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karleston

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LP created too many scenarios that he can't conclude in the timeline he originally set up(nobody asked him to do a game within a 30 day period btw, he created this problem himself).
I would urge to drop this concept of "playable day" we don't need to follow every single moment of Sofia in the morning, mid-day, afternoon, evening and night time... resume the days, skip to the next.
And don't set a "hard" ending date, it happens when it happens.

Also there's so many scenarios that would be best to progress the main ones and leave these for later, AWAM 2- Sofia goes wild(lol).
good point but what should he do for the previous days, the days that are already written and rendered ? You can't jump to another system mid game like that
 

LSC82

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good point but what should he do for the previous days, the days that are already written and rendered ? You can't jump to another system mid game like that
Sure you can...
I'd say just stop counting days, maybe remove the splash screens saying(day xx) from previous releases.
The days we would be getting in the future would move faster than the tightly packed ones(morning, midday...) we have up to now, but i don't think this would be too jarring of a transition.
 

tofhdns

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good point but what should he do for the previous days, the days that are already written and rendered ? You can't jump to another system mid game like that
He has already jumped the day.

And fan art has all the stories.

He's already admitted that he doesn't know how to end this storyline.

Of course, if he doesn't know where to go, he has to get someone else's help or find another way.

To tell him to stick with the status quo is not the right advice.
 
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Why putting animation? When there’s never a thing in the animation. L&P took me for stupid.
Animation in adult game should be HJ, BJ , VS, DP , AS and many more. Get your shit together L&P!
 

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What I find pretentious about your post is that you're sort of indirectly claiming that Dylan and Ellie story is not written for adults. Also, Somehow it really annoys me that some here act as if the Incest story wasn't the core of this game from the beginning. All ingnoring that the incest story starts already in the intro, when Ellie accuses her brother of looking into her cleavage. Even the title alone is more than enough indication of what this game will be about. It was just a slow burn start. So if you don't want to play an incest game, play another game. You could also choose to play the version of the game that L&P uses for patron as a facade. Here, if I understood correctly, Dylan and Ellie are not son and daughter but only the subtenants? :ROFLMAO:

Anyway, I made the effort to search in the gallery of the beginning of AWAM all scenes having either teen and/or incest content (including one scene with patrica as Sphias sister). Then when you consider that even after years of developing AWAM, Sophia has only had sex with Liam (her husband) so far, it becomes clear how ridiculous your claim is. There are about 2/3 of the scenes with content from this subject area. None of them really goes far (all somehow at most erotic) but almost all with involvement of Sophias kids. This game has not changed, the only thing that is different is that we are slowly entering the midgame. Therefore, Erotic is no longer enough, and slowly the action has to start. But AWAM is still a slow burn game, if you compare it with the average of the games here. So far, almost nothing has happened.


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AWAM currently has 22 tags & is still missing the "male protagonist" tag, which is now several years overdue. Incest is ONE of those tags. Although incest & a large teenage cast were always there & I've seen or played all the scenes you pictorially refer to, there was a time, IMO, when this story resembled a work of fiction being written by an adult. That's when it was "erotica," rather than "average teen porn." There was no reason to suppose that any of the incest storylines, or the game itself, would evolve into something clearly aimed at a youthful audience. It used to appeal to all ages, or at least that's how it seemed to me. Far from being deterred & having been a teenager myself for 8 years, including several as a virgin schoolboy, I played the Sam route & enjoyed it, for a time. That is until his latest, beautifully rendered but entirely unbelievable scene.

What you're saying is that this IS & always was a story about incest, with everything else being disposable, as the story enters the mid-game phase. It could be likened to a space-craft shedding various stages as it finally travels with only the essentials required to complete the mission. Along with everything not pertaining in some way to the 'core' of incest, erotica has had to go, so has the veneer of realism. 'Boosters' were activated, in the form of Sophia's miraculously expanded breasts, referred to from then on in the story as "the twins," (for mature fans?), which still, not surprisingly perhaps, elicit calls for further expansion. It would of course be ridiculous to compare AWAM to a space probe in that way, given the development speed but you get the idea.

