VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

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So back to Sam's event...

What do you guys think that will likely happen?
I'm not talking about the logistics, whether he gives Sophia a drive home, a detour to a special spot, a walk on the beach etc etc. This are details that help to set the mood but let's forget that for a minute.

I think the general consensus is that they will have an alone moment, in any of the above or other settings.
What do you think will happen then?

Given the progression of Sam's story it's almost trivial to suggest a kiss. He had a lot of touching (the guitar lesson, the pool, the fashion show), a kiss on the cheek (pool) and a bit a "visual stimuli" (the balcony, the areola and the fashion show). It seems natural that the next step is a kiss, given that this is the "romantic" path (even if we know he is not that innocent) and of course sex is not happening.

Now, I see two main ways it can happen (we know that alcohol might be involved but it won't be play a role like in past event KillJoys ):

1. the "usual" way: if we look at the patterns throughout the game, most of Sophia's interactions with... let's call them the youngsters always happen as a sort of request: Can we kiss (Ellie, Julie), Can you show this and that (Dylan, Sam, Mayer's boys). Only Dylan and Emma stole a kiss, even if in different context and circumstances.
   So following that pattern I can imagine Sam being romantic and all, talking about the concert, the song he might have dedicated to her and getting back to the "impossible" relationship talk of the pool, the longing for her etc and finally asking with puppy eyes for "just a kiss". That will start the usual Sophia internal dilemma and the choice is offered to give in.
2. the "romantic" way: a little bit as above with Sam being romantic, maybe if the place helps (like the beach) Sophia will be in awe and warmed up (also the song) and Sam could try a more direct approach like at the pool, starting to feel Sophia's arms with his hands, and slowly leaning in for a kiss either on the lips or on the neck (Sophia's weak spot). At that point Sophia has the choice to give in and let it happen. (Sorry it sounds a bit more romantic in my head but writing is definitely not my skill... I hope you get what I mean )

That's for the kiss.
Now, before the previous update I would say that's enough, after all it's a big step for Sophia as it is the first time she kisses a male that is not her husband willingly.

But considering the change of pace of this PD, I wouldn't be surprised if things can escalate a bit farther. Sophia, once she decides to kiss, can be really carried away by the kiss and Sam can dare something more, like slowly sliding his hand under Sophia shirt to finally touch the objects of his desires.
Depending on Sophia dress we could even imagine that he manages to expose one breast for a kiss, while Sophia is completely overwhelmed by the moment of passion.
The limit for me is, as I said before, a very "light third" base, with Sam, e.g., getting to feel her inner thigh, like Tyler did at the club. If not exactly that, something in the same range.

Then Liam's call can bring Sophia back to reality as it as been discussed (for example).

What do you guys think?
Reasonable (considering the pace of the game, not our wishes)? Too much? Too conservative?

If Sophia were alone, I could see Sam trying for a kiss. Except she's going to be with Patricia, and maybe Ellie. So the most I can see happening is Patricia making a joke about wanting to bang rock musicians and Sophia not denying it. The next Sam event on playable day 13 however, might be a completely different matter.

Or if Ellie is turning up, in which case L&P might be setting up the Sam branch of the Ellie route. As a parallel to the Dylan route, and what is happening at the moment with Emma and Marie.

 

[Talcum Powder]

You are overhyping Aiden. Aiden is nowhere near a threat that big, it's a school gang with maybe a few connections with some rowdy adults. And in the other corner is a mafia boss. You really think morello with think twice before giving a school teenager a scare.

If he’s so small time then why won’t the cops touch him?

Bennett once again is not on the board.
He is also a teacher just like Sophia. He might have hidden connections but nothing to do with government on his side.

I didn’t say he’s on the board, I said he’s a government employee.

Morello is constantly doing things against the government, does it matter to him to give a phone call. He can give a direct threat to minister and be unscaved, let alone this sleazy bastard.

is pure conjecture on your part and not sunstantiated anywhere in the game content.

