VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[DarthSpitz717]

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For what it's worth I saw on YouTube "A wife and Mother" 15 a Q&A with the developer. I suppose there are YouTube channels devoted to the game, but I don't know if these interview ones are just blowing smoke or fan fiction at work

 

[neronx]

Let me honestly about this new coming update. I am not really into that teen children sex stuffs and I will not endorse it. Not that I will condemn people for like that kind of stuffs, but, sex stuffs with too young childrens is something saw by me as "pedophily".
I known that in some countries around the world, in some cultures, sex with teenages below 14 years old is something ok, but not in my country and not by me.

So, guys, I'll skip this update.

you are from brazil
Brazil is the center of the world's best butts.

 

[Kurious2some]

Hmm, Newton 3rd law, interesting argumentation. Can I counter this with Newton's 2nd law and bring mass into play? It makes a difference whether I want to see a story element removed that only has a few fans, or one that is interesting for the majority of players.

No matter how you slice it, the side story about the pensioners in the retirement home is the perfect candidate for deletion. Not many fans, no impact on the main story line and not even providing a deeper insight into Sophia, or on of the other main characters. If L&P had wanted to do something with this storyline, one possibility would have been to make one of the gentlemen Liam's father. Not a side job for Sophia, but a way to show that she looks after the family, etc. It would also be possible to find out more about Liam in the context of some of Sophia visits there, or for Dylan and/or Ellie see something they shouldn't have seen if they happened to be visiting at the same time. But none of that is in the game, and as it stands, especially with so little AWAM development progress over all this years in general, it's time to delete the old guys, I think. More focus on the main story and not so much unnecessary waste of time.

Ummmm.... no, I can't agree with that.

If you read L&P original concept for AWAM (it actually has another name... Choices of Life..or something like that), it is about Sophia's pending journey through options. Which will she choose.
It was never about a highway to one particular route.
And, as I stated, the old gents fits with Sophia's first foray into her sexual evolution, which has since been repressed.
Really don't see how flirting with the old postman, and the old gents doesn't fit but if with Liam's dad, it would???
Why is it different if suddenly, Liam's Dad? (It's a rhetorical question - please no one answer)

Yes, there are a lot of these elements throughout the story so far, be them side quests or not, that flag or develop certain aspects or attributes that Sophia may have, or suppressed, or develop.
And yes, right now it is an absolute mess...like I suggested L&P failure to deliver (or even foresee the need to deliver) balanced story line stages, at a decent pace is the true problem.
And, if he wanted to end it quick, he could absolutely streamline it.... but we all know he doesn't want to end it fast.

Now maybe L&P has bit off more than he can chew.
There are a heap of early directions currently under-developed: Pure good wife, swinging with the newly weds, Amber and Neil or Patricia and Carl, Bad boy attraction to the Morellos, Exhibitionism (early modelling nude for Liam, the lingere and alter ego for Liam and then boys photoshoot, art workshop, nude with Cello, poolside with girls, numerous showers with family, the classroom trials), Feminine attractions, Feeling young again (museum boys, Sam band and courtship), interracial, Dom vs Sub (Aiden and Bennet elements) ..... I am not going to mention everything possible.. there are lots missed out and not by meaning or preference (so apologies to all) but it remains fact that all of these relate to possible Sophia evolutions.

I don't know if L&P will ever pull off putting this together but elements that evolve Sophia shouuld stay and be empowered to enhance the story.

If you want to streamline, cut out the crap that does not include Sophia.
The Marie laundromat scene and PJ party are very sexy and all but NOTHING to do with Sophia storyline or development.
I truly do not give two hoots about Dylan getting it on with Ellie or her friends.
Sophia at the PJ party though.... HELLO!!!! Could have been some girl on girl fun...hell, even some returning boyfriend fun...

I truly love that this forum has a lot of passionate people. There is something about Sophia and AWAM that ticks our collective boxes and that is, in a crazy way, a beautiful thing.
Yes, there are some kinks in there... some things taboo and naughty.
And some things of pure fantasty.
It has spawned many spin-off projects and years of debate.
Sounds almost Shakespearean..... except for the part when you realize how organized and faster old William was at weaving a tale....

Ultimately, we all want this to be perfect and we all have our own personal idea of perfect.
Hopefully, it eventually delivers, for all of us.... AND FASTER L&P.

Peace All

 

[Adhdclassic]

this game is supposed to be a slow burn which it is not. Slow burn ex 4 paths and you take your time in those paths to get to the destination without losing the story or your audiences attention. this is a ball of rubber bands started off with 4 then after a couple of years added 4 more irrelevant things then year later added 4 more to the point the story went from 350 degrees to 175. either kill stories or close them up quickly. the grandpa and pedo(sorry that's what I think when I see the sex ed class) scenes close them. the thug shit drop it. the gym shit drop it shouldn't even been added. do the school shit and the close to home shit. game is unnecessarily being drawn out. there is too much going on without a clear direction. just my opinion.

 

[トルフィン]

What could possibly make those boys ignore her?

