VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[ToshinRaizen]

Given the sudden slowdown in development, he *might* be at the point where the animation was planned, as he mentioned that the scene was technically difficult. So it could still be difficult even for "normal" rendering.
If we assume that the animation was related to the topical moment of the event, there are two possibilities: either they are still in the nightclub, or they have moved elsewhere.

If they are still in the nightclub, the "difficulties" could indeed be related to the many characters in the scene, the lights and so on. This also presupposes that something is happening in "public", either on the dance floor (some groping?) or in a more covered place (back on the 2nd floor or something like that). If it was the bathroom, for example, then the difficulties might be related to other things, posing or moving the characters in a confined space.

If they have left the nightclub, we can only assume that they are back at home and that the event will take place in the hot tub or pool, as it has been hinted at. We don't know how many more teasers he's going to drop before the end, but unless the next one is called "Having too much fun" that might shed some light on the matter. Let's assume for the moment that it's a hot tub.

If we look at some of the clues in part 1, we could have some skinny dipping in this one: Dylan said a couple of times that there should be no problem with bathing naked,
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***IF*** that is a hint for part 2, what/how could happen?

I see two possibilities here, one more "conservative" and one a bit bolder. In the conservative one, once home after all the fun dancing and whatnot (and possibly with a bit of alcohol), they can decide for a round 2 of a relaxing moment in the hot-tub and they go changing into their swimming suite and meet at the hot-tub. From there to get Sophia at least partially naked it would require (again) Dylan working his way up to convince Sophia to remove something as it happened in part 1. It would be easier for Sophia to give up this time because of the usual "well, what the heck, he already see them" (and, possibly with the help of the alcohol).

A "bolder" approach would be to skip the changing part. Dylan could suggest that they just go skinny dipping (as in completely naked) and then convince Sophia to go in her underwear (the classic

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). Sophia is only wearing panties (as far as we know), so she will take off her dress and go into the hot tub bare-breasted, again with the "after all, he has already seen them" and they could be partially covered by the water.

From there, things could escalate in either case, and they could both end up naked in the hot tub. The big problem with the naked part is that Sophia would be reluctant to get even partially naked outdoors because of the neighbours (and a certain peeping Tom ) or someone from the house coming out into the garden etc. So it will take some plausible excuse and reassurance to convince her.

As for the animation issue, a ***guess*** could be the water effect, which is not that trivial to produce, especially if there are bigger or deeper movements than the animation in part 1. But I'm no expert, so I'll leave it to those who know better.

So let's jump to the end (I know, I know, I'm kind of yada-yada-ing the good part ): how does it end? Will there be a "release" for one of them and then they both go back inside, or will we get the usual and inevitable interruption for the n-th time? If so, who will have the privilege this time?

• Liam sleeps like a log in the bedroom and has to get up early in the morning. He could randomly wake up, see Sophia missing and go looking for her or call her on the phone. Obviously the phone will provide another perfect opportunity for another "taking advantage" moment with Dylan exploiting of the situation while Sophia is on the phone (similar to what happened in part 1 or with the apostles during the phone call with the boss).
  
  
• Ellie is another candidate, although we don't know her whereabouts for the evening: we don't know if she's still at Christine's in this alternate storyline, or if she's still in her room from part 1. Either way, she could be the one to interrupt, whether on her way home or just wandering around the house. At this point it remains to be seen whether there will be some sort of rehash of the Sam's hot tub incident, with one of the two lovebirds trying to hide from her while the other tries to buy some time and distract her, or whether they will have to hastily compose themselves and get dressed.
  
  
• And what about... Sam? He could, for example, come home in his car, hear some noises in the neighbour's garden and try to call either Dylan or Sophia. Having him watch the whole scene from his tree house would add too much drama and complexity to the story. The scenario can be similar to Ellie's, either one of them talks to him while the other takes cover, or they both manage to compose themselves before it's too late. Of course, having Sophia talk to Sam while Dylan takes cover and listens could be problematic if Sam is having a sweet talk with Sophia.

This is just pure speculation, let's see if we get a clearer idea of the event as more teasers are released.

either we got another blue ball scene or another blue ball scene.... but hope and dream are good..