Do you think Bennett is so hell bent on fucking sophia that even after getting a call from a Mafia boss he will fight against him and his entire gang just to "maybe" have a chance that Sophia will agree to have sex.
Morello is constantly doing things against the government, does it matter to him to give a phone call. He can give a direct threat to minister and be unscaved, let alone this sleazy bastard. Do you think Bennett is so hell bent on fucking sophia that even after getting a call from a Mafia boss he will fight against him and his entire gang just to "maybe" have a chance that Sophia will agree to have sex.

Helping Sophia is no big deal for Morello, henceforth even Calling it a favour is over exaggerating it. Morello would have done that for Sophia even if she mentioned it to him on the Casino night, [/QUITE]
Again, this is pure conjecture, an assumption, and Sophia would have no reason to think that someone her husband owes hundreds of thousands of dollars would be willing to help her.

Morello was interested in Sophia and helping a woman get rid of a harasser doesn't need to be called a favour to her.

Dude, sorry, your arguments are devolving into poor fan-fiction at this point.

 

[Sabertooth__]

If he’s so small time then why won’t the cops touch him?

I didn’t say he’s on the board, I said he’s a government employee.

is pure conjecture on your part and not sunstantiated anywhere in the game content.

The cops didn't do anything because it's useless since there is no concrete evidence Sophia had against him. Without which Aiden's uncle will easily be able to free him. Hence there was no point to it.
Also Aiden can be a little intimidating to a normal family not to a mafia boss.

Isn't it a private school. How is he a government employee. Even if he is, they are government employees on paper nothing more. I have a friend recently who recently moved from a private school to a government school and all that's changed for her is she gets a better salary, nothing else. Government employees with power can only be those who are holding a high position as an officer. Also even if he did have power " somehow", do you think it is a wise decision to involve the government when you are the one harassing a woman and the call was to ask you to stop doing it. Not in my opinion.

As for the last part, I want to ask you, what do you think a mafia does ? Lawful activities, staying within the barriers of law. Helping ensure government rules are followed ??
What I see it as is they can be involved with drugs, smuggling, gambling dens etc etc.

Also just came to my mind. Do you think morello does not have connections with high ranking government officials. It is a given for him, or else how is he supposed to carry out his illegal businesses smoothly. I have never heard of a man being so powerful and not having any connections within the government

 

[Michael Rawson]

So back to Sam's event...

What do you guys think that will likely happen?
I'm not talking about the logistics, whether he gives Sophia a drive home, a detour to a special spot, a walk on the beach etc etc. This are details that help to set the mood but let's forget that for a minute.

I think the general consensus is that they will have an alone moment, in any of the above or other settings.
What do you think will happen then?

Given the progression of Sam's story it's almost trivial to suggest a kiss. He had a lot of touching (the guitar lesson, the pool, the fashion show), a kiss on the cheek (pool) and a bit a "visual stimuli" (the balcony, the areola and the fashion show). It seems natural that the next step is a kiss, given that this is the "romantic" path (even if we know he is not that innocent) and of course sex is not happening.

Now, I see two main ways it can happen (we know that alcohol might be involved but it won't be play a role like in past event KillJoys ):

1. the "usual" way: if we look at the patterns throughout the game, most of Sophia's interactions with... let's call them the youngsters always happen as a sort of request: Can we kiss (Ellie, Julie), Can you show this and that (Dylan, Sam, Mayer's boys). Only Dylan and Emma stole a kiss, even if in different context and circumstances.
   So following that pattern I can imagine Sam being romantic and all, talking about the concert, the song he might have dedicated to her and getting back to the "impossible" relationship talk of the pool, the longing for her etc and finally asking with puppy eyes for "just a kiss". That will start the usual Sophia internal dilemma and the choice is offered to give in.
2. the "romantic" way: a little bit as above with Sam being romantic, maybe if the place helps (like the beach) Sophia will be in awe and warmed up (also the song) and Sam could try a more direct approach like at the pool, starting to feel Sophia's arms with his hands, and slowly leaning in for a kiss either on the lips or on the neck (Sophia's weak spot). At that point Sophia has the choice to give in and let it happen. (Sorry it sounds a bit more romantic in my head but writing is definitely not my skill... I hope you get what I mean )

That's for the kiss.
Now, before the previous update I would say that's enough, after all it's a big step for Sophia as it is the first time she kisses a male that is not her husband willingly.

