VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[immassman]

The biggest issue I currently have with this game is that the story arc doesn't make much sense when you stop and think about how a mother should feel or think in certain scenarios. For example, how Sophia is with Ellie vs how she is with Dylan.

Let's start with Ellie. She's her daughter and what she does with her is considered incest. Incest is bad no matter if you commit it with your daughter, your son, or your nephew or niece, hell even with your freakin' grandma or grandpa! She just ate her daughter's pussy clean and after she did she said to Ellie that she didn't regret it...???

Now with Dylan, she just jerked him off and here comes all the remorse in the world and that she's a bad mother and that it's incest and yaddy yaddy yaddah! Does she think what she did with Ellie is not incest because she's a woman? How does it not apply to both her children and just one of them? And the one that she feels remorse with just happens to have a dick.

Storytelling to me is the first thing that I look at in any Visual Novel that I play, while I enjoy the Visual part of the game, the novel freaking sucks and is all over the place! If the game dev reads this, hmu if you want a writer that will help your story make some sense.

Peace

this ain't a movie, you are taking it too seriously, really? that is your biggest issue? you don't have a problem of the fact that after 7 years the most she has done is handjob? the biggest issue at the moment is the dev is over milking, whenever he is about to make actual content he always withdraw, Sophia always gets back to being a good girl again as if nothing had happen. Now, it will be understandable if there was no built up, but part 1 was a built up and it was more than enough, we should have Sophia getting gangbang by now (not that i like it, but according to logic). Also this shit is taking 3 fucking months for release, it won't be a problem if it was released with completed story but it's an on going story that takes 3 months to release and the dev is still milking it that is insane!!!! It's like getting 30 mins new episode in dragon ball z once every 3 months.

Now, i know it's a hard work which is why i suggested to just finished the story in one update so he can make more, not making one game too long making people wait, he can even make more money like that but dev said noooooo, what a crazy guy , he don't deserve your money guys, let him be poor. he is probably the kinda dude to show off his wealth anyway so fuck him.

 

[immassman]

Oh man this is going to me an interesting update!!

yeah, but you will need to wait till the end of September or early october let that sink in hahaha

 

[XaGnard]

Ummmm.... no, I can't agree with that.

If you read L&P original concept for AWAM (it actually has another name... Choices of Life..or something like that), it is about Sophia's pending journey through options. Which will she choose.
It was never about a highway to one particular route.
And, as I stated, the old gents fits with Sophia's first foray into her sexual evolution, which has since been repressed.
Really don't see how flirting with the old postman, and the old gents doesn't fit but if with Liam's dad, it would???
Why is it different if suddenly, Liam's Dad? (It's a rhetorical question - please no one answer)

...

It wasn't that long ago that I woke up in the middle of the night with stomach pains. After a few days, I don't know why it took so long, I ended up in the hospital having my appendix removed. Why am I telling you this? It has no meaning for this conservation, does it? ... No, and that's the same with the two old men for AWAM. You can take that side story out and it has no effect on the main story. You don't have to, and I wouldn't have come up with this idea if AWAM was being made faster, but with the slow development there is a pain point that should be taken care of before everything goes down the drain. Of course, you can now say that at the very beginning of the concept, there was no main story planned at all, just a bunch of unrelated side stories. Which, by the way, I would consider an extremely bad design approach. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a clear main story today, as the name "A Wife and Mother" implies. What makes the old men in the old people's home so nonsensical is that they are only connected to the game through Sophia. This doesn't apply to the mailman, who delivers mail to the whole family and therefore has more story possibilities on his own. The old people in the old people's home, on the other hand, have no real function and can easily be removed. Just like my appendix.

... If you want to streamline, cut out the crap that does not include Sophia.
The Marie laundromat scene and PJ party are very sexy and all but NOTHING to do with Sophia storyline or development.
I truly do not give two hoots about Dylan getting it on with Ellie or her friends.
Sophia at the PJ party though.... HELLO!!!! Could have been some girl on girl fun...hell, even some returning boyfriend fun...

The game is not called "Sophia". It is Sophia as a "wife and mother". That's the main story, that's what this game is about.

The point i try to make is about good storytelling. For example, if you want Sophia to find out late in the game that there's something going on between Dylan and Ellie, it's better to let the player know about it beforehand, even if Sophia can't know about it yet. This is the only way to build up the suspense of whether and how Sophia will find out. You can't do all that in flashbacks, you just have to change the point of view from time to time. But it is still part of the main story. Something that cannot simply be cut out if you want to build on it later.

