VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[hzjujk]

Not entirely true. I've been complaining about all the Dylan content that isn't directly tied to the Sophia/Dylan storyline. So not directly the pool event, does include it.

We don't know yet! Unless they already had insights that were denied to us.
The Elli/Dylan relationship will have a big impact on Sophia in the future. Likewise, I can imagine that Dylan/Marie will have a role in the Dylan/Sophia relationship in the future. I just think that Sophia showed sexual interest in Marie during the yoga event. And that Marie is already cheating on her boyfriend with Dylan. So it is conceivable that she could cheat on Dylan with his mother at some point.
That L&P takes the trouble to characterize the characters through history may seem superfluous now, but may play a role in the future. Even if that future, for us, is still a decade away.
This may not please everyone, but it is a perfectly normal way to tell a story.

 

[Alley_Cat]

We don't know yet! Unless they already had insights that were denied to us.
The Elli/Dylan relationship will have a big impact on Sophia in the future. Likewise, I can imagine that Dylan/Marie will have a role in the Dylan/Sophia relationship in the future. I just think that Sophia showed sexual interest in Marie during the yoga event. And that Marie is already cheating on her boyfriend with Dylan. So it is conceivable that she could cheat on Dylan with his mother at some point.
That L&P takes the trouble to characterize the characters through history may seem superfluous now, but may play a role in the future. Even if that future, for us, is still a decade away.
This may not please everyone, but it is a perfectly normal way to tell a story.

"We don't know yet!" about the pool event? My understanding is that in choosing the boarding school path, that stops the Sophia/Dylan relationship, cold. That's why I'm against it.

As to the bonus storyline, that's meant to be all done and dusted by PD16. Not sure how any "big impact" can eventuate when it wont affect the last half of the game. Only consequence I can think of that you might be alluding to is if Ellie forgives Logan. And in that case, the Logan branch of the Ellie route continues as if the bonus storyline never happened.

 

[hzjujk]

"We don't know yet!" about the pool event? My understanding is that in choosing the boarding school path, that stops the Sophia/Dylan relationship, cold. That's why I'm against it.

As to the bonus storyline, that's meant to be all done and dusted by PD16. Not sure how any "big impact" can eventuate when it wont affect the last half of the game. Only consequence I can think of that you might be alluding to is if Ellie forgives Logan. And in that case, the Logan branch of the Ellie route continues as if the bonus storyline never happened.

Now we don't say "great influence" but "influence." One of many. But the Dylan/Elli relationship will inevitably play a role. On the Dylan route when Elli learns that Dylan is making out with Sophia and on the pure lesbian route when Dylan learns that Sophia and Elli are entering into a new covenant for life.
In both cases, Sophia will surely prefer to lose only Liam and not her son or daughter.
And for those who want to see a threesome Elli/Sophia/Dylan ....
I think we will disagree here because they want to go completely different ways in this game than I do. And I agree that it is the story of L&P and I like the way it is told. That also means for me that every now and then I'm a little disappointed by an update (like the last one).

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Both blackmails should have been developed more. Aiden's too. I refuse both, and have yet to face any adverse storyline. I'm still happily playing all the events I want.

But then I'm of the opinion there shouldn't have been a choice between Morello and Aiden. Do away with the Morello storyline altogether, so that the only way to continue the Dylan route is to continue the tasks. Either that, or be able to play the Dylan route and not do the tasks at all.

I understand your desire for more lesbian content. I'd like that too, but not at the expense of forcing Dylan fans to accept every one of Aiden's blackmail tasks if they want to pursue the Dylan/Sophia route.

I was one of the Dylan fans who pushed for a way out of the blackmail as soon as possible once L&P gated the Dylan path to the start of Aiden's blackmail.

We still had to accept the 4 Aiden tasks to be able to stay on the Sophia path.

Here's another option:

If we are going to rewrite history, let's get rid of all of the Aiden blackmail - you know the thing that threatens a teacher's reputation and livelihood...

We both know that this will not happen, and we know that L&P is not going to rewrite the first 12 days of AWAM to appeal to either of us.

