VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Turret]

"Development Hell" can happen for any number of reasons. It's currently in a slower phase of development, but may pick up in the future or slow down who knows we have no crystal ball.

I hope it gets finished some day.

The thing is that in these 4,5 years AWAM NEVER speeded up, it only became slower and slower. Your 9 years estimate is way off. With the speed of last year it would still take around 18 years to complete, but that was last year. With the current speed we are looking towards an unsustainable 40-50 years. While I am not that old, I cannot be sure to still be here in 40 or fifty years.
And I truly doubt that L&P would keep on going for a couple decades.

 

[hm89ehdi]

Wow! You read all 4311 pages. Impressive!

i dont even read a complete sentence what u ppl discuss here ..

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I would rather things be done better than done quicker.

Do you want a steak tomorrow or hamburger today?

The problem with the steak is that it doesn't come "tomorrow". It's promised for tomorrow and then it ends up coming 2 weeks later. By the time the steak comes you already died from hunger.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Arguing about the length of time it takes to translate and localize AWAM misses the point. While I agree yihman1 that there's a lot more to localization than a computer can provide, it doesn't really matter when the rendering and illustrating is taking 5 months. After 5 months, who cares if translation take 10 days or 20? Even if L&P got the process down to 5 days, and it was flawless, there are bigger problems to worry about. It would be like arguing over fixing a leaky faucet in your bathroom. Yeah, sure, it's important, but meanwhile the roof is on fire. Let's prioritize the roof first.

I don't agree with this at all because it's a very wrong way of thinking.
Just because a problem is small in comparison to other problems, it does not mean it doesn't need to be solved.

Let's say he will finish this VN. He will have, at least, another ~85 more updates to do (now that he's doing 1/10 of the day).
If in each update he saves 10 days, he will save 850 days by the end of the full run.
That's 2 years and 3 months less time of development of the full VN.

Just because a problem is small in comparison with others it doesn't mean it shouldn't be tackled, specially when it's easy to solve.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

It's about 1/3 done. He has been working on it for about 4.5 years. At current pace it is 9 years until completion not 40.

Are you joking? This is so off the mark.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

"Development Hell" can happen for any number of reasons. It's currently in a slower phase of development, but may pick up in the future or slow down who knows we have no crystal ball.

In this thread apparently we do, considering we've nailed his method and the way he thinks/delays update every time. Actually it wasn't that hard since the method hasn't changed since 2019.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Arguing about the length of time it takes to translate and localize AWAM misses the point. While I agree yihman1 that there's a lot more to localization than a computer can provide, it doesn't really matter when the rendering and illustrating is taking 5 months. After 5 months, who cares if translation take 10 days or 20? Even if L&P got the process down to 5 days, and it was flawless, there are bigger problems to worry about. It would be like arguing over fixing a leaky faucet in your bathroom. Yeah, sure, it's important, but meanwhile the roof is on fire. Let's prioritize the roof first.

If you expand the leak in the faucet, that can take care of the burning roof. Sure, you destroy the house, yard and possibly the neighborhood, but the leak is solved, and the roof is no longer on fire.

 

[ancienregimele]

i dont even read a complete sentence what u ppl discuss here ..

Then how did you compose your answer? Did you just take a guess at what might have been said? If you did you have a future as a psychic, or maybe a fortune teller. On the other hand, if you don't read a full sentence, do you think you might be on the wrong thread?

 

[jamdan]

The time estimates are just that, estimates. There is a 0% chance this game will ever be completed at a 40yr pace. Odds are, most of us will be dead by then. Including LP.

9yrs isn't much better, honestly. Sure, it's a shorter timeline. But the odds a game gets developed for ~15 years and completed is also extremely low.

The only chance this game has to be completed is if it can be done in the next ~5 or so years. However, the odds that happens are also slim to none.

We keep focusing on the number of updates. 10 updates for a single day yada-yada. The number of updates do not matter, it's the progress each of those updates make that matters. If each update is just a small portion of the day, and it takes a year to make all those small updates, then nothing really changes. We're at 1day per IRL year spread across 10 updates.

That's the same as 1day per year in one big update. The whole thing with small updates making the development quicker is an illusion. It seems quicker, since the updates are more common, but in reality you get the same amount of content you'd get with the previous update cycle. 1 day per year.

To keep the food analogy's going. Imagine going to a restaurant and ordering a burger. You can either order the entire burger and wait a year for it to be made. Or you can cut the burger into 10 small pieces and eat one of those pieces every 2-4 months. What's the difference? Nothing, you're still going to die of starvation either way.

The talks about "quicker updates" vs "quality game" is a false choice. You can have both. I don't think anyone would complain at all if LP "reduces" the quality of the game back to the earlier updates quality. Back when this was updated regularly, before he fell in love with lens flares and "special" tasks.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report Ver. 0.155.

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[ashitanojoe]

Lust&Passion I believe finding 3D artists to hire who can match your quality it's not that impossible as you think.

Look, I went to Daz3D gallery

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And there are several artists with impressive renders. Look for example this guy

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I went to his youtube channel, where he makes tutorials and certainly you can tell he has a lot of knowledge, and I found his

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. There he says: "Hey there - my name is Rauko. I'm a 3D artist creating both Safe for Work (SFW) and Not Safe For Work (NSFW) content such as images, animations, visual novels and games. I've been working with various 3d tools and applications over the years but am currently firmly encamped in the Daz 3D field and pumping out images on a regular basis."