 

[merin_aspic]

Given the sudden slowdown in development

 

[lockerxx]

i want to believe because is the hot part

 

[karleston]

I am pretty sure that this event will be nowhere near sam's one. Because a lot of things just don't add up, the build up, the setup, dylan's weird behaviour, no animations...etc. But i am totally fine with that since im not really a fan of the werido. Jokes aside, we need to see sophia fucking grown men with big dicks. i am literally fed up with this incest underage kink. Hey L&P give some water to the thirsty ones man

 

[klou]

I am pretty sure that this event will be nowhere near sam's one. Because a lot of things just don't add up, the build up, the setup, dylan weird behaviour, no animations...etc. But i am totally fine with that since im not really a fan of the werido. Jokes aside, we need to see sophia with grown men with big dicks. i am literally fed up with this incest underage kink. Hey L&P give some water to the thirsty ones man

no animations?

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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[ancienregimele]

Just because a game has a certain tag does not mean that all tags must have the same amount of content in a game. This is not the case with AWAM or any other game here.

What a game is actually about can be seen from the description, the title and the game itself. What I was attempting to point out was where AWAM's focus has always been. When you see a title like "A wife and mother" that start with about 2/3 incest/teen content, you should have some idea of what you're getting into. That should have been clear to you from the first hour.



No, what I'm saying is that incest/teen content has always been the essential part of the game. This content is not just a recent addition. Another strong point is clearly lesbian content (again also with strong incest part due to Ellie and Patrica). I guess, what gives you the impression of a change is only that the time has now come when something really happens and not everything is just teasing. AWAM is slowly moving into the midgame, and that of course means that something will happen in the incest part (at the latest in the end game).




It is a renpy game. The possibilities for choice have always been severely limited in this type of game due to the technology. If a develper gives the player the opportunity to dodge essential content, this will always result in a path with less to almost no content. That's just as smart as buying an ice cream cone, throwing the ice cream away and eating only the cone.

The trick is to make it look as if there are decisions, but in the end to go down very few paths that are still closely bundled together. It's just silly to want to remove incest from an incest themed game.



As I said, you decided to throw away about 2/3 of the game. I'm just telling you that it's not smart to play only 1/3 or less of a game.



Contrary to what L&P claims, AWAM has never been particularly realistic. The very first decision you make is if Sophia let Dylan sit on her lap. The second is whether or not Sophia is holding Dylan's hip. This is the slow burn start for an incest story. It's really hard for me not to completely ridicule what you're saying here, because the game you're describing has never existed.

The fact that this game is written for adults is evident from the pronographic content alone. But you should not assume 100% seriousness as a prerequisite for an target age group, that is just stupid.



Immediately after the scene in the car follows the move-in, where Sophia has nothing better to do than to take a shower and run into the movers half-naked. Two times. If you didn't notice there, that AWAM is not to be taken 100% seriously, i can not help you. This game was never real life realistic. The only thing that changes is the intensity of the actions, as is normal and should be expected for a game based on corruption. Where there used to be a risk of someone seeing a nude breast, soon it will be about whether someone catches Sophia having sex.

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That really shouldn't surprise you now and was the goal from the beginning. My goodness, you're twisting the game here into something it never was, and then complaining that it's not any more what it never was. This is not a smart approach to a porn game. Again, if the major kink in this game isn't for you, then just play a different game.

Where did I voice an expectation that all tags for a game would mean the same amount of content for each? I didn't. I pointed out, rather, that the incest tag was one of many & that the eventual takeover of this kink, while possible, or even probable, was by no means inevitable, or discernible from the information given in L&P's mission statement/promo blurb. If any game including a MILF character with children, or with "Mother" in the title has to follow some unwritten rule to include incest, then it is just as credible to see the word "Wife" as an indicator of non-incestuous extra-marital activity, preferably from my POV with adults involved.

If we're going down the route of suggesting that I was incapable within the first hour of playing to realise what I was getting into & we are dissecting the game title, I refer you to the AWAM by-line of "How far would you go....?" AWAM not being my first corruption game, (by some margin), this phrasing suggested a facility, on the player's part, to take events &/or kinks to a distance of their choosing. This had been the case in some other examples of the genre I'd encountered. Indeed, it proved to be the case. Certainly for the blackmail it was. So, I've taken incest as far as I want to go & now paused it. Given that I've stopped playing, with nothing further to play in prospect, is not quite what I had in mind but it has certainly worked. If AWAM had been as incest-focussed as you maintain, I wouldn't have played it from 2018 to 2022.

What I was after, (& for a time found), was a game with a quality of renders & writing above the level of trash porn. That's not pretention talking, just a result of the fact that I've already seen & read enough trash, which has a place & serves a purpose but wasn't meant to be what AWAM was about, if you read L&P's mission statement. I've also seen & read some good erotic stories & look forward to someone's efforts in outdoing AWAM. 3D is a perfect medium to tell a story, whether erotica or trash porn.