FYI - I also would not force Ellie to stay in an abusive relationship to continue her path with Sophia. If this is what Ellie's bitch points turn into - Ellie's willingness to be a victim and accept that all she is worth is to be cheated on and mistreated by Logan, then I am opposed to this.

Going forward, I'm fine with missing out on the Aiden blackmail, but that does not mean others don't want that, and the increasing submission of a pretty teacher to the whims of a high school thug and his gang.

We all have to accept that some of the fetishes/desires of others will not fall into our 'Sophia path' choices.

I think you've done a good job avoiding the paths you don't like, but at the expense of having very little content to enjoy - and that sucks.

When we get to either additional Aiden tasks or Ellie being turned into a victim (should this be what happens with the 'bitch point system'), I will avoid that content at almost all cost and so what if that means I have no real AWAM update for 6 months to 1 year +

That is the price I am willing to pay to avoid that particular type of content.

Cheers!

 

[Hazestack1972]

I am a big fan of Sophia's lesbian route as well, but I would like to see the Morello blackmail fleshed out a little. I would like to see more of Sophia's naughty thoughts about Larry Morello. Maybe he could find a way to get her a "conjugal" visit for a little striptease or more... Just my two cents from a recent fan.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I understand your desire for more lesbian content. I'd like that too, but not at the expense of forcing Dylan fans to accept every one of Aiden's blackmail tasks if they want to pursue the Dylan/Sophia route.

I was one of the Dylan fans who pushed for a way out of the blackmail as soon as possible once L&P gated the Dylan path to the start of Aiden's blackmail.

We still had to accept the 4 Aiden tasks to be able to stay on the Sophia path.

Here's another option:

If we are going to rewrite history, let's get rid of all of the Aiden blackmail - you know the thing that threatens a teacher's reputation and livelihood...

We both know that this will not happen, and we know that L&P is not going to rewrite the first 12 days of AWAM to appeal to either of us.

FYI - I also would not force Ellie to stay in an abusive relationship to continue her path with Sophia. If this is what Ellie's bitch points turn into - Ellie's willingness to be a victim and accept that all she is worth is to be cheated on and mistreated by Logan, then I am opposed to this.

Going forward, I'm fine with missing out on the Aiden blackmail, but that does not mean others don't want that, and the increasing submission of a pretty teacher to the whims of a high school thug and his gang.

We all have to accept that some of the fetishes/desires of others will not fall into our 'Sophia path' choices.

I think you've done a good job avoiding the paths you don't like, but at the expense of having very little content to enjoy - and that sucks.

When we get to either additional Aiden tasks or Ellie being turned into a victim (should this be what happens with the 'bitch point system'), I will avoid that content at almost all cost and so what if that means I have no real AWAM update for 6 months to 1 year +

That is the price I am willing to pay to avoid that particular type of content.

Cheers!

What does Aiden's tasks have to do with the lesbian route? My opinion on Aiden's tasks in this regard is more that I don't see the value in having any of the tasks that aren't required for the Dylan route. If Sophia can get out of them so easily, what's the point in having them in the first place? If the Twist was still in play, that might be a different story altogether.

 

[MO18]

The cause of all the problems lies with producers who produce very slowly.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

after all this talk...
+0% today

Perhaps he's recalculating against a new unknown 100%

 

[Alley_Cat]

Perhaps he's recalculating against a new unknown 100%

 

[PaxHadrian17]

What does Aiden's tasks have to do with the lesbian route? My opinion on Aiden's tasks in this regard is more that I don't see the value in having any of the tasks that aren't required for the Dylan route. If Sophia can get out of them so easily, what's the point in having them in the first place? If the Twist was still in play, that might be a different story altogether.

My point was not about Aiden's tasks and the lesbian route, it was that L&P gated the Spohia/Dylan route to accepting Aiden's blackmail.

Dylan fans Had to accept Aiden's blackmail in order to continue on the Sophia/Dylan path - there was no choice.

This is why many of the Dylan fans, me included (this occurred when I was still a supporter via Patreon), asked L&P for a way to stop Sophia from being blackmailed while staying on the Sophia Dylan route.

We finally, years later, reached the end of Aiden's 4th blackmail task and were able to kick Aiden to the curb, with the help of Don Moreno.

