Alley_Cat

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I don't remember anyone doubting that the update might be hot. People explicitly said that the point of dissatisfaction is that:
- third-rate characters have updates with 600+ renders while important stories with Sophia night be discontinued AND
- the update is coming out very slow.
This update has Dylan in it. It's going to be glacially cold. Both in content and update speed.

I haven't said it before because I thought it went without saying. Should be fucking obvious by now.
 
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tofhdns

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Oh, come on. These are supposed to be normal girls, not professional porn actresses. And what else should be used, mustard or paint?
If we were in the "Naughty Lyanna" game, one of the girls would be running around the block naked by now, but we're not.
This is also not a fight between hostile women, but a little catfight that will get a little out of hand. And it's not about sexual interactions, but about humiliating the other.
That's why it's not fun and people are disappointed.

These girls won't just play with cream naked.
These girls wouldn't even seduce Dylan with that.

I don't know what this developer wants to show.

Would players be happy to see two college students having fun stealing something from a high school student?

The developer probably spent half of the entire rendering creating Dylan's entrance into Christine's house.

And this developer would have used up another half of the remaining rendering just to create little scenes like spinning the bottle and stealing the cream.
Maybe there will be pillow fights and dance battles.

Is all this necessary for the story?

Now, will the update end if Dylan saves Ellie who is in trouble, Christine compensates Dylan for this, and Ellie gets jealous when she sees Dylan and Christine together and cries while complaining to Sophia?

Who is the main character now? Ellie?
 

Turret

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That's why it's not fun and people are disappointed.

These girls won't just play with cream naked.
These girls wouldn't even seduce Dylan with that.

I don't know what this developer wants to show.

Would players be happy to see two college students having fun stealing something from a high school student?

The developer probably spent half of the entire rendering creating Dylan's entrance into Christine's house.

And this developer would have used up another half of the remaining rendering just to create little scenes like spinning the bottle and stealing the cream.
Maybe there will be pillow fights and dance battles.

Is all this necessary for the story?

Now, will the update end if Dylan saves Ellie who is in trouble, Christine compensates Dylan for this, and Ellie gets jealous when she sees Dylan and Christine together and cries while complaining to Sophia?

Who is the main character now? Ellie?
I see your point here! I would like for this event to be hot and meaningful! For instance, if Dylan and Christine become a couple this would be a very nice end for Dylan´s storyline where he does not pursue his Mom. Likewise for Ellie and even a threesome Christine/Ellie/Dylan.
What we all do not need is Dylan and/or Ellie with the two new girls outside this event, girls we do not know, that is simply widening the sidestories. We know Ellie and Christine and their story with Dylan is the main point with potential.
But I fear L&P blows this chance with too much random girls stuff.
 

Talcum Powder

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Oh, come on. These are supposed to be normal girls, not professional porn actresses. And what else should be used, mustard or paint?
If we were in the "Naughty Lyanna" game, one of the girls would be running around the block naked by now, but we're not.
This is also not a fight between hostile women, but a little catfight that will get a little out of hand. And it's not about sexual interactions, but about humiliating the other.
I've been to enough parties in high school and college to know that this is a realistic scenario. Jello, whipped cream, body shots, fellating fruit, whatever. It happens. I get it, but that is not the reason for my exasperation.

The reason is we have a [legal in your jurisdiction] year old male MC partying with four girls, so obviously teasing and sexual hijinks, however tame, must ensue. It's just such boring and unoriginal bullshit.

But I've said it before...
 

tofhdns

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I see your point here! I would like for this event to be hot and meaningful! For instance, if Dylan and Christine become a couple this would be a very nice end for Dylan´s storyline where he does not pursue his Mom. Likewise for Ellie and even a threesome Christine/Ellie/Dylan.
What we all do not need is Dylan and/or Ellie with the two new girls outside this event, girls we do not know, that is simply widening the sidestories. We know Ellie and Christine and their story with Dylan is the main point with potential.
But I fear L&P blows this chance with too much random girls stuff.
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Dr.SigmundFap

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I've been to enough parties in high school and college to know that this is a realistic scenario. Jello, whipped cream, body shots, fellating fruit, whatever. It happens. I get it, but that is not the reason for my exasperation.

The reason is we have a [legal in your jurisdiction] year old male MC partying with four girls, so obviously teasing and sexual hijinks, however tame, must ensue. It's just such boring and unoriginal bullshit.