But considering the change of pace of this PD, I wouldn't be surprised if things can escalate a bit farther. Sophia, once she decides to kiss, can be really carried away by the kiss and Sam can dare something more, like slowly sliding his hand under Sophia shirt to finally touch the objects of his desires.
Depending on Sophia dress we could even imagine that he manages to expose one breast for a kiss, while Sophia is completely overwhelmed by the moment of passion.
The limit for me is, as I said before, a very "light third" base, with Sam, e.g., getting to feel her inner thigh, like Tyler did at the club. If not exactly that, something in the same range.

Then Liam's call can bring Sophia back to reality as it as been discussed (for example).

What do you guys think?
Reasonable (considering the pace of the game, not our wishes)? Too much? Too conservative?

Sorry but I don't like it, Sam has crossed any of these situations before dylan , I don't want to play this game anymore, And don't want to think up romantic situations for Sam , and of course Dylan's fans are big disappointed and bored, which makes Dylan fans lose interest in playing this game anymore .


Sorry English is not my native language.

 

[raavan1]

Sorry but I don't like it, Sam has crossed any of these situations before dylan , I don't want to play this game anymore, And don't want to think up romantic situations for Sam , and of course Dylan's fans are big disappointed and bored, which makes Dylan fans lose interest in playing this game anymore .


Sorry English is not my native language.

Mee too

 

[farrah]

Sorry but I don't like it, Sam has crossed any of these situations before dylan , I don't want to play this game anymore, And don't want to think up romantic situations for Sam , and of course Dylan's fans are big disappointed and bored, which makes Dylan fans lose interest in playing this game anymore .


Sorry English is not my native language.

Oh, come on, no need to say that Dylan's fans are bored. Especially for them, there are several events with Dylan every game day. I'm not Sam fan, but he appears as rarely as Ellie.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Oh, come on, no need to say that Dylan's fans are bored. Especially for them, there are several events with Dylan every game day. I'm not a fan of Sam, but he appears as rarely as Ellie.

I agree that Dylan has more scenes as a supporting cast member than most other cast members. However, if you take a look at his progress with the other cast members, most of them far exceed his progress by a lot. Most of Dylan's scenes are just filler scenes with minimal progression with Sophia, POV Yoga event (Marie) was the focus here with some observance with the other women, and not to mention his progress is more in the tune of Self-Imposed "Happy Endings," Spying (Perverted), Touchy-Feely Fabric scenes, and Begging. However, it changed a little bit with the jogging scene.

I would love for Ellie to have more scenes, but every time she is in a scene with Sophia, Ellie moves the bar closer to the Ultimate Prize. Dylan, on the other hand, is getting the "Two-steps forward, One-step back" treatment. IMO, Ellie's progression should be one step above Dylan but behind the rest of the other cast members. This is based on L&P's comments about it being "Realistic" that M/S can't develop quickly and it takes time, and I believe that should apply to M/D as well, even though she is a female.

 

[Adolfo]

About concertar scene, probably with Sam. This is a game of barriers that are falling little by little, but they are falling.

Sophia has had all kinds of sexual thoughts (lesbian sex, hetero sex, individual or group sex). She has been shown in underwear and bikinis repeatedly (including Sam) for some protagonists or in public, with photos included. She has shown herself naked in public or almost totally. She has shown his areolas to Sam. She has taught her tits to Dylan, Ellie, Julia, the students in the art class, the people in the sauna (with De Shawn and Vicky), Larry Morello and Alysha. She has shown her rear to Sam, Larry or Dylan with a thin tanga. His ass and his pussy has been shown to Ellie, Patricia and the girls in the yoga class, and unknowingly his ass to Dylan. It has tempted others, especially Zac, Dylan and Sam. She has let her ass touched and caressed by Ellie (bare ass) and Dylan (in sportswear). Sam and Dylan have touched her sneakily testing the texture of the garments. It has been touched by the masseuse, Aiden (belly), Dylan (wearing clothes) Ellie and Julia. Her tits have been touched and her nipples caressed and pinched by Ellie, Julia and Aiden. He has shown his outer lips in art class. She has been kissed by Ellie, Patricia and Julia. Tyler has kissed her on the neck and caressed her thighs and clitoris through her panties. She has masturbated in front of Alysha and Ellie. Tyler and Sam have pressed their crotch against her tushy. Zac, Aiden, the janitor, Dylan, the old men from the first job and the guys from the second job have shown their penises to Sophia. She has seen Dylan and the janitor masturbate in front of her. She has grabbed the penises of her students from the second job and has started masturbating them. Aiden has rested his penis on Sophia's back and she has consented to it.