As much as I dislike the blackmail route though, I accept that others Do like that route, and I have no more right to expect that the black mail route goes away then they have the right to expect that those who want to be on the Sophia/Dylan route Must accept every one of Aiden's blackmail tasks as the price to pay for Dylan Sophia time.

Do I want faster development - sure, but that is L&P's choice to fix or not, and I've seen no positive change in the speed of development, regardless of the repeated promises that it will get better whenever.

 

[tofhdns]

1. Liam cheated on Sophia, and Sophia finds out about it, has sex with another man.
2. Sofia becomes a couple with Sam, Dylan becomes a couple with Amber, and the them share this fact.
3. Dylan and Ellie become a sexual relationship and Sophia finds out about this, or Dylan and Ellie conspire together to do something to Sophia.

These are all things that can happen in the near future and can make Sofia react and act in a variety of ways.

On the other hand

How can Dylan-Emma, Christine, and Marie Story affect Sofia?

Dylan dates them and becomes a couple, then breaks up, get hurt and Dylan becomes a couple when he is comforted by Sophia?

It's a story don't need, but it takes a lot of time to complete the story.
At least a month in game time is six years in real time.

Marie used Dylan because she wanted to be in a relationship with Sophia, and later she became in a relationship with Dylan and Sophia?

It also takes time, but it's not Sophia, it's not Dylan, it's Marie's story.

The reason for this debate is that the developer is too slow and that Dylan Solo Story will make Sophia's scene more feeble and slower, as it did in the hair salon scene.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

So thinking but if you remove all the stuff with Dylan and Amber, Dylan's perspective at the shower, Dylan's stuff with Marie, all Dylan's stuff with Ellie, and anything else that doesn't involve Sophia.

where would L&P be on the schedule?

Looking at it here, update 9 and 10 would be removed as it's Dylan-only events and no Sophia.

Think it's Safe to say the next update and update 8 would be out, as the time spent on the stuff I mentioned above being removed goes into updates 7 and 8.

So most likely be on day 14-morning updates with Sophia and Ellie, but since they're very small, maybe even could be at the noon event, which is the side job.

Just shows you how all the Dylan-only event stuff has slowed down things.

These are Dylan heavy days re: content.

What if we remove all the Dylan content from Sophia's trip to Zoe's ranch with Patricia?

That would change ... nothing ... since Dylan is not, according to L&P, part of that day; it is one of the days without Dylan content.

You could as easily say what if Sophia and Liam only had Ellie and Dylan died in childbirth.

One brief mourning narrative content on day 1 addresses the issue and now no Dylan.

There are lots of ways to rewrite a story L&P is telling to get content that is more related to the desires of a subset of L&P's fans or to supposedly speed development but what if someone wanted to have Ellie die in childbirth, so Dylan was the only child?

As nice as it is to say that slow speed of development is all due to Dylan's presence, that is like saying that gravity is the reason that an airliner crashed.

I suppose it is, in a sense, but I think poor maintenance or bad weather would be more likely culprits for the crash.

Presuming that removal of all these Dylan events would fix the slow development speed ignores the content L&P would add to replace it, because L&P would not leave massive holes in various PD's without any story at all to tell.

I doubt he would add 1 render and say that Sophia spent x hours at the library grading papers since this is only the kind of thing he does when the player is not on the path that has events during those time slots.

 

[tofhdns]

These are Dylan heavy days re: content.

What if we remove all the Dylan content from Sophia's trip to Zoe's ranch with Patricia?

That would change ... nothing ... since Dylan is not, according to L&P, part of that day; it is one of the days without Dylan content.

You could as easily say what if Sophia and Liam only had Ellie and Dylan died in childbirth.

One brief mourning narrative content on day 1 addresses the issue and now no Dylan.

There are lots of ways to rewrite a story L&P is telling to get content that is more related to the desires of a subset of L&P's fans or to supposedly speed development but what if someone wanted to have Ellie die in childbirth, so Dylan was the only child?

As nice as it is to say that slow speed of development is all due to Dylan's presence, that is like saying that gravity is the reason that an airliner crashed.

I suppose it is, in a sense, but I think poor maintenance or bad weather would be more likely culprits for the crash.

