supporter for decades. I still follow it but on TV these days. I seem to remember that when the team was flagging, we would shout encouragement. When they played badly, we let them know, loudly & with many choice expressions. We also gave advice from the terraces, which the team could take or leave. Why? Because that's what the dedicated football (soccer) fan does.

As for other good games. I've played a lot of them. Now I don't.....just 1 or 2....my choice. AWAM is the only game to still get me to put fingers to keyboard to this extent, because I want to see it succeed. That's in the balance at present IMO. There's ways & means of assisting this if the Dev decided to avail himself of the same but if AWAM doesn't carry on, or slows down even more, I'll just do what we did at the end of a losing match & have a pint of beer....& no I won't be crying into it but it will still be a sad situation for the fans.
 
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ancienregimele

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I hope he will delay this upcoming update for months haha. So i can keep having fun reading these comments full of wisdom.

Do you feel in charge ? hahaaa
No, that's not possible in this situation but you can read the "comments full of wisdom" (your words) & you'll learn something. Don't worry about delays because they are absolutely guaranteed. You'll be happy here.
 

armion82

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If such turns out to be the case, my pessimistic side could reasonably assume that task 4 is the last we''ll see. There's only one (near) certainty with AWAM, which is that it will always be at a slow pace. That, in itself, is not a sure indication of abandonment. I've played games where updates took a year to appear but the projects/stories weren't abandoned. [This happened where the Devs had full-time jobs etc. & of course RL took precedence]. Admittedly these stories were not as complex as AWAM.

I'm not aware of L&P's situation so will say no more on that topic. What concerns me is the apparent lack of any attempt to tackle the issue of the inescapable fact that we're looking at decades before AWAM can logically conclude. There has AFAIK never been even a hint that this is something the Dev wishes to address, unless the methods adopted to speed things up, which resulted in slowing them down, are to be counted. [Fairness demands that these be taken as well-intentioned failures].

It's a case of "it is what it is", "take it or leave it". So we pirates but of more relevance, the paying Patrons, take it. This being so I can only hope that the Dev makes some tough decisions & soon. There are several fans on this thread with project management experience. I can only really speak for myself but I'm guessing that free advice, (which can be taken or left), would be forthcoming from those who wish AWAM success, should L&P choose to ask for it.

This is not determined by a set of arrogant assumptions because individuals have different skill sets & one person can't excel at all those required to complete a complicated VN, if they're "going it alone". Better communication would be a good start, in order for fans to more fully appreciate the problems involved & to be able to come up with appropriate suggestions for creative solutions.
The problem is that we have only 2-3 games that are still running for a 7+ years.
All other games from that time are abandoned or completed long time ago.
 

palmtrees89

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Agree.
Aiden thread is Sophia's motivator also L&P's trump card.
Morello drags this games down and just so passe' (outmoded/behind the times) Mafia gangland crap.
If L&P had made the Morello route more interesting, for example Sophia having a sidejob working in his Casino to pay off the debt (replacing the Meyers children crap for more actual adult content maybe), resulting in all kinds of spicy situations, then I'd totally abandon Aiden's kindergarden gang. But Morello has pretty much 0 content so far, so there's really no reason to go for that route as of now, imo.
 

Sadowdark

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If L&P had made the Morello route more interesting, for example Sophia having a sidejob working in his Casino to pay off the debt (replacing the Meyers children crap for more actual adult content maybe), resulting in all kinds of spicy situations, then I'd totally abandon Aiden's kindergarden gang. But Morello has pretty much 0 content so far, so there's really no reason to go for that route as of now, imo.
Sophia for helping with Aiden. He has to pay off his debt in the future. I teach Don Morell's children. Jenifer does not know that Don Morello is her uncle.
 

follardo

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The Aiden thread is a waste of time for me. The only outcome of that storyline is one that destroys Sophia as a character.

Concentrate on her friends and family - more than enough story there.
Sophia needs someone to help her with her corruption. Maybe so she can go one step further with her family and friends. At the end you will thank Aiden.
 
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If L&P had made the Morello route more interesting, for example Sophia having a sidejob working in his Casino to pay off the debt (replacing the Meyers children crap for more actual adult content maybe), resulting in all kinds of spicy situations, then I'd totally abandon Aiden's kindergarden gang. But Morello has pretty much 0 content so far, so there's really no reason to go for that route as of now, imo.
I agree, the kids route is quite creepy.
 

follardo

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Nope.

Sam and others are doing are fine job of that without turning Sophia into a mere sex object or helpless victim.
Yep

She needs to realize that she gets horny in front of some teenagers and her pussy gets wet with that. Last update she took another step with Zac thanks to Aiden. Any helps are welcome.
 
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