And how many patrons he has? 2. It seems that he is not making profit from this right now, so maybe he will be interested in be hiring by someone.

You could write him something like: "Hi I'm the dev from A Wife And Mother, a very popular adult game, and I'm searching for someone who can make "[insert number]" renders per month of this quality. Are you interested? Write me at "" and we discuss the payment."

And you can do that for every artist that can make renders you like. Yo go to the gallery, watch a great render, then you write that to the artist.

There's other great renders by others too:

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[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Lust&Passion I believe finding 3D artists to hire who can match your quality it's not that impossible as you think.

Look, I went to Daz3D gallery

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And there are several artists with impressive renders. Look for example this guy

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:

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I went to his youtube channel, where he makes tutorials and certainly you can tell he has a lot of knowledge, and I found his

You must be registered to see the links

. There he says: "Hey there - my name is Rauko. I'm a 3D artist creating both Safe for Work (SFW) and Not Safe For Work (NSFW) content such as images, animations, visual novels and games. I've been working with various 3d tools and applications over the years but am currently firmly encamped in the Daz 3D field and pumping out images on a regular basis."

And how many patrons he has? 2. It seems that he is not making profit from this right now, so maybe he will be interested in be hiring by someone.

You could write him something like: "Hi I'm the dev from A Wife And Mother, a very popular adult game, and I'm searching for someone who can make "[insert number]" renders per month of this quality. Are you interested? Write me at "" and we discuss the payment."

And you can do that for every artist that can make renders you like. Yo go to the gallery, watch a great render, then you write that to the artist.

There's other great renders by others too:

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There' plenty of great artists out there that make even better renders than L&P, specially now that he is becoming a bit cartoonish.

 

[菊花献给党]

My Internet speed is 30Mb /s, 360 RMB which translates to 50 euros a year.

China Mobile's network?

 

[lockerxx]

Progress Report Ver. 0.155.

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Is moving!!!

 

[Habawa]

TWO WEEKS

 

[CSK92]

Atleast I don't put accusations on someone without knowing the whole picture. So there's that. You know the whole picture show it here. Back what you say. Can't do that, there's no point of you babbling.

Dude. I layed it up right for you and you fell in it. You are going to be heart broke the most when this gets abandoned or theres no update for 2 years. I applaud your loyalty, but its getting tiresome. You can mute me if like.

 

[momojean]

Dude. I layed it up right for you and you fell in it. You are going to be heart broke the most when this gets abandoned or theres no update for 2 years. I applaud your loyalty, but its getting tiresome. You can mute me if like.

you can't do anything to help these people. Their case is a lost cause.
Masochism is second nature to them. if you deprive them of it, they risk dying. Can't you see how they dedicate all their brain cells and time to making up lies to justify the bullshit that L&P is doing? While he himself doesn't give a damn and doesn't spend an hour explaining himself. Why would he do it when he has a bunch of worshipers doing it for him for free.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Dude. I layed it up right for you and you fell in it. You are going to be heart broke the most when this gets abandoned or theres no update for 2 years. I applaud your loyalty, but its getting tiresome. You can mute me if like.

Oh more than me those people will be heart broken who come here everyday just complain even if the game gets delayed by a day, as they have lost their one single purpose in life.

For me, i atleast have perspective that there are 1000's of substitutes of Awam, direct or indirect. Hence I don't cry here about every single word he says. He can stop today itself and I'd move on. Doesn't seem to be the case for the die hard critiques.

 

[Jack Adams]

And while this was the case it is not reality anymore. Right now we get Steel from china and then use it for other productions because it has been way cheaper to import it From China than create it here. since the energie costs going through the roof. Germany's buble is soon to burst. We pay already the highest engergie costs in the World. Basically more than 50% of wage goes down for Taxes direcect and indirect like Sales tax etc. We are getting outclassed in many points these days it is ridiculous.

I wonder how long this can still last. But as fun this is I think we wennt way of topic for a porn game XD

But for translating: Translating from German to other languages is set with many difficulties grammarwise. We have so many exceptions and grammar differences compared to english or other languages. I do not think it is as easy as some people think it is.

Personally I would not even write in German but rather compete in English. This would probably be easier for him and timewise.

Your comments concerning the general state of affairs in Germany is correct. The political will to maintain a sovereign country anchored by real wealth in terms of manufactured goods has become largely absent. It is not difficult to develop or restore cheap utilities, a modern infrastructure and a competitive economy... if the priorities in any nation's leadership is focused there (e.g. Even the overlooked nation of Botswana in the 1990's had the fastest growing GDP in the world due to political will). I fully agree that any economic leadership that does not disabuse themselves from an economy based on debt will collapse.
This is all an unlikely tie in to our intemperance concerning L&P's production schedule. Although the root of his intent I believe to be sincere, the patience debt he has incurred with many will continue to erode faith in his actions for the future.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Is moving!!!

Fear of losing her firm figure and flawless complexion before ever getting to that shaving lesson with Ellie has forced Sophia into the difficult but necessary decision to embrace cryogenics.