I maintain that the game possessed a veneer of realism & I've always been at pains to use the term, "veneer," because nobody with experience of playing 3D porn games expects to encounter true-life realism. That veneer could have been augmented in simple ways, e.g. Sophia being seen in the same outfit more than once, which would not have wasted time. L&P chose not to do this but instead to create so many routes & branches, that the veneer started to wear away. As a case in point, the current PD13 can be cited, i.e. after the day she's had Sophia is now in 'groovy chick' mode at a nightclub. How does she fit it all in? Where does she get the energy? ....& the day is far from over. No-one needs to view the characters changing appearances in order to know that any realism present has been gone for some time. Yet, it must be remembered that realism was a key original selling point & was promoted by L&P. I certainly "bought into" it, because back in 2018 I had no reason to doubt the Dev's word.

Regarding wanting to "remove incest from an incest-themed game," I've never suggested this in 5+ years of AWAM following. I don't put my own tastes above those of other fans in that way, although I've been on the receiving end of it numerous times. What I would have liked would have been a better balance of the various kinks crammed into the game. This might have been possible with a few less routes & branches, along with an end to duplication but that's another ship that never left dry-dock.

When it comes to the target audience, surely the best indicator of the group to appeal to, that must make the most business sense, is to be found in the promotion of Dylan to "joint MC." I freely admit that I never saw that coming. What juvenile terms will be used to describe Sophia's vagina, I wonder? Will they match the breast-focussed scene at the salon? That's assuming Dylan passes Sam in their virgin schoolboy race. "Love box," "honey hole," "garden of delights," are just 3 for L&P to ponder. There are many more with far greater obscene connotations. How far will he get? Well, at least we know he's already had a good time with the "fun-bags."

 

[Alley_Cat]

Where did I voice an expectation that all tags for a game would mean the same amount of content for each? I didn't. I pointed out, rather, that the incest tag was one of many & that the eventual takeover of this kink, while possible, or even probable, was by no means inevitable, or discernible from the information given in L&P's mission statement/promo blurb. If any game including a MILF character with children, or with "Mother" in the title has to follow some unwritten rule to include incest, then it is just as credible to see the word "Wife" as an indicator of non-incestuous extra-marital activity, preferably from my POV with adults involved.

If we're going down the route of suggesting that I was incapable within the first hour of playing to realise what I was getting into & we are dissecting the game title, I refer you to the AWAM by-line of "How far would you go....?" AWAM not being my first corruption game, (by some margin), this phrasing suggested a facility, on the player's part, to take events &/or kinks to a distance of their choosing. This had been the case in some other examples of the genre I'd encountered. Indeed, it proved to be the case. Certainly for the blackmail it was. So, I've taken incest as far as I want to go & now paused it. Given that I've stopped playing, with nothing further to play in prospect, is not quite what I had in mind but it has certainly worked. If AWAM had been as incest-focussed as you maintain, I wouldn't have played it from 2018 to 2022.

What I was after, (& for a time found), was a game with a quality of renders & writing above the level of trash porn. That's not pretention talking, just a result of the fact that I've already seen & read enough trash, which has a place & serves a purpose but wasn't meant to be what AWAM was about, if you read L&P's mission statement. I've also seen & read some good erotic stories & look forward to someone's efforts in outdoing AWAM. 3D is a perfect medium to tell a story, whether erotica or trash porn.

I maintain that the game possessed a veneer of realism & I've always been at pains to use the term, "veneer," because nobody with experience of playing 3D porn games expects to encounter true-life realism. That veneer could have been augmented in simple ways, e.g. Sophia being seen in the same outfit more than once, which would not have wasted time. L&P chose not to do this but instead to create so many routes & branches, that the veneer started to wear away. As a case in point, the current PD13 can be cited, i.e. after the day she's had Sophia is now in 'groovy chick' mode at a nightclub. How does she fit it all in? Where does she get the energy? ....& the day is far from over. No-one needs to view the characters changing appearances in order to know that any realism present has been gone for some time. Yet, it must be remembered that realism was a key original selling point & was promoted by L&P. I certainly "bought into" it, because back in 2018 I had no reason to doubt the Dev's word.

Regarding wanting to "remove incest from an incest-themed game," I've never suggested this in 5+ years of AWAM following. I don't put my own tastes above those of other fans in that way, although I've been on the receiving end of it numerous times. What I would have liked would have been a better balance of the various kinks crammed into the game. This might have been possible with a few less routes & branches, along with an end to duplication but that's another ship that never left dry-dock.