At the outset there was an element of choice integral to the game. It was only much later that it became apparent that whatever choices a player made were not particularly significant in terms of what themes they elected to pursue. I foolishly assumed, back in 2018, that it would be possible to minimise the incest content. It turned out that I had to do this myself by "ducking & diving, bobbing & weaving" but I was able to achieve a satisfactory outcome, because I'm easily pleased & I played back then, for entertainment & escapism, as I would suggest most people of any age do.

What you also imply is that I should sod off & play something else, because this is an incest game for incest fans. Anyone not into this better get in step, or leave. Yes, I could choose to play DoL but everyone knows that is just a bland place-holder for Patreon purposes, not designed to be played as a porn game, let alone as an entertaining erotic story. I have pointed out several times that I no longer play AWAM itself, because there is no game left to play from my POV.

As for my "pretentious" assumption that I believe that much of AWAM is written for kids under 18, you're spot on. If that makes me pretentious then I will gladly add the term to my CV. How many adult males do you know who would refer to a woman's breasts as, "milk dispensers?" I won't labour the point by listing all the other puerile descriptions utilised by a Dev out of ideas. That's just one example where erotica disappears & average teen porn reigns. Observing the game's direction more closely, I contend that there is no way that I could possibly suggest, or "indirectly claim" that the Ellie story is not written for adults. That's because, as with so much else, Ellie's saga has been put on indefinite pause & despite her popularity, we currently have no story to make any assumptions about & havn't had for quite some time.

I had thought that, given the promising start to AWAM, incest would be handled in a style distinctive to the game's early days. Instead, we have Dylan taking a bath with his mother, while his father & a guest, (FFS), are in the house. They didn't even wait until they had the place to themselves. Liam, of course, interrupts them in L&P's trademark style but given that he's now a father figure in a teen porn story, he once again failed to suspect anything. Sex at any opportunity, guest or no guest, Dad walking in, no problem, etc. That's what teenagers do, I believe it, because that's what I did but not a mature, supposedly educated, woman of 38, with her husband & his boss downstairs. Sophia regresses age-wise to around 16-17, whenever she's in the presence of her teenage LIs. There is no credible attempt to examine her conflicted emotions, despite all her thought bubbles & "re-sets." It comes down to the 3D porn stand-by of, "how can this be so wrong, when it feels so right?" It simplifies the writing but confirms AWAM as average teen porn. It turned out that AWAM was really just about incest all along, with Sam simply a counter-weight to Dylan. Expecting Sophia to have any meaningful sexual interactions with non-related adults, i.e. characters confirmed as over 18, as the "cheating" & "corruption" tags might have suggested, proved to be an expectation too far.
 
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LP created too many scenarios that he can't conclude in the timeline he originally set up(nobody asked him to do a game within a 30 day period btw, he created this problem himself).
I would urge to drop this concept of "playable day" we don't need to follow every single moment of Sofia in the morning, mid-day, afternoon, evening and night time... resume the days, skip to the next.
And don't set a "hard" ending date, it happens when it happens.

Also there's so many scenarios that would be best to progress the main ones and leave the others for later, AWAM 2- Sofia goes wild(lol).
Agree
 
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armion82

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LP created too many scenarios that he can't conclude in the timeline he originally set up(nobody asked him to do a game within a 30 day period btw, he created this problem himself).
I would urge to drop this concept of "playable day" we don't need to follow every single moment of Sofia in the morning, mid-day, afternoon, evening and night time... resume the days, skip to the next.
And don't set a "hard" ending date, it happens when it happens.

Also there's so many scenarios that would be best to progress the main ones and leave the others for later, AWAM 2- Sofia goes wild(lol).
Won't really help.
The main ones(Sophia,Ellie,Dylan,Patricia,Sam are 80%+ of the game.
If he really increase the number of Dylan events it will be even bigger %.
Let's take for example Emma-even cutting her content won'make much a difference.
It will save us what-5/6 months.From 300-400 months or even more.The game is already 70+ months in development.
 

