VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[PietruccioTheHilander]

And the same effort I will also put later into sex scenes for which I'm planning to hire some pro animator because learning and doing this section would be really over the top.

i suggest you to cooperate with stoper or mrjet, based on what i know they are very good with animations

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

But this is the biggest problem and is the root cause of the imbalance that I'm talking about. You need to have a plan, and you need to stick with it. We aren't talking about an update that was planned to have 400 renders, and ended up with 450; we're talking about an update that was planned for roughly (I think) 400 renders but will grow to almost 650. That's roughly 60% larger than you were originally planning. That's a big deal.

I've never made a game, so I try not to be too critical, but after five years of producing AWAM, I think you need to get a better sense of how large your updates will be. Again, it's one thing to go slightly over, but you've produced hundreds of extra images for this update. That's crazy. At some point, you just gotta say enough is enough, and wrap up the scene. These renders take you a long time, and if you aren't willing to cut the quality (personally, I felt that the 720p visuals were excellent and we didn't need 1080) then you should consider doing fewer renders.

This is a basic project management skill. It's hard, but it's a very important one. All of us have limited resources (time, money, technology, etc) and we have to balance them. Do you have a good idea of how many renders you can produce in a day/week/month? You need to start somewhere so that you balance your time and efforts because "small updates" should never turn into a "larger one". Something has to get cut, or something has to be limited, there needs to be compromise.

I read around or on discord that other developers have the same problem, only when you start working on a scene you know what you are talking about; even stoper always increases the renders compared to those planned.
you have to be a good scriptwriter to be able to plan the exact number in advance

 

[FdjsEre]

DPC

What an idiotic post.

How dare people try to find solutions for issues that

BADICK have more patrones because is male protagonist game.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

DPC
BADICK have more patrones because is male protagonist game.

badik was also released before AWAM (at least I think) so some supporters started supporting it first and then forgot about their subscription; I think it happens often otherwise I don't lose heart as icstor still has those supporters (some may be dead but their credit card keeps running)

 

[Alley_Cat]

Is it just me, or is there still no actual information from L&P about the update for us to get excited about? I mean there was a lot about how hard he works, but I don't think that was ever in question. How efficiently he works perhaps is, but not how hard.

I mean, the Bridal event is taking 90 renders, but is the event GW or Filthy? Lesbian or straight? Is the reason the 2nd side job event is taking as much as around half the last update because this is the "freaking hot" event we were promised? Are we going to meet Leah? Are we going to find out why Ava is such a religious nutjob? We still don't know if Aiden's 3rd task is going to be completed over the phone or some other location.

I have no doubt that if L&P wasn't so secretive about what he is planning, there wouldn't be any interest in making wild speculations that tends to happen in this thread, that he feels the need to squash like in posts he made earlier. Or that the game wouldn't arrive here shortly after the top-tier release. One of the games I actually now support on Patreon I do precisely because the dev is far more communicative. Hell, he even tells me what assets he uses in the game if I ask. And because of that he has my loyalty, so that if he posts something on Patreon, I wont post it here. He's on here often enough that he could post it here if he pleased anyway.

And with shorter update releases, we wouldn't get as bored as we do, further reducing the desire to speculate.

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

d) Sophia make love with her daughter

D

 

[Bane71]

Is it just me, or is there still no actual information from L&P about the update for us to get excited about? I mean there was a lot about how hard he works, but I don't think that was ever in question. How efficiently he works perhaps is, but not how hard.

I mean, the Bridal event is taking 90 renders, but is the event GW or Filthy? Lesbian or straight? Is the reason the 2nd side job event is taking as much as around half the last update because this is the "freaking hot" event we were promised? Are we going to meet Leah? Are we going to find out why Ava is such a religious nutjob? We still don't know if Aiden's 3rd task is going to be completed over the phone or some other location.

I have no doubt that if L&P wasn't so secretive about what he is planning, there wouldn't be any interest in making wild speculations that tends to happen in this thread, that he feels the need to squash like in posts he made earlier. Or that the game wouldn't arrive here shortly after the top-tier release. One of the games I actually now support on Patreon I do precisely because the dev is far more communicative. Hell, he even tells me what assets he uses in the game if I ask. And because of that he has my loyalty, so that if he posts something on Patreon, I wont post it here. He's on here often enough that he could post it here if he pleased anyway.