What I find so interesting is that you chose exactly the plot that I think is best integrated into the game besides Sam-Sophia-Dylan. It starts with the first scene with Dylan and Ellie in the car after the flight, continues with the Viagra incident on the beach, and later have Sophia overhears a conversation between Dylan and Ellie and is happy that they are at least getting along a little better. Which is funny, considering how well the two might soon get on. .. All of this describes the relationship between the Ellie-Sophia-Dylan. This is part of the main story and it is good storytelling and in my opinion one of the things that makes AWAM so good. If L&P manages to keep up the quality, he could end up with a really outstanding game.

But none of this makes sense with the old guys, as they have no connection to the main story. They simply stand in the void and that is ultimately a wasted opportunity. I hope I could make the difference clear. The old guys are unnecessary and can be deleted without changing the main story in the slightest.

I truly love that this forum has a lot of passionate people. There is something about Sophia and AWAM that ticks our collective boxes and that is, in a crazy way, a beautiful thing.
Yes, there are some kinks in there... some things taboo and naughty.
And some things of pure fantasty.
It has spawned many spin-off projects and years of debate.
Sounds almost Shakespearean..... except for the part when you realize how organized and faster old William was at weaving a tale....

Ultimately, we all want this to be perfect and we all have our own personal idea of perfect.

Of course, there are different ideas of what AWAM should be. Otherwise a discussion about the game would be boring. At the same time, however, I think that apart from the specific story, there is something like a common understanding of a well-realized idea.

Anyway, I don't think we should measure quality by the number of kinks a game contains but in how they are implemented. Simply throwing as many kinks together as possible is a recipe for boredom. Especially when the story elements for the various kinks are ultimately just repeated, as is probably the case now with all the HJ Sophia may need to give over the next few updates.

Hopefully, it eventually delivers, for all of us.... AND FASTER L&P.
Peace All

L&P is too slow, and that is something that stands in the way of telling the full story in our unfortunately finite lifetimes. That's the reason why I want to see the old guys and other side stories deleted in the first place. After so many years, it makes sense to face the facts and not just hope for improvement.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Been trying to figure out why the boys side job felt familiar. Good I am old for saying this, there was a movie early 90s called Milk Money. The only difference is the mom hires her and she's not a prostitute. Boys buy a hooker for some education. Melanie Griffith teaches the boys about the womans body. In a very adult manner just like Sophia.

 

[chholekulche]

Spoiler: You're already all wet, Sis!

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[Kurious2some]

Been trying to figure out why the boys side job felt familiar. Good I am old for saying this, there was a movie early 90s called Milk Money. The only difference is the mom hires her and she's not a prostitute. Boys buy a hooker for some education. Melanie Griffith teaches the boys about the womans body. In a very adult manner just like Sophia.

Yes, it is.
A throw away movie that did really well for Ed Harris and Miss Griffith's. Got accepted as wholesome, despite the initial concept.

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[Kurious2some]

It wasn't that long ago that I woke up in the middle of the night with stomach pains. After a few days, I don't know why it took so long, I ended up in the hospital having my appendix removed. Why am I telling you this? It has no meaning for this conservation, does it? ... No, and that's the same with the two old men for AWAM. You can take that side story out and it has no effect on the main story. You don't have to, and I wouldn't have come up with this idea if AWAM was being made faster, but with the slow development there is a pain point that should be taken care of before everything goes down the drain. Of course, you can now say that at the very beginning of the concept, there was no main story planned at all, just a bunch of unrelated side stories. Which, by the way, I would consider an extremely bad design approach. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a clear main story today, as the name "A Wife and Mother" implies. What makes the old men in the old people's home so nonsensical is that they are only connected to the game through Sophia. This doesn't apply to the mailman, who delivers mail to the whole family and therefore has more story possibilities on his own. The old people in the old people's home, on the other hand, have no real function and can easily be removed. Just like my appendix.





The game is not called "Sophia". It is Sophia as a "wife and mother". That's the main story, that's what this game is about.

The point i try to make is about good storytelling. For example, if you want Sophia to find out late in the game that there's something going on between Dylan and Ellie, it's better to let the player know about it beforehand, even if Sophia can't know about it yet. This is the only way to build up the suspense of whether and how Sophia will find out. You can't do all that in flashbacks, you just have to change the point of view from time to time. But it is still part of the main story. Something that cannot simply be cut out if you want to build on it later.

What I find so interesting is that you chose exactly the plot that I think is best integrated into the game besides Sam-Sophia-Dylan. It starts with the first scene with Dylan and Ellie in the car after the flight, continues with the Viagra incident on the beach, and later have Sophia overhears a conversation between Dylan and Ellie and is happy that they are at least getting along a little better. Which is funny, considering how well the two might soon get on. .. All of this describes the relationship between the Ellie-Sophia-Dylan. This is part of the main story and it is good storytelling and in my opinion one of the things that makes AWAM so good. If L&P manages to keep up the quality, he could end up with a really outstanding game.