Presuming that removal of all these Dylan events would fix the slow development speed ignores the content L&P would add to replace it, because L&P would not leave massive holes in various PD's without any story at all to tell.

I doubt he would add 1 render and say that Sophia spent x hours at the library grading papers since this is only the kind of thing he does when the player is not on the path that has events during those time slots.

What you said is beside the point.

People aren't saying let's rebuild the game from scratch.

It also means that if the developer removes Dylan's solo story and fills the space with another story, not Sophia, the developer will not solve this problem.

People aren't saying let's get rid of the whole Dylan story.
People are saying let's get rid of some scenes that are not directly related to Sofia.

 

[Alley_Cat]

What you said is beside the point.

People aren't saying let's rebuild the game from scratch.

It also means that if the developer removes Dylan's solo story and fills the space with another story, not Sophia, the developer will not solve this problem.

People aren't saying let's get rid of the whole Dylan story.
People are saying let's get rid of some scenes that are not directly related to Sofia.

Which, some seem to be forgetting about, also includes the side jobs the old guys and the kids

 

[tofhdns]

Which, some seem to be forgetting about, also includes the side jobs the old guys and the kids

It seems to be questioning whether it helps to develop Dylan and Sophia relations.

I don't know from Sophia's point of view.

And I think the children's sex education scene could be used as a device to show how Sophia will behave to Dylan in the future.

 

[Alley_Cat]

It seems to be questioning whether it helps to develop Dylan and Sophia relations.

I don't know from Sophia's point of view.

And I think the children's sex education scene could be used as a device to show how Sophia will behave to Dylan in the future.

Except they're completely independent. It's entirely possible to be playing the nursing home side job and the Dylan route.

 

[Lion sB4]

New teaser

 

[lockerxx]

is dylan going to suck her mother boobs or see her vagina?

 

[ancienregimele]

AWAM is an adult game. Moves around the life of a wife & a mother. The goal of the game is to have the MC sexually aroused / erotically attracted to other people. If someone likes incest they follow the path where she is attracted to her family members (i.e. son, daughter, sister). If someone likes her to be a good wife, then they develop her relationship with her husband (kinky, prudent etc). If someone likes her to become an adulteress follows the path of corruption from people outside of her family. Everything happens under the MC’s POV. Anything else changes the concept of the game. I don’t dislike any of the characters perse. I don’t want their POV. It’s not why I’m following the game. IMHO all paths are interesting (from Sophia’s POV always). The game is beautiful but has too many paths open and at this pace is realistically impossible to conclude… 1 PD takes 2 years to complete means that it requires 34 years to complete the 17 remaining PDs… Is this LP’s full time job till retirement???

It's his retirement plan. He's said as much. It's an original idea & as pension schemes go, extremely innovative. (Patrons have to be happy with it, or they can leave). It's never been done before with a 3D game. That's one reason, perhaps, why things get slower.

There are fans who think it's fine that this will, in theory, last for the next 30-40 years. I surmise that they're either very self-contained tranquil beings, or think that they're definitely going to live that long, (a quite reasonable & realistic expectation for the Dev's schoolkid fans, at whom AWAM is now directed), while maintaining an ongoing interest in AWAM. I'm certain that their experience of the randomness of life is doubtful.

 

[ancienregimele]

Bennett blackmailed Sophia based on Dylan's exam and demanded sex.

He has to meet Sophia at least once in the story and is working at the same school, so it is problematic to disappear from the vote list.

Bennett, if he reappears at all, is due back once, to receive Sophia's answer. I presume it will be "no" but the Bennett story has been effectively ruined by the Dev, [& I mean thoroughly FUBAR], i.e. it's weeks since the restaurant event in San Alejo time but several years in real life. L&P said that he didn't know what to do with him. This was after an outcry from fans who had Sophia on a pedestal & couldn't stand the thought of her being blackmailed. Fucked by her own son, yes, somehow that was O.K. but...blackmailed, no. (There was no Aiden at the time). It would be a mercy if Bennett, (potentially one the best adult storylines), transferred to another school. Then he wouldn't need to be back at all. I'll still rate the restaurant scene as one of the best in AWAM.