And with shorter update releases, we wouldn't get as bored as we do, further reducing the desire to speculate.

He wrote this today:-"Anyway, I just started with the "Aiden event" and there will be a new nice teaser very soon."

 

[nexer]

The only way to create a fixed number of renders is to sketch out in advance all the scenes with dialogue included. Even if you're not a good draftsman, something stylized with exact points, characters in the scene, camera position and dialogue between them is a must.
As the workflow is different, you get carried away and add details that seem important to you at the time.
My opinion is to start with sketches of the scenes first and once finished, DAZ and render without mercy.

So, he doesn't need a DAZ-pro, which is harder to find, but a draftsman/writer, who can work on a touch tablet doing sketches. Without sharing files, settings and all sorts of data. The collaborator only knows data about the upcoming update, even less, you can separate everything by scenes.

 

[Alley_Cat]

He wrote this today:-"Anyway, I just started with the "Aiden event" and there will be a new nice teaser very soon."

And ... ? Aiden hasn't even got Sophia to go pantiless. Even Bennett has got further, and we've gone on ad naseum how insignificant he is. As I've said before, compared to the Ellie route, that's several steps backwards. Unless Aiden can all of a sudden convince Sophia to go naked, I really see no point at all in Aiden's tasks.

Let me put it this way. If we refuse Aiden's tasks, Ellie gets naked more often. As soon as Dylan is at boarding school, which is where we are at the moment. So that is where Aiden's tasks need to be at in order for me to care about his tasks in the slightest. Of which there is no chance of happening. So why should I care about Aiden's tasks, when refusing them I get more naked Ellie?

 

[Taker Fan]

Update 0.130

(Noon)

1) Nursing home (1st side job) OR home schooling (2nd side job)

2) Aiden's 3rd task (parallelly another surprise event)

3) Emma/Dylan OR Sophia/Dylan


+ unexpected Bonus Bridal event
I guess it is to introduce bachelor/ette party down the line.

What are the other Events? Please a reminder for me. I had a long pause.

 

[nexer]

And ... ? Aiden hasn't even got Sophia to go pantiless.

How do you know? You peek at other people's path

 

[Bane71]

And ... ? Aiden hasn't even got Sophia to go pantiless. Even Bennett has got further, and we've gone on ad naseum how insignificant he is. As I've said before, compared to the Ellie route, that's several steps backwards. Unless Aiden can all of a sudden convince Sophia to go naked, I really see no point at all in Aiden's tasks.

Let me put it this way. If we refuse Aiden's tasks, Ellie gets naked more often. As soon as Dylan is at boarding school, which is where we are at the moment. So that is where Aiden's tasks need to be at in order for me to care about his tasks in the slightest. Of which there is no chance of happening. So why should I care about Aiden's tasks, when refusing them I get more naked Ellie?

You don't owe anything. But L&P doesn't owe anything either, it just informs us about the progress of work.

 

[Alley_Cat]

How do you know? You peek at other people's path

Obviously. You know full well I delve into the code. As I've said, I see no reason to do otherwise until their routes reach parity with what I play. Which is the Ellie/Patricia route.

 

[Okabe19]

Only thing which i dont like about this type of games are incest stuff, i love incest games as well as long as its not blood related. I'm fine with stepmom-stepson, with friend's mom or Aunt i'm fine with it but brother-sister just makes me puke and it doesnt matter even if they're step siblings i just cant get into it.

 

[Cold brew]

And ... ? Aiden hasn't even got Sophia to go pantiless. Even Bennett has got further, and we've gone on ad naseum how insignificant he is. As I've said before, compared to the Ellie route, that's several steps backwards. Unless Aiden can all of a sudden convince Sophia to go naked, I really see no point at all in Aiden's tasks.

Let me put it this way. If we refuse Aiden's tasks, Ellie gets naked more often. As soon as Dylan is at boarding school, which is where we are at the moment. So that is where Aiden's tasks need to be at in order for me to care about his tasks in the slightest. Of which there is no chance of happening. So why should I care about Aiden's tasks, when refusing them I get more naked Ellie?

Genius. I think I like Aiden even less now.