But none of this makes sense with the old guys, as they have no connection to the main story. They simply stand in the void and that is ultimately a wasted opportunity. I hope I could make the difference clear. The old guys are unnecessary and can be deleted without changing the main story in the slightest.




Of course, there are different ideas of what AWAM should be. Otherwise a discussion about the game would be boring. At the same time, however, I think that apart from the specific story, there is something like a common understanding of a well-realized idea.

Anyway, I don't think we should measure quality by the number of kinks a game contains but in how they are implemented. Simply throwing as many kinks together as possible is a recipe for boredom. Especially when the story elements for the various kinks are ultimately just repeated, as is probably the case now with all the HJ Sophia may need to give over the next few updates.





L&P is too slow, and that is something that stands in the way of telling the full story in our unfortunately finite lifetimes. That's the reason why I want to see the old guys and other side stories deleted in the first place. After so many years, it makes sense to face the facts and not just hope for improvement.

Hey, XaGnard, we all understand that you think the scene has nothing to do with the story.
That is your interpretation of the tale, and you argue it with conviction.
Not everyone is going to see it, or want to see it, like that, though.


Here is the excerpt from the first page of this thread:

"My game is a choice-based visual novel, where you take the role of Sophia Parker, a happily married middle-aged woman and mother of a son and daughter. Due to her husband’s new job offer she just moved with her family from their sleepy, cold, small town to San Alejo, a hot megacity by the sea. And not only the city is bigger but also their new house and backyard.

Sophia is a high school teacher and former college lecturer. She comes from a wealthy academics family. In this new town she will be gradually confronted with many delicate situations, both familial and extra-familial, full of temptations and taboos, accompanied by the mother of all questions: what’s really right and what’s really wrong? An odyssey of emotions.
So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon? Some decisions maybe have to be made unwillingly.
And in the end she has to ask herself… how far can she go."

Sorry but the old gents have been included to play a potential role that affects Sophia.... if that is the way the player wishes to play it.
Or at least that is how I see it....
And, from the way it has been included, I would have to suggest, so too, the author.

Peace all.

EDIT: Sorry to hear about your appendix. Had mine out years ago. They messed up the operation and they had to slit me open to clean it all out.
Hope yours was an easy extraction.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Wonder who is going to be fucked first Sophia or Anna(PM)

 

[TomUK]

It wasn't that long ago that I woke up in the middle of the night with stomach pains. After a few days, I don't know why it took so long, I ended up in the hospital having my appendix removed. Why am I telling you this? It has no meaning for this conservation, does it? ... No, and that's the same with the two old men for AWAM. You can take that side story out and it has no effect on the main story. You don't have to, and I wouldn't have come up with this idea if AWAM was being made faster, but with the slow development there is a pain point that should be taken care of before everything goes down the drain. Of course, you can now say that at the very beginning of the concept, there was no main story planned at all, just a bunch of unrelated side stories. Which, by the way, I would consider an extremely bad design approach. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a clear main story today, as the name "A Wife and Mother" implies. What makes the old men in the old people's home so nonsensical is that they are only connected to the game through Sophia. This doesn't apply to the mailman, who delivers mail to the whole family and therefore has more story possibilities on his own. The old people in the old people's home, on the other hand, have no real function and can easily be removed. Just like my appendix.

I don't know, Sophia promised to wear the nurses outfit that the old guys bought for her the next time she visited, it could be that by this time that Aiden is making Sophia go to school without panties, he's already forbade her to wear a bra. Sophia gets called in to the hospital for some reason or other, she doesn't go home to change, forgetting about her previous promise, when she gets there and they remind her, then she realises that she isn't wearing any underwear but doesn't want to let the guys down, especially as she promised them. She'll get the guys to turn around or get changed behind a screen, as she won't want to walk in the hospital corridor wearing the outfit, noticing that she'll basically be showing the outline of her tits and nipples to the guys if she wears it and that she'll have to be careful about bending over and flashing her pussy, but she gets that naughty feeling and decides she's going to wear it. The outfit is an all-in-one done up with metal poppers at the front and somewhere along the lines it comes undone, probably due to the old guys fighting or something like they were in the bath that time and Sophie tries to stop them and they inadvertently, on purpose, rip the outfit off her and ends up completely naked when she steps between them to stop them from fighting.
Or she gets totally soaked again and everything is on show because she isn't wearing a bra and her blouse ends up totally see-through again.
Either way the guys end up groping her and she lets them and she gives them both a handjob in the bath.