When it comes to the target audience, surely the best indicator of the group to appeal to, that must make the most business sense, is to be found in the promotion of Dylan to "joint MC." I freely admit that I never saw that coming. What juvenile terms will be used to describe Sophia's vagina, I wonder? Will they match the breast-focussed scene at the salon? That's assuming Dylan passes Sam in their virgin schoolboy race. "Love box," "honey hole," "garden of delights," are just 3 for L&P to ponder. There are many more with far greater obscene connotations. How far will he get? Well, at least we know he's already had a good time with the "fun-bags."

I think what may have also clouded things was that at the start of the production of the game, the Dylan route was intrinsically linked to the blackmail and corruption kinks. Dylan was the instigator of Aiden's blackmail. There was no romance, but the gradual coercion of Sophia in Aiden's tasks with the ultimate degradation of her being so broken that she becomes willing to have sex with her son.

But then (I presume) L&P discovered that the M/S fans were an underestimated resource, so tempered down Dylan's role in the blackmail, and ultimately removed his involvement entirely. And added all the different paths for Dylan fans, like Amber, Marie and the bonus storyline.

Which I think is why so many now are complaining that the game is so nonsensical and appears that L&P hasn't written the script and is making things up as he is going along. Because for the Dylan route - he is.

 

[tofhdns]

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This is all of the spanking LP showed us.

Either this is a scam or his level.

I don't know what to expect.

I hope he at least cleaned up the tags a bit.

 

[AlfredBundy4]

I am pretty sure that this event will be nowhere near sam's one. Because a lot of things just don't add up, the build up, the setup, dylan weird behaviour, no animations...etc. But i am totally fine with that since im not really a fan of the werido. Jokes aside, we need to see sophia fucking grown men with big dicks. i am literally fed up with this incest underage kink. Hey L&P give some water to the thirsty ones man

I hate to break it to you but this dev's kink/fetish is young boys fucking grown women. All of his work that can be found pre-AWAM (or roughly the same time) has that aspect to it. All of it.
He created it to be mainly about two boys fucking a hot milf. He had to age them up (just look how young they are when this started) but they are meant to be boys fucking a milf. He then added more, younger boys she has to give "sex ed" to.

Point being that adult men fucking Sophia is secondary, short of the fucking of the husband which really represents the earliest sexual content he could give out without blowing the load early.
So I'd bet on any grown man fucking her being blatantly secondary compared to the son, Sam, maybe even Aiden and the sex ed boys.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I think what may have also clouded things was that at the start of the production of the game, the Dylan route was intrinsically linked to the blackmail and corruption kinks. Dylan was the instigator of Aiden's blackmail. There was no romance, but the gradual coercion of Sophia in Aiden's tasks with the ultimate degradation of her being so broken that she becomes willing to have sex with her son.

But then (I presume) L&P discovered that the M/S fans were an underestimated resource, so tempered down Dylan's role in the blackmail, and ultimately removed his involvement entirely. And added all the different paths for Dylan fans, like Amber, Marie and the bonus storyline.

Which I think is why so many now are complaining that the game is so nonsensical and appears that L&P hasn't written the script and is making things up as he is going along. Because for the Dylan route - he is.

It would be nice to play the game with fresh eyes, because I suspect that a new player will get whiplash. To an extent I think it's understandable that the game and story have been adapted. Sometimes your best laid plans give way to new ideas that work better. But largely I think we've seen L&P slowly abandon his original ideas. It starts with one change that then becomes two, and keeps exponentially growing. Liam is dropped as a second MC, Bennett is written out of the game mid-storyline, Dylan's Twist is removed haphazardly, the first side job is MIA for years and supplanted with the second side job with an extremely fast progression, etc. Many of the original ideas for the game have been left to languish or written out entirely, and replaced with ideas that feel halfbaked. It would be awesome if L&P were more transparent with his development because I think the meta discussion about the development would be fascinating. But he'll go to the grave insisting that everything was always planned out.

 

[Deniroeste]

I think what may have also clouded things was that at the start of the production of the game, the Dylan route was intrinsically linked to the blackmail and corruption kinks. Dylan was the instigator of Aiden's blackmail. There was no romance, but the gradual coercion of Sophia in Aiden's tasks with the ultimate degradation of her being so broken that she becomes willing to have sex with her son.



I think you have hit the point perfectly. It was a "logical" path (within what is expected in a porn game) and that path opened up a huge diversity of very erotic scenarios. Also, Dylan's (psychiatric) personality necessarily fit that path that you point out perfectly.