 

[ancienregimele]

Patrons are a unique bunch. They can be fickle as hell, but every once in a while they can coalesce into a unbreakable community. GumDrop Games LITERALLY did not release a new update for his game for something like three years, and his patron numbers held steady. L&P absolutely has a dedicated core that won't push back on him unless things become extreme. What happens if this update slips to June? I know he said "mid-May at the latest" today, but I think we are right to be suspicious of anything he says. So what happens if it slips to June? Does this end up being the only update this year? If L&P learns that he can put out one update a year and keep his core Patrons together, why wouldn't that become the norm? From my chair, three updates in a year suddenly feels very naive.

If we're talking about a single update for 2021, the fear I have is that L&P is simply losing interest. There's a lot of reasons why he may be losing interest, but putting out even TWO updates in a year raises questions about someone's motivation. If we get down to just a single update in a year, I don't know how we don't start hitting the panic button that the game's development is grinding to a halt.

But, even if that does happen, it'll take years without a new release for this game to officially catch the Abandoned tag.

I think you're right about the Patrons of Patreon. It could be difficult for even well-meaning critics to speak out & even more so to try & form a concerted bloc to push back, against what has become the new normal for AWAM. There's also the inability to cut financial losses & invest elsewhere, because hope triumphs over the reality & it also involves a degree of admitting a misjudgement.

There must be many dismayed by the way things are but they'll keep on subscribing. It probably is past time for an editor & it occurred to me after I'd posted about this that it could even cause further delays, with the potential for editorial disputes. I'm at a loss for suggestions on what could be done & can only think of that useful American phrase, "It is what it is."

 

[Catherine1972]

I don't think we should mix everything up. I already speak for myself, and for I think (or hope) a majority of us.

I don't think I criticized L&P for the quality of their work. Everyone agrees with the quality of its renderings, of its history. It has been said and said over and over.
The impatience that we show is linked precisely to all the work he does! And yes, sometimes this impatience turns into frustration, incomprehension and the debates get carried away.
We respect what L&P offers us. And that also implies accepting the deadlines between two updates, the choices he makes for his scenario.
Yes I get annoyed sometimes (or often) because the update is delayed. But it is my impatience and my desire to know the rest that speak.
I do not want to get into sterile debates. The speculation is fun, and maybe even if L&P hears it, he can smile at what we imagine and our infatuation with AWAM. But the process of creation is up to him. I have no choice but to accept it. This is what I do, I wait and then we will all meet up to discuss our ideas again.

 

[ancienregimele]

And ... ? Aiden hasn't even got Sophia to go pantiless. Even Bennett has got further, and we've gone on ad naseum how insignificant he is. As I've said before, compared to the Ellie route, that's several steps backwards. Unless Aiden can all of a sudden convince Sophia to go naked, I really see no point at all in Aiden's tasks.

Let me put it this way. If we refuse Aiden's tasks, Ellie gets naked more often. As soon as Dylan is at boarding school, which is where we are at the moment. So that is where Aiden's tasks need to be at in order for me to care about his tasks in the slightest. Of which there is no chance of happening. So why should I care about Aiden's tasks, when refusing them I get more naked Ellie?

One aspect of their use was in the Alyssa event, when Sophia decided to wear the floaty blue sundress gifted by her friend, with the thought that it wasn't much more revealing than the yellow one she'd worn to class, as a result of task 2. At this point, in matching shoes & walking in the San Alejo sunshine, she looked, IMO, sexier than she'd ever been. I know you're on the Ellie route but I chose not to go to yoga or have the poolside eroticism. Tough choices keep on having to be made but at least we've got the pictures via Unren. Alyssa's reference to Sophia teaching braless & her reaction, when they were in the cafe, was another good moment resulting from the tasks.

If more naked Ellie is a target & I can well see why it could be, refusing the tasks is probably the best choice. If they're accepted Dylan doesn't go to boarding school. As for getting Sophia naked I've always thought that Bennett should have been the better bet for blackmail. These various routes are moving at divergent paces but as I'm sticking to one main route it doesn't seem so bad. (That's said outside of the current timing controversy).

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Tough choices keep on having to be made but at least we've got the pictures via Unren.

just edit the script and make both events happen anyway ....

 

[ancienregimele]

just edit the script and make both events happen anyway ....

I wouldn't trust myself to do that as I'm only semi-IT literate, from a time when computers filled a whole room & spit out a rainforest's worth of paper to give 2 or 3 lines of relevant information!