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[Alley_Cat]

The biggest issue I currently have with this game is that the story arc doesn't make much sense when you stop and think about how a mother should feel or think in certain scenarios. For example, how Sophia is with Ellie vs how she is with Dylan.

Let's start with Ellie. She's her daughter and what she does with her is considered incest. Incest is bad no matter if you commit it with your daughter, your son, or your nephew or niece, hell even with your freakin' grandma or grandpa! She just ate her daughter's pussy clean and after she did she said to Ellie that she didn't regret it...???

Now with Dylan, she just jerked him off and here comes all the remorse in the world and that she's a bad mother and that it's incest and yaddy yaddy yaddah! Does she think what she did with Ellie is not incest because she's a woman? How does it not apply to both her children and just one of them? And the one that she feels remorse with just happens to have a dick.

Storytelling to me is the first thing that I look at in any Visual Novel that I play, while I enjoy the Visual part of the game, the novel freaking sucks and is all over the place! If the game dev reads this, hmu if you want a writer that will help your story make some sense.

Peace

That Ellie and Dylan are different genders is much of the point. Like how, at least originally, adultery was only for a wife sleeping with a man who wasn't her husband. It was the possibility of adulterating the husband's bloodline that was the issue.

Ellie and Dylan have different personalities, which is also a factor. The first Ellie event is her reassuringly Sophia that she's still an attractive woman. And several times during the route.

Sure, the Ellie and Patricia routes are still incest, but the consequences are entirely different

 

[Adhdclassic]

What could possibly make those boys ignore her?

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probably the fact their still boys. if they were men well....bring me a sandwich.

 

[Couto25]

That Ellie and Dylan are different genders is much of the point. Like how, at least originally, adultery was only for a wife sleeping with a man who wasn't her husband. It was the possibility of adulterating the husband's bloodline that was the issue.

Ellie and Dylan have different personalities, which is also a factor. The first Ellie event is her reassuringly Sophia that she's still an attractive woman. And several times during the route.

Sure, the Ellie and Patricia routes are still incest, but the consequences are entirely different

Na the main reason is probably lesbian and kid lover lobbies. We reached to the point where Sophia is enjoying group orgies....but nothing for Dylan Sam Aiden etc.....her first crushes.
I thought after part 1 that if there will be any group sex , probably it'll start with Dylan and Sam...but nope..it's tutoring kids, gym, sauna ...story is lost completely. Like howcome she can open upto giving group hj to tutoring kids before Dylan and Sam together.

 

[Sabertooth__]

He's probably afraid to give us any clues about the plot.

I thought that could be one possibility. That maybe there is something in the background that gives away a spoiler, but given the number of images and the varied angles he can use for his images, I doubt it is that.

And that surprises you?!

Not a lot but yes, I feel it is a bit excessive to hide the background even though the boys aren't in the frame.

 

[Anastasia Chepeleva]

A good game and a very interesting plot

 

[MaliPizdek]

i hope she shows them her pussy... maybe they can even touch it

 

[DylansMoM_001]

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There's only 1 animation this time

 

[Taker Fan]

There's only 1 animation this time

Only one? Maybe her Hands... if you know what I mean.

 

[alex21andr]

What could possibly make those boys ignore her?

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possibly the contents of the bag

 

[TammyVeriyan]

So what will get kids this time, handjob or blowjob or something else?

Handjob obviously. She should give all the characters handjob before moving to Blowjob. Thats what L&P’s idea.(even though it doesnt seem real)

 

[Jansen]

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Oh man this is going to me an interesting update!!

 

[jack.the.tripper]

Im not into shota too, but i like to See how Sophia is getting more corrupted in this Update. I like her to get exposed in front of other.
And if some people dont like this Update, skip it.
Its only a Digital Art comic game.
No one is real in this game!!!

 

[immassman]

The biggest issue I currently have with this game is that the story arc doesn't make much sense when you stop and think about how a mother should feel or think in certain scenarios. For example, how Sophia is with Ellie vs how she is with Dylan.

Let's start with Ellie. She's her daughter and what she does with her is considered incest. Incest is bad no matter if you commit it with your daughter, your son, or your nephew or niece, hell even with your freakin' grandma or grandpa! She just ate her daughter's pussy clean and after she did she said to Ellie that she didn't regret it...???

Now with Dylan, she just jerked him off and here comes all the remorse in the world and that she's a bad mother and that it's incest and yaddy yaddy yaddah! Does she think what she did with Ellie is not incest because she's a woman? How does it not apply to both her children and just one of them? And the one that she feels remorse with just happens to have a dick.

Storytelling to me is the first thing that I look at in any Visual Novel that I play, while I enjoy the Visual part of the game, the novel freaking sucks and is all over the place! If the game dev reads this, hmu if you want a writer that will help your story make some sense.

Peace

this ain't a movie, you are taking it too seriously, really? that is your biggest issue? you don't have a problem of the fact that after 7 years the most she has done is handjob? the biggest issue at the moment is the dev is over milking, whenever he is about to make actual content he always withdraw, Sophia always gets back to being a good girl again as if nothing had happen. Now, it will be understandable if there was no built up, but part 1 was a built up and it was more than enough, we should have Sophia getting gangbang by now (not that i like it, but according to logic). Also this shit is taking 3 fucking months for release, it won't be a problem if it was released with completed story but it's an on going story that takes 3 months to release and the dev is still milking it that is insane!!!! It's like getting 30 mins new episode in dragon ball z once every 3 months.