IMO (or I hope) the scene of Sam's concert will be something else, a new barrier with some of the previous ones, and it will be a barrier I understand that very important because with that scene ends chapter 1 of the game. I don't think it's a point of no return, but a very important step (or several)

 

[Alley_Cat]

Oh, come on, no need to say that Dylan's fans are bored. Especially for them, there are several events with Dylan every game day. I'm not Sam fan, but he appears as rarely as Ellie.

Even rarer by my count. Including playable day 13, I count 40 Dylan events, 21 Ellie, 10 Sam and 8 Patricia events.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Even rarer by my count. Including playable day 13, I count 40 Dylan events, 21 Ellie, 10 Sam and 8 Patricia events.

Where has L&P mentioned the number of scenes for Sam and Patricia, I never across anything like that till now.

Also more Dylan scenes is very understandable. Firstly his progress has to be the slowest, secondly he is the most popular character and though Ellie is close we all know lots of people love hetero stuff ( I prefer the lesbian route, so please don't count me among them ).

Also lot of Dylan events are really small and filler content type.

 

[Hlextor]

Also lot of Dylan events are really small and filler content type.

L&P has an issue with incest between M/S but not with M/D. He thinks that a mother can't give herself to her son as easily as to her daughter. That is the reason why the development between them is unfortunately so slow.

 

[xxxorro]

If Sophia were alone, I could see Sam trying for a kiss. Except she's going to be with Patricia, and maybe Ellie. So the most I can see happening is Patricia making a joke about wanting to bang rock musicians and Sophia not denying it. The next Sam event on playable day 13 however, might be a completely different matter.

Or if Ellie is turning up, in which case L&P might be setting up the Sam branch of the Ellie route. As a parallel to the Dylan route, and what is happening at the moment with Emma and Marie.

I was starting from the premise that they get an alone moment.
Getting back to the logistics, Patricia could pick up Sophia and Ellie (like for the night club) and drive them to the concert. Most probably Ellie will leave just after the concert as she said she has also other arrangements and that is the opportunity for Sam to offer a lift to Sophia letting Patricia go back alone without the detour to drop Sophia.
Or simply the alone moment would be a walk on the beach while the others are talking.

But obviously there is also the possibility, as you said, that nothing really big happens or even that Sam is hooked up with Ellie, which I hope not... We need everything but new branches in this game!

The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
It was relatively fast.
I think if this pace of work continues, we can expect an update by the end of October or the beginning of November.

Let's not forget that he will take some weeks off for vacation at some point
(I edited the previous post, sorry, it was you that said that alcohol won't be decisive in Sam's event )

 

[Alley_Cat]

Where has L&P mentioned the number of scenes for Sam and Patricia, I never across anything like that till now.

Also more Dylan scenes is very understandable. Firstly his progress has to be the slowest, secondly he is the most popular character and though Ellie is close we all know lots of people love hetero stuff ( I prefer the lesbian route, so please don't count me among them ).

Also lot of Dylan events are really small and filler content type.

Sam has an event coming up on day 13 that we know of (that I included in his 10), Patricia has the museum date on day 14, and the horse ranch event on day 15 (which I didn't, because we don't know the number of Dylan events on day 14).

 

[hzjujk]

I just want to clarify one thing here on the subject. I don't like the Sam Route, but I am against any shortening of the story or the omission of individual (different) routes. On the one hand it would make the overall story more boring for me and on the other hand out of respect for the people who like the Sam Route, for example.

 

[xxxorro]

I just want to clarify one thing here on the subject. I don't like the Sam Route, but I am against any shortening of the story or the omission of individual (different) routes. On the one hand it would make the overall story more boring for me and on the other hand out of respect for the people who like the Sam Route, for example.