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AWAM currently has 22 tags & is still missing the "male protagonist" tag, which is now several years overdue. Incest is ONE of those tags. Although incest & a large teenage cast were always there & I've seen or played all the scenes you pictorially refer to, there was a time, IMO, when this story resembled a work of fiction being written by an adult. That's when it was "erotica," rather than "average teen porn." There was no reason to suppose that any of the incest storylines, or the game itself, would evolve into something clearly aimed at a youthful audience. It used to appeal to all ages, or at least that's how it seemed to me. Far from being deterred & having been a teenager myself for 8 years, including several as a virgin schoolboy, I played the Sam route & enjoyed it, for a time. That is until his latest, beautifully rendered but entirely unbelievable scene.
Just because a game has a certain tag does not mean that all tags must have the same amount of content in a game. This is not the case with AWAM or any other game here.

What a game is actually about can be seen from the description, the title and the game itself. What I was attempting to point out was where AWAM's focus has always been. When you see a title like "A wife and mother" that start with about 2/3 incest/teen content, you should have some idea of what you're getting into. That should have been clear to you from the first hour.

What you're saying is that this IS & always was a story about incest, with everything else being disposable, as the story enters the mid-game phase. It could be likened to a space-craft shedding various stages as it finally travels with only the essentials required to complete the mission. Along with everything not pertaining in some way to the 'core' of incest, erotica has had to go, so has the veneer of realism. 'Boosters' were activated, in the form of Sophia's miraculously expanded breasts, referred to from then on in the story as "the twins," (for mature fans?), which still, not surprisingly perhaps, elicit calls for further expansion. It would of course be ridiculous to compare AWAM to a space probe in that way, given the development speed but you get the idea.
No, what I'm saying is that incest/teen content has always been the essential part of the game. This content is not just a recent addition. Another strong point is clearly lesbian content (again also with strong incest part due to Ellie and Patrica). I guess, what gives you the impression of a change is only that the time has now come when something really happens and not everything is just teasing. AWAM is slowly moving into the midgame, and that of course means that something will happen in the incest part (at the latest in the end game).


At the outset there was an element of choice integral to the game. It was only much later that it became apparent that whatever choices a player made were not particularly significant in terms of what themes they elected to pursue. I foolishly assumed, back in 2018, that it would be possible to minimise the incest content. It turned out that I had to do this myself by "ducking & diving, bobbing & weaving" but I was able to achieve a satisfactory outcome, because I'm easily pleased & I played back then, for entertainment & escapism, as I would suggest most people of any age do.
It is a renpy game. The possibilities for choice have always been severely limited in this type of game due to the technology. If a develper gives the player the opportunity to dodge essential content, this will always result in a path with less to almost no content. That's just as smart as buying an ice cream cone, throwing the ice cream away and eating only the cone. :ROFLMAO:

The trick is to make it look as if there are decisions, but in the end to go down very few paths that are still closely bundled together. It's just silly to want to remove incest from an incest themed game.

What you also imply is that I should sod off & play something else, because this is an incest game for incest fans. Anyone not into this better get in step, or leave. Yes, I could choose to play DoL but everyone knows that is just a bland place-holder for Patreon purposes, not designed to be played as a porn game, let alone as an entertaining erotic story. I have pointed out several times that I no longer play AWAM itself, because there is no game left to play from my POV.
As I said, you decided to throw away about 2/3 of the game. I'm just telling you that it's not smart to play only 1/3 or less of a game.

As for my "pretentious" assumption that I believe that much of AWAM is written for kids under 18, you're spot on. If that makes me pretentious then I will gladly add the term to my CV. How many adult males do you know who would refer to a woman's breasts as, "milk dispensers?" I won't labour the point by listing all the other puerile descriptions utilised by a Dev out of ideas. That's just one example where erotica disappears & average teen porn reigns. Observing the game's direction more closely, I contend that there is no way that I could possibly suggest, or "indirectly claim" that the Ellie story is not written for adults. That's because, as with so much else, Ellie's saga has been put on indefinite pause & despite her popularity, we currently have no story to make any assumptions about & havn't had for quite some time.
Contrary to what L&P claims, AWAM has never been particularly realistic. The very first decision you make is if Sophia let Dylan sit on her lap. The second is whether or not Sophia is holding Dylan's hip. This is the slow burn start for an incest story. It's really hard for me not to completely ridicule what you're saying here, because the game you're describing has never existed.

The fact that this game is written for adults is evident from the pronographic content alone. But you should not assume 100% seriousness as a prerequisite for an target age group, that is just stupid.