 

[XaGnard]

I don't know, Sophia promised to wear the nurses outfit that the old guys bought for her the next time she visited, it could be that by this time that Aiden is making Sophia go to school without panties, he's already forbade her to wear a bra. Sophia gets called in to the hospital for some reason or other, she doesn't go home to change, forgetting about her previous promise, when she gets there and they remind her, then she realises that she isn't wearing any underwear but doesn't want to let the guys down, especially as she promised them. She'll get the guys to turn around or get changed behind a screen, as she won't want to walk in the hospital corridor wearing the outfit, noticing that she'll basically be showing the outline of her tits and nipples to the guys if she wears it and that she'll have to be careful about bending over and flashing her pussy, but she gets that naughty feeling and decides she's going to wear it. The outfit is an all-in-one done up with metal poppers at the front and somewhere along the lines it comes undone, probably due to the old guys fighting or something like they were in the bath that time and Sophie tries to stop them and they inadvertently, on purpose, rip the outfit off her and ends up completely naked when she steps between them to stop them from fighting.
Or she gets totally soaked again and everything is on show because she isn't wearing a bra and her blouse ends up totally see-through again.
Either way the guys end up groping her and she lets them and she gives them both a handjob in the bath.

I don't know, but nudity isn't really the thing anymore after Sophia has lost her clothes on so many occasions. The whole thing sounds far too much like the early game and not the mid-game, which I thought we had finally reached.

Also, your idea sounds a bit like it's about just replaying one element of the Aiden event with the old guys, which would be fitting for L&P, but is really just uninspiring and boring. It would just be a confirmation of what I said above, that the side stories don't advance the actual main story. The aim should be to really make a difference with every event and not just generate repetitions with minor deviations.

No, the best thing is simply to take the old men out of the game and that's that.

 

[Lupercalia]

But am I wrong or do the latest teasers not show anything at all?

 

[I'mNotHim]

this ain't a movie, you are taking it too seriously, really? that is your biggest issue? you don't have a problem of the fact that after 7 years the most she has done is handjob? the biggest issue at the moment is the dev is over milking, whenever he is about to make actual content he always withdraw, Sophia always gets back to being a good girl again as if nothing had happen. Now, it will be understandable if there was no built up, but part 1 was a built up and it was more than enough, we should have Sophia getting gangbang by now (not that i like it, but according to logic). Also this shit is taking 3 fucking months for release, it won't be a problem if it was released with completed story but it's an on going story that takes 3 months to release and the dev is still milking it that is insane!!!! It's like getting 30 mins new episode in dragon ball z once every 3 months.

Now, i know it's a hard work which is why i suggested to just finished the story in one update so he can make more, not making one game too long making people wait, he can even make more money like that but dev said noooooo, what a crazy guy , he don't deserve your money guys, let him be poor. he is probably the kinda dude to show off his wealth anyway so fuck him.

Look at the date that I joined, I am new here on the forum and I just finished catching up to the newest update and yes that is my biggest issue as of this moment. I don't know anything about taking 7 years for her to give someone an handjob, to me it all happened very fast and only in a matter of weeks. The point I'm trying to make is that it feels to me that Sophia is a different person depending on who she is with, like a totally different person who thinks differently. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

I wonder why she's trying to get their attention

 

[conair_oops]

because the boys didn't recognize her?

 

[RK - Milf]

I wonder why she's trying to get their attention

because she like to tease... and tease and more tease

 

[immassman]

Look at the date that I joined, I am new here on the forum and I just finished catching up to the newest update and yes that is my biggest issue as of this moment. I don't know anything about taking 7 years for her to give someone an handjob, to me it all happened very fast and only in a matter of weeks. The point I'm trying to make is that it feels to me that Sophia is a different person depending on who she is with, like a totally different person who thinks differently. It doesn't make any sense.

okay, welcome to the wait club bro, i will suggest this run before investing your time haha, the dev is not looking to change any time soon, and this update might get released by the end of september and August is not even finished yet hahahah

 

[elpapuuu10]

But am I wrong or do the latest teasers not show anything at all?

Personally, I would like if he didn’t show what Sophia brought and left it up to us finding out on release day. So the problem is: how would he show what’s going on without showing too much?

 

[jack.the.tripper]

I think she gets all in, Sophia is showing full nude in this update.
She will get groped and maybe her Lingerie will get ripped off.
Minimum she shows her naked female parts and get touched for teaching.
It must be something hot, the last few updates had shown to much already!!

 

[INOM_18]

I wonder why she's trying to get their attention

Bcoz that's what she can only do ,

 

[Majestic Eagle]

i hope she shows them her pussy... maybe they can even touch it

yes, with an anatomical description of all the parts of the pussy it's LPs style

love your user name: little pussy