But I've said it before...
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-190-lust-passion.5944/post-5597879

Talcum's Quote:
"See, that's a great story line, but it's not Sophia's story line and that is where I want this story to focus."
"Sorry Atton563 and any other Dylan enthusiasts, but fuck that."

:ROFLMAO:


I hate to break this to you, but L&P disagrees with you.

L&P's Quote: "Sophia doesn't need to be in every update. The story is so huge that it will become boring to see her over and over again, and a time out can be soothing. I mean how many events can you count where Sophia wasn't part of? It's actually just the Dylan/Ellie storyline which doesn't happen that frequently."

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As far as the boring and unoriginal comment, it's been like that for the last 6 years, so this shouldn't be new.
 

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https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-190-lust-passion.5944/post-5597879

Talcum's Quote:
"See, that's a great story line, but it's not Sophia's story line and that is where I want this story to focus."
"Sorry Atton563 and any other Dylan enthusiasts, but fuck that."

:ROFLMAO:


I hate to break this to you, but L&P disagrees with you.

L&P's Quote: "Sophia doesn't need to be in every update. The story is so huge that it will become boring to see her over and over again, and a time out can be soothing. I mean how many events can you count where Sophia wasn't part of? It's actually just the Dylan/Ellie storyline which doesn't happen that frequently."
[snip]
As far as the boring and unoriginal comment, it's been like that for the last 6 years, so this shouldn't be new.
I know, I'm on here a lot, this isn't new news to me.

While we've got a moment to spare (more like three months by my reckoning) let me just correct this quote:
"Sophia doesn't need to be in every update. The story is so huge that it will become boring to see her over and over again, and a time out can be soothing. I mean how many events can you count where Sophia wasn't part of? It's actually just the Dylan/Ellie storyline which doesn't happen that frequently. [without her]."
 
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L&P's Quote: "Sophia doesn't need to be in every update. The story is so huge that it will become boring to see her over and over again, and a time out can be soothing. I mean how many events can you count where Sophia wasn't part of? It's actually just the Dylan/Ellie storyline which doesn't happen that frequently."
He's not exactly wrong.



But it's all irrelevant when reality hits regarding how often an update releases and when this game will likely be finished.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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He's not exactly wrong.



But it's all irrelevant when reality hits regarding how often an update releases and when this game will likely be finished.
Right now, he has to be satisfied with his revenue, although it has been stagnant. Unless something happens that his Patreon-paid members start declining, This is the format he is sticking with. Most of his vocal members have been very supportive, but he does have a few who criticize him for the production time.
 

ancienregimele

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It could have just been a facepalm, but then you might have assumed it was about contradicting the legitimate criticism of L&.
I absolutely would have done. 'It's (relatively) easy to criticise" but it's easier still to criticise a critic, especially with a passive/aggressive facepalm kneejerk reaction. There's a lack of understanding evident in some comments on this thread, following my often deliberately provocative postings. I get sick of the "when's the sex starting?," "when's the next update?," questions etc., although I'd defend those commentators rights to post them. Forums as busy as this demand to be kept lively, with a range of views & questions. This is especially so in light of the Dev's choice to be sparing in his communications.

[NB Essential Info. To whom it may concern. Bored by long postings? Don't like to read too much? No problem. Scroll on now].

I do write sarcastically but also, (I like to think), while preserving some sense of humour regarding what is, after all, just a game. It's not as important as say, football (soccer), when it comes to entertainment. I want the Dev to appreciate that there are dissenting voices amongst the fanbase, or ex-fanbase in this case.

'What he started 6 years ago & proceeded to create imaginatively was great, now it's not,' would be a simpler way to convey my thoughts but that would be boring. (Yes, I also know many supporters are bored by my commentary but that's free-ish speech for you. Without naming names, the feeling is probably mutual). Speaking of free speech, I always attempt to maintain a relative level of politeness. What I really think of the latest developments would be unacceptable to state here, unprintable in polite society & could see me suspended again.

How what I say "doesn't gain any truth," I'm not sure. Does repetition, whether sarcastically delivered or not, make it not so? Where physical characteristics are concerned, I do object strongly to these being radically altered part way through proceedings, even during an event. I've only played one other corruption game, (maybe 8 years ago), where this occurred & it was specifically written into the story as the result of plastic surgery. [That time, I & others were successful in having the alteration installed as a game choice for players. Result... satisfaction all round]. Other AWAM-inspired games such as Project Myriam & Mrs Denvers began with top-heavy, simplistically stereotypical "Mom" figures. I don't play those two now but the MC's breasts are so huge that there shouldn't, presumably, be a need to expand but what if some young fans want them inflated some more?