I had thought that, given the promising start to AWAM, incest would be handled in a style distinctive to the game's early days. Instead, we have Dylan taking a bath with his mother, while his father & a guest, (FFS), are in the house. They didn't even wait until they had the place to themselves. Liam, of course, interrupts them in L&P's trademark style but given that he's now a father figure in a teen porn story, he once again failed to suspect anything. Sex at any opportunity, guest or no guest, Dad walking in, no problem, etc. That's what teenagers do, I believe it, because that's what I did but not a mature, supposedly educated, woman of 38, with her husband & his boss downstairs. Sophia regresses age-wise to around 16-17, whenever she's in the presence of her teenage LIs. There is no credible attempt to examine her conflicted emotions, despite all her thought bubbles & "re-sets." It comes down to the 3D porn stand-by of, "how can this be so wrong, when it feels so right?" It simplifies the writing but confirms AWAM as average teen porn. It turned out that AWAM was really just about incest all along, with Sam simply a counter-weight to Dylan. Expecting Sophia to have any meaningful sexual interactions with non-related adults, i.e. characters confirmed as over 18, as the "cheating" & "corruption" tags might have suggested, proved to be an expectation too far.
Immediately after the scene in the car follows the move-in, where Sophia has nothing better to do than to take a shower and run into the movers half-naked. Two times. If you didn't notice there, that AWAM is not to be taken 100% seriously, i can not help you. This game was never real life realistic. The only thing that changes is the intensity of the actions, as is normal and should be expected for a game based on corruption. Where there used to be a risk of someone seeing a nude breast, soon it will be about whether someone catches Sophia having sex.

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That really shouldn't surprise you now and was the goal from the beginning. My goodness, you're twisting the game here into something it never was, and then complaining that it's not any more what it never was. :LOL: This is not a smart approach to a porn game. Again, if the major kink in this game isn't for you, then just play a different game.
 
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I think the setting was wrong at the beginning, his goal is to turn Sophia into a slut in a month, which will limit the game to this summer, and it is not realistic enough, how long has Dylan been learning self-defense martial arts, and if the plot requires Dylan to fight, then can you beat many people in a few days? My suggestion is to directly delete the number of days in the game, let the game develop naturally, or even skip a month, two months, now Sam touched Sophia in the morning, went to practice in the afternoon and the student was touched again, and his son touched again in the evening, I think Sophia's mood and thoughts will adjust so quickly? It makes more sense to skip a few days
 

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I think the setting was wrong at the beginning, his goal is to turn Sophia into a slut in a month, which will limit the game to this summer, and it is not realistic enough, how long has Dylan been learning self-defense martial arts, and if the plot requires Dylan to fight, then can you beat many people in a few days? My suggestion is to directly delete the number of days in the game, let the game develop naturally, or even skip a month, two months, now Sam touched Sophia in the morning, went to practice in the afternoon and the student was touched again, and his son touched again in the evening, I think Sophia's mood and thoughts will adjust so quickly? It makes more sense to skip a few days
There are no realistic porn games. However, the story clearly also has gaps that could have been avoided. One possibility would certainly have been to extend the story to a year.

On the other hand, we should not take all this too seriously. It is and remains a porn game and will never be awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature. It's much more important that the story moves forward.
 

tofhdns

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Won't really help.
The main ones(Sophia,Ellie,Dylan,Patricia,Sam are 80%+ of the game.
If he really increase the number of Dylan events it will be even bigger %.
Let's take for example Emma-even cutting her content won'make much a difference.
It will save us what-5/6 months.From 300-400 months or even more.The game is already 70+ months in development.
I took LSC82's post to mean don't try to fill every day with events, and I think that's right.

Like a month later or a year later, narration can cut unnecessary time, and LP already has a history of doing so.

If LP reduces the overall play period by reducing unnecessary rendering, it is an effective method.

And I'll take Amber as an example.

Amber's schedule will be deleted in the next update and that will save us at least 3 months.

If LP cut down on the unnecessary rendering of Larry, Clark, and Cathy...... we could have seen more.

Also, if LP cut Aiden's 12 tasks in half, we should see a bit more rapid progress.

Considering that Aiden and Sophia have to fill their 12 schedules with exposure and touching before they have sex, I think it's really inefficient and a waste of time.
 
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