Now, i know it's a hard work which is why i suggested to just finished the story in one update so he can make more, not making one game too long making people wait, he can even make more money like that but dev said noooooo, what a crazy guy , he don't deserve your money guys, let him be poor. he is probably the kinda dude to show off his wealth anyway so fuck him.

 

[immassman]

Oh man this is going to me an interesting update!!

yeah, but you will need to wait till the end of September or early october let that sink in hahaha

 

[XaGnard]

Ummmm.... no, I can't agree with that.

If you read L&P original concept for AWAM (it actually has another name... Choices of Life..or something like that), it is about Sophia's pending journey through options. Which will she choose.
It was never about a highway to one particular route.
And, as I stated, the old gents fits with Sophia's first foray into her sexual evolution, which has since been repressed.
Really don't see how flirting with the old postman, and the old gents doesn't fit but if with Liam's dad, it would???
Why is it different if suddenly, Liam's Dad? (It's a rhetorical question - please no one answer)

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It wasn't that long ago that I woke up in the middle of the night with stomach pains. After a few days, I don't know why it took so long, I ended up in the hospital having my appendix removed. Why am I telling you this? It has no meaning for this conservation, does it? ... No, and that's the same with the two old men for AWAM. You can take that side story out and it has no effect on the main story. You don't have to, and I wouldn't have come up with this idea if AWAM was being made faster, but with the slow development there is a pain point that should be taken care of before everything goes down the drain. Of course, you can now say that at the very beginning of the concept, there was no main story planned at all, just a bunch of unrelated side stories. Which, by the way, I would consider an extremely bad design approach. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a clear main story today, as the name "A Wife and Mother" implies. What makes the old men in the old people's home so nonsensical is that they are only connected to the game through Sophia. This doesn't apply to the mailman, who delivers mail to the whole family and therefore has more story possibilities on his own. The old people in the old people's home, on the other hand, have no real function and can easily be removed. Just like my appendix.

... If you want to streamline, cut out the crap that does not include Sophia.
The Marie laundromat scene and PJ party are very sexy and all but NOTHING to do with Sophia storyline or development.
I truly do not give two hoots about Dylan getting it on with Ellie or her friends.
Sophia at the PJ party though.... HELLO!!!! Could have been some girl on girl fun...hell, even some returning boyfriend fun...

The game is not called "Sophia". It is Sophia as a "wife and mother". That's the main story, that's what this game is about.

The point i try to make is about good storytelling. For example, if you want Sophia to find out late in the game that there's something going on between Dylan and Ellie, it's better to let the player know about it beforehand, even if Sophia can't know about it yet. This is the only way to build up the suspense of whether and how Sophia will find out. You can't do all that in flashbacks, you just have to change the point of view from time to time. But it is still part of the main story. Something that cannot simply be cut out if you want to build on it later.

What I find so interesting is that you chose exactly the plot that I think is best integrated into the game besides Sam-Sophia-Dylan. It starts with the first scene with Dylan and Ellie in the car after the flight, continues with the Viagra incident on the beach, and later have Sophia overhears a conversation between Dylan and Ellie and is happy that they are at least getting along a little better. Which is funny, considering how well the two might soon get on. .. All of this describes the relationship between the Ellie-Sophia-Dylan. This is part of the main story and it is good storytelling and in my opinion one of the things that makes AWAM so good. If L&P manages to keep up the quality, he could end up with a really outstanding game.

But none of this makes sense with the old guys, as they have no connection to the main story. They simply stand in the void and that is ultimately a wasted opportunity. I hope I could make the difference clear. The old guys are unnecessary and can be deleted without changing the main story in the slightest.

I truly love that this forum has a lot of passionate people. There is something about Sophia and AWAM that ticks our collective boxes and that is, in a crazy way, a beautiful thing.
Yes, there are some kinks in there... some things taboo and naughty.
And some things of pure fantasty.
It has spawned many spin-off projects and years of debate.
Sounds almost Shakespearean..... except for the part when you realize how organized and faster old William was at weaving a tale....

Ultimately, we all want this to be perfect and we all have our own personal idea of perfect.

Of course, there are different ideas of what AWAM should be. Otherwise a discussion about the game would be boring. At the same time, however, I think that apart from the specific story, there is something like a common understanding of a well-realized idea.

Anyway, I don't think we should measure quality by the number of kinks a game contains but in how they are implemented. Simply throwing as many kinks together as possible is a recipe for boredom. Especially when the story elements for the various kinks are ultimately just repeated, as is probably the case now with all the HJ Sophia may need to give over the next few updates.

Hopefully, it eventually delivers, for all of us.... AND FASTER L&P.
Peace All

L&P is too slow, and that is something that stands in the way of telling the full story in our unfortunately finite lifetimes. That's the reason why I want to see the old guys and other side stories deleted in the first place. After so many years, it makes sense to face the facts and not just hope for improvement.