Sophia always had a large bust & a well-rounded figure but crucially, she was both proportionate & elegant. Sports & exercise activities she's shown as undertaking, which I've listed elsewhere several times, should preclude her from having mammoth mammaries. Those things exist because kids like them & sod the 'realism.' Someone with her money would pay to have them reduced IMO. I've had partners similarly endowed who wished they'd had the funds to do exactly that. Perhaps most fans have never spent an 'interesting' day looking for a dealer/fitter/tailor in specialist bras? I have.

As for Dylan & his reverse "Dorian Grey" effect, we have someone who began the game looking about 10-11 years old. That he had to 'age up' in order to clear the barriers of DoL & (possibly) Steam, I'm well aware of but why then go too far? Someone who looked like Dylan, (or Sam), would have some problems with girls, (as we all do, or did) but certainly none greater than the ordinary teens of their generation & they would be nothing to do with physical attraction. We're talking looks & talent, above the average. Unless things have radically altered since I was a teenager, that's a good combination to attract the opposite sex, not forgetting opportunities to leave virginity behind. Why pretend that for these 2, different rules apply? Why no or few girlfriends? Was it all just so Dylan 'needed' sex education? Except, that for Dylan, at least, his newly chiselled appearance has turned him into Mr. Cool & Confident, King of the San Alejo nightclub scene, able to face down clubbers & display his mother's arse to the room. [Almost 20 years in nightclubs throughout the land & I've never seen that done]. What a man/athlete/boy. It's not so much "Dorian Grey," more "Jekyll & Hyde." If there was a problem with Dylan & Sam's original looks, there's no wonder the shota will have to go before a Steam launch. It's departure may have little to do with 'speeding up.'

Sophia, Dylan & Sam have all had noticeable alterations to their characters, which I would contend are, if anything, even more unrealistic, in Sophia & Dylan's cases, than their physical changes. Sophia has become progressively more bimbo-brained in the presence of handsome teenagers, oddly, it seems, in direct proportion to her helium intake. She's an inflated object & little else. Sam has the super-power of 'hidden talents,' while Dylan has become an adult, in everything but actual age.

This inevitably leads to the question of retcon & retro-fitting, of which AWAM now contains a fair amount. Are we going to see Dylan & Sam retro-fitted to look as they do now? It's been years for us but only months for them. Am I the only one who finds that radical changes to a character's looks, (along with many other AWAM developments), destroys immersion? If so, I'll happily exist in a minority of one, because that's what I experience as a result. Considering Sophia, who used to have a similar breast size to her sister when seen together, is she now to be shown several sizes bigger from the start? I doubt it, it would be too much work.

So, with so many alterations to the game, I'll continue in the view that AWAM has been spoiled. Happy playing to those fans who still find this great.
 
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It looks like Philly has completed 67 static renders and 3 animations in the last week. Overall, that brings his average to ~56 renders and 4.1 animations per week since Chapter 14 launched.
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There's an interesting info, borrowed from a CoBD thread. Idk if PhillyGames are a team or not but it's interesting to juxtapose him/them vs L&P. The most impressive thing is that Philly creating a whopping 4 animations per week compared to crazy-bad-shit 3 animations per the upcoming update.

If I'm not mistaken, our God and saviour is cooking up around 4-5 renders per day, that's 28-35 per week, which is roughly 40-50% less than the other team and renders from CoBD are on AWAM's level.

On a final note, it's nice to see that both threads have passionate fans, ready to gather stats in a form of numbers/data. Kudos to them.
 

karleston

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There's an interesting info, borrowed from a CoBD thread. Idk if PhillyGames are a team or not but it's interesting to juxtapose him/them vs L&P. The most impressive thing is that Philly creating a whopping 4 animations per week compared to crazy-bad-shit 3 animations per the upcoming update.

If I'm not mistaken, our God and saviour is cooking up around 4-5 renders per day, that's 28-35 per week, which is roughly 40-50% less than the other team and renders from CoBD are on AWAM's level.

On a final note, it's nice to see that both threads have passionate fans, ready to gather stats in a form of numbers/data. Kudos to them.
Comparing apples and oranges. COBD doesn't match up to Awam in terms of visuals and animation quality. While the story may be decent, the graphics fall short compared to Awam
 
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