It could have been the great erotic 3d VN of the first third of the 21st century. Instead it's just an ultra-slow porn game.
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i'm seriously confused... i dont even get what people are rating... good or bad lol... for me not a dam thing has changed since the last time i tried the game witch was like version 1.60 or something... game just ends in the same spot nothing new lol.
The weird thing with Emma, for me, is that she was telegraphed as part of Sophia's lesbian route. Taking her clothes shopping, stripping down to underwear with her and Ellie, Sophia continuing to encourage her to embrace her looks during the car ride, the kiss and flirty commentary between the two during Aiden's first task. Then Emma just transfers class without reason given, stops by to say hi to Sophia randomly and Sophia gets the idea to pawn Emma off on Dylan, and Emma says "Yes, I've always liked Dylan, thank you for hooking me up with him. Felt like complete whiplash to me.
Perhaps there is still something there, as Emma still seems kind of flirty when talking about Evie after Aiden's second task. But it felt like that route was closed when Emma admitted to wanting Dylan. Seems more like it's now a three way option for Dylan's storyline, rather than exclusive Emma x Sophia thing.
While I'm on the subject of telegraphing though. Smoking and tattoos have both been telegraphed as something Sophia is opposed to early on in the game. Then a reminder for her stance on smoking comes from Christine and Ellie, although her anger with Sophia seems to stem more from lying than the actual smoking. Her stance on tattoos also seems to soften as she admires Alyssa's after tanning with Zac, again when she finds out Ellie got a few, and again with Nathalie. In both cases of smoking and tattoos it feels to me like that's going to be a decision down the line. If this ends up being the case, ideally, I would like to see Patricia and Ellie be the influencer here. Though I suppose there is also a world in which Aiden could possibly force it as a task. Anyone else feeling this a possibility?
This might be cliche, but perhaps Sophia, Ellie, and Patricia go out to the club again. Patricia gets excited by Ellie's tattoos and wants one of her own; Sophia is hesitant at first, but after a few drinks would consider going with Patricia to watch her get a tattoo. Maybe a few more, or if her filthy points are high enough, she would be willing to get one with Patricia. We also know that Patricia smokes, and Ellie has at least taken a drag; Patricia lights one up outside the club, or after getting the tattoo, without thinking. Ellie asks if she can try, and again Sophia puts up a resistence, but can cave here as well, also trying a cig.
Perhaps there is still something there, as Emma still seems kind of flirty when talking about Evie after Aiden's second task. But it felt like that route was closed when Emma admitted to wanting Dylan. Seems more like it's now a three way option for Dylan's storyline, rather than exclusive Emma x Sophia thing.
While I'm on the subject of telegraphing though. Smoking and tattoos have both been telegraphed as something Sophia is opposed to early on in the game. Then a reminder for her stance on smoking comes from Christine and Ellie, although her anger with Sophia seems to stem more from lying than the actual smoking. Her stance on tattoos also seems to soften as she admires Alyssa's after tanning with Zac, again when she finds out Ellie got a few, and again with Nathalie. In both cases of smoking and tattoos it feels to me like that's going to be a decision down the line. If this ends up being the case, ideally, I would like to see Patricia and Ellie be the influencer here. Though I suppose there is also a world in which Aiden could possibly force it as a task. Anyone else feeling this a possibility?
This might be cliche, but perhaps Sophia, Ellie, and Patricia go out to the club again. Patricia gets excited by Ellie's tattoos and wants one of her own; Sophia is hesitant at first, but after a few drinks would consider going with Patricia to watch her get a tattoo. Maybe a few more, or if her filthy points are high enough, she would be willing to get one with Patricia. We also know that Patricia smokes, and Ellie has at least taken a drag; Patricia lights one up outside the club, or after getting the tattoo, without thinking. Ellie asks if she can try, and again Sophia puts up a resistence, but can cave here as well, also trying a cig.
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I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.
After you finished, the second part of the game appeared. Download it and you will understand what has changed.
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Sofia needs Emma because of Dylan, not her own desires.
Sophia has many women.
Alicia, Natalie, Ellie, Vicky, Patricia...
Dylan has many women., too.
Amber, Emma, Marie, Christine, Patricia...
The developer said there will be a big event for Liam on the last day of the game.
Dylan's big event will also be on the last day of the game.
But I don't know if that last day will be 6 or 60 years later.
Sophia has many women.
Alicia, Natalie, Ellie, Vicky, Patricia...
Dylan has many women., too.
Amber, Emma, Marie, Christine, Patricia...
The developer said there will be a big event for Liam on the last day of the game.
Dylan's big event will also be on the last day of the game.
But I don't know if that last day will be 6 or 60 years later.
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"End of the game" doesn't necessarily mean the last day. If you look at the days Dylan doesn't have events, one of them is PD30
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so here is a question, people complain Sophia still has not had sex with someone who isn't her husband.
so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?
Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?
so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?
Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?
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Of course not everything will happen all at once on 31 December.
I Mean, Not then Around that time.
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That entirely depends on what you consider sex. I'm fairly sure many here are using the straight definition, implying penetrative.
But that ignores sexual contact with mouths, fingers, boobs etc.
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There are enough characters already.
That's too many.
Does complaining matter about no sex on porn gaming sites?
I hope AWAM is faster.
Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."
Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.
Remove the tag. Incest
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The only reason why members like myself talk about realism (or class), is that L&P himself touts it as a reason his game is better than others. So it's a standard the dev himself has set.
For those that see me in other threads can vouch, I don't make a fuss at all about realism in other games. Certainly not in something like DDoS, that even never claims to be realistic. We suspect one of the NPCs is a succubus, which throws realism straight out the window.
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I mean some people who say the reason for the slow pace of the game is realism.
It's not someone else
Im pretty sure most people feel as though the story should have been developed much farther in these last 5 years lol
You could have a point here.
Has AWAM become a job that L&P endures because it is how he provides for himself?
If the pacing and development speed of the AVN is a guide, then it seems like much of the 'fun' has gone out of this creation.
More time is being spent on side stories (shota boys/old men) and on newer things (animations/remastering early parts of the story), leaving less time to continue the subplots that brought so many of us to AWAM.
The trend of the slow tease/burn continues to play out. It took 6 years RL for a prim Sophia to evolve and allow one guy to be able to give her an orgasm by playing with and sucking her tits. She has still not reciprocated by giving pleasure to a guy (setting aside the good wife path which is hardly the primary focus of AWAM). She did give minor pleasure to Ellie and Julia, years ago - RL, but she has fallen back into her passive ways.
All this while development speed continues to slow.
IF he spends a significant part of his week creating, then this must be lonely since he has refused to build a team leaving him with no near peers to commiserate with or to celebrate successes. Friends and family are great, but they are not in the work trenches with you, so they really Don't get the grind of days into months into years poured into a creation or any other job.
If this has become 'just' a job for L&P, then he is missing one of the key reasons to stay at his job - the people.
Is L&P bored with AWAM now??
How many of us have stayed at a boring job because it paid the bills, and it was 'enough' for now... with now stretching into years or even decades.
We will likely never know the answer to many of these questions or receive confirmation/denial regarding some of the subjective assessment above, but the continued drop in development speed feels like an indicator that all is not well.
Do I think that AWAM will continue for years - yes.
At what point does L&P pull a 'Dread Pirate Roberts' - get a replacement who takes on the role of L&P while the artist formerly known as L&P retires?
Sarcastic... perhaps ... but....
- Apr 21, 2020
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As they say, as many people, so many opinions.
To tell the truth, I still hope that L&P will find solutions and opportunities to speed up the creation of AWAM. According to my ideas, it will take him another 2-3 years.
I don't think that for L&P, AWAM has become just a job. In my opinion, this is still for him, something exciting and interesting, something that he wants to successfully complete. But this does not exclude the fact that the work of a writer is something special. That is why I draw the attention of forum members to the understanding that in order for a writer to write interestingly, excitingly and eventually successfully, he needs inspiration. And inspiration is such a substance that is not constantly in a person for years. Inspiration must be sought, sometimes it comes by itself, but it is infinitely impossible to keep it in yourself.
It is the burnout effect that cleanses a person of inspiration.
Also I don't think the fun has gone out of this game. On the contrary, together with Sophia, who is more sexually active, the fun will return to the game.
But I agree with you that many questions will remain unanswered.
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One of his first goals on Patreon: drop off the college and hire a team. Never fulfilled. Lies upon lies. Zero understanding from me.
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Look man I'm sure there are many here who work in the creative industry as well and very much understand that what he's attempting to do is by no means easy. But that's what people have been warning for many many years now. It's for this very reason. That at some point, with a slow development, you will feel burnout.
Which is why many have implored the dev to fulfill his pledge and hire a team to finish this game quicker. So long as this problem is not rectified, there's always a danger that this game will eventually be abandoned.
Why should a story featuring incest not have at least some sense of realism? Only one big reason I can think of but we'll come to that. Apart from the Dev's own mission statement, which he's never rescinded, AWAM began & progressed for several years along a track that was observably more realistic than virtually any other game on F95. It almost seemed that at last there was a story for grown-ups, being written by an adult.
It was good because 98% of games & VNs make no pretence at anything like logic, or scenarios with a modicum of believability. Most are, in fact, aimed squarely "where the market is," I presume. This consists of tweenage/teenage fappers, some of whom have clearly never had a girlfriend & so have little understanding of how sex & sexual situations work in real life. 3d portrayals of BJs are a case in point.....'swallow the sausage & choke' is not an erotic circumstance in RL. I'm not being snotty about this, you see, I was a teenager myself for 7 years. It's good that 100s of porn games fulfil the audience's demands. It leaves very little for those who appreciate 3d but want something different, something less predictable & boring, something less silly. Then along came AWAM with the aims & aspirations clearly outlined.
Now any attempt at realism has been ditched. AWAM is just another porn game but it's not average because it is one of the slowest on that mass market. Fans want sex & screw the logic. Strangely, however, they're not getting it. HOW many times are we going to read variations on, "has Dylan fucked his mother yet?" Now we have the ridiculously concocted situation of Dylan & Sam being in some sort of sex race. (Total tripe). That's why the realism has gone. That & the fact that it's probably easier to write average porn than to aim for an erotic VN.
So all those who say, "get fucked," "why do you stick around", "stop being negative," etc., I've already said that I still follow AWAM for the renders & out of curiousity. Face palm away my virginal children.
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