And I also clarify that I'm not a Sam's fan, I don't particularly like him (because of the sneaky behaviour with the wine for example) but I don't despise him either. What I wrote was just for the pure sake of speculation

 

[Sabertooth__]

L&P has an issue with incest between M/S but not with M/D. He thinks that a mother can't give herself to her son as easily as to her daughter. That is the reason why the development between them is unfortunately so slow.

I too agree with that notion. A mother daughter premise is bound to move faster than a mother son.
Also what matters is approach. Ellie's approach is through the bath, Sophia is already nude there. So things can only go ahead of that.
Also Ellie can't penetrate Sophia ( not without any toys atleast ), Dylan can and get Sophia pregnant, so that is a bit too risky. The level of threat you feel from a male can't be anything like a female. I mean the general thought in Sophia's mind is that Ellie and she are both women, so there is nothing special that she has which Ellie doesn't. Moving forward gets much easier.

 

[Alley_Cat]

That's what I am asking, how did you get the number 10 for Sam and 8 for Patricia. Similarly 40 for Dylan and so on

In my spreadsheet I've got a list of the 97 events we know of. Then I've just gone through and added columns for the characters. Ticked off if a character is in an event (including the ones we've only seen once like Larry and DeShawn) and tallied it down the bottom

I too agree with that notion. A mother daughter premise is bound to move faster than a mother son.
Also what matters is approach. Ellie's approach is through the bath, Sophia is already nude there. So things can only go ahead of that.
Also Ellie can't penetrate Sophia ( not without any toys atleast ), Dylan can and get Sophia pregnant, so that is a bit too risky. The level of threat you feel from a male can't be anything like a female. I mean the general thought in Sophia's mind is that Ellie and she are both women, so there is nothing special that she has which Ellie doesn't. Moving forward gets much easier.

"Just us girls" is the reason they get away with so much. Might even be an excuse Sophia uses as to why she's out on a schoolnight and going to Sam's concert in the first place, like she does for the nightclub event. And probably will for the museum one too.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I too agree with that notion. A mother daughter premise is bound to move faster than a mother son.
Also what matters is approach. Ellie's approach is through the bath, Sophia is already nude there. So things can only go ahead of that.
Also Ellie can't penetrate Sophia ( not without any toys atleast ), Dylan can and get Sophia pregnant, so that is a bit too risky. The level of threat you feel from a male can't be anything like a female. I mean the general thought in Sophia's mind is that Ellie and she are both women, so there is nothing special that she has which Ellie doesn't. Moving forward gets much easier.

It's bound to move faster but not in the progression that it's moving in right now, which is why she should be one step above Dylan in progression. At the end of the day, Sophia/Ellie are M/D, and if you read L&P's thoughts on M/S, It should be applied to M/D as well, but maybe a one step forward. So it's not just about penetrating, it's about the feelings one should have towards their "household" members.

Ellie should be moving roughly at the same pace as Dylan if you apply L&P's logic here.

 

[nexer]

It's not my intention to defend Sam, but as far as I know he didn't know about the effect of alcohol on Sophia's libido.
Sophia knows her weaknesses so it's a deliberate choice on her part, and the fact that a man tries to open any unlocked door is a genetic issue, the fault of mother nature.

 

[Sabertooth__]

It's bound to move faster but not in the progression that it's moving in right now, which is why she should be one step above Dylan in progression. At the end of the day, Sophia/Ellie are M/D, and if you read L&P's thoughts on M/S, It should be applied to M/D as well, but maybe a one step forward. So it's not just about penetrating, it's about the feelings one should have towards their "household" members.

Ellie should be moving roughly at the same pace as Dylan if you apply L&P's logic here.

I guess he has different logic for women and men, that's why all women move faster and are actually better characters.

In terms of feelings, I kinda feel Dylan took the lead in the last event. Sophia started seeing him more than a son but this is something not emphasized anywhere for Ellie. For Ellie she is more concerned as a mother about her daughter's sexual life, that too because Ellie asked her about it. Physically ofcourse Ellie is ahead, she uses others as her shield, like first she used Patricia, then Julia saying if she can do it for them, she should do it for her too. Dylan does not have any such reference or person to use to his advantage.

So in the end as I said, it really comes down to the approach. Ellie has a better approach hence progresses faster than Dylan, plus the natural advantage