 

[菊花献给党]

Photoshop+Programming/Translation shouldn't take more than 2 weeks tops, especially considering that this update is smaller than the previous one. If we were to assume that his progress bars make 5% jumps a day (alternating), Created Scenes+Rendered scenes should theoretically be done within 8 days. If that's the case (and that's a big if), a release could be expected around 29th of July. That said, even 8 days is a massive joke since he should never take an extra day just to render a couple images, but that's L&P in a nutshell for you...the bars are, atleast in my opinion, meaningless and don't represent the actual progress made.

Since most people probably expect a release in July at this point, L&P will likely end up with more subscribers towards the end of this month. And knowing L&P, it is a fair assumption that he might postpone it to the beginning of August to maximize profits as many people who subscribe this month for the update would otherwise drop out in August. That could easily end up being a "little bonus" worth 4 figures. A pretty questionable bonus at that.

Let's have a little more confidence in the author

 

[Alley_Cat]

It would be nice to play the game with fresh eyes, because I suspect that a new player will get whiplash. To an extent I think it's understandable that the game and story have been adapted. Sometimes your best laid plans give way to new ideas that work better. But largely I think we've seen L&P slowly abandon his original ideas. It starts with one change that then becomes two, and keeps exponentially growing. Liam is dropped as a second MC, Bennett is written out of the game mid-storyline, Dylan's Twist is removed haphazardly, the first side job is MIA for years and supplanted with the second side job with an extremely fast progression, etc. Many of the original ideas for the game have been left to languish or written out entirely, and replaced with ideas that feel halfbaked. It would be awesome if L&P were more transparent with his development because I think the meta discussion about the development would be fascinating. But he'll go to the grave insisting that everything was always planned out.

I'm still waiting for Julia's performance of Midsommer Night's Dream (mentioned Day 1!!), and Ellie's performance at the Community Centre. Alas, I think fan art is the only chance I'll have of seeing them, since it appears L&P has completely forgotten they were a thing.

 

[karleston]

All of his work that can be found pre-AWAM (or roughly the same time) has that aspect to it. All of it.

Wdym by that, he did another game before AWAM ?

 

[LucidLover]

Wdym by that, he did another game before AWAM ?

Yeah lol even I want to know

 

[BulgariAMARA]

All of his work that can be found pre-AWAM (or roughly the same time) has that aspect to it. All of it.

Tell me, please, where can I see his previous works?

 

[Deleted member 4420830]

That is not twisted logic because your opinion will not change how he thinks about how he is writing his story or describing it. You can disagree with it, but again it doesn't change the fact that he believes he is writing something in terms of "realistic" and is sharing as a "realistic" AV.

Your opinion is altering the foundation of how he describes his AV so you can enjoy it as a Porn Game.

This is why I send him questions about certain things in the game that I question are realistic because although my opinion is the "realistic" train left the station long ago, I would like to know how he came to believe that what he wrote is realistic.



Again an opinion; you won't understand the mindset he used to write his story and why he uses the choice of words like "realistic" to describe his story. As I said in another post, readers who read his about page will use that as a foundation of what to expect in the story.

However, if you don't ask or question him about it, that is your choice.



Did you read my comment about Dylan and Ellie? It wasn't about realism. It was about a chronological sequence of events to allow the reader to understand how the character went from point A to point B. Sophia/Ellie's and Sophia/Sam's arcs clearly show a path of attraction with them and why it leads to where it is now in their arc. However, with Dylan, this is no sequence. I used this pattern in past postings to explain how their story is being told.

Sophia/Ellie - 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.6
Sophia/Sam - 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.6

Sophia/Dylan - 1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.5.1..... 5 = PD 13 Event 1



I have to disagree with your assessment here. My logic is on point; I'm just not allowing my opinion to alter it. This is why I question his writing and have him explain to me why he wrote it in the manner he did, so it comes from him directly, which helps me understand how he writes.



The story will grow, but how much sense will it make when it grows with Sophia/Dylan? I only see major plot holes forming or getting larger. I believe this is the remnants of "The Twist" that he removed, and now he's trying to write a story that fits the new narrative. He changed the dynamics of Dylan's character, as it was believed at the time of The Twist, from an antagonist to something else not to upset the Sophia/Dylan fans.

Dylan does not possess the cuteness of a shota, nor the handsomeness of being taller than his mother, and how he attracts those female characters in the game, not to mention his mother, is simply unrealistic.

 

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