VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[leg28]

As someone who has marketing and finances I would say that what you suggest is a very poor approach at maximising profit. He can make the game last forever and keep giving quick updates.

yet he is making game last forever without quick updates...
btw which game is DPC?

 

[seba0]

The bars graphic please

 

[Deleted member 4063857]

Imagine that guy thinks that by becoming his patreon he's doing that to spite us like we give a shite on what he's doing with his dough, what a joke mentality to have...

And the award for the most stupidest post goes to BorgiaBou.
If you think someone on the internet (who most likely you've never met) is subscribing to a person (you haven't met before) to spite you then you are beyond pathetic.
I didn't know there are school kids in this forum.

 

[leg28]

No, my friend, I have a slightly different opinion and it's a bit sad that you and other "critics" don't understand me and don't even try to understand me.
Perhaps my worthless English or incomplete explanation of my position is to blame. So I'll try again and probably the last one.
First position, main: the fact that it takes so much time to develop and produce updates for L&P leads to a number of reasons, of which we probably cannot single out the main one. Because it is precisely the complex of reasons that leads to a delay.

I will express my thoughts on this matter and invite not only critics, but also other forum participants to express their thoughts on this matter.

The first and, in my opinion, the main point: history! I think we all understand that he doesn't have a fully detailed written story for each arc in the game. Most likely, his story is some kind of general plan that he outlined for implementation and reflected in it the intricacies and intersections of various plots of the game.

The second reason is the purely human qualities of L&P. Having started working on the project with great enthusiasm and zeal, he, like any of us, is not able to constantly maintain a very high pace of work. It is likely that he has to re-evaluate and eventually rewrite some episodes of the game, changing the original plan based on the experience gained.

The third. Lack of qualified assistants. It is clear to all of us that L&P's personal qualities, his high demands on applicants and, even more, his desire to keep the plot a secret from the general public also play an important role here.

Fourth. L&P perfectionism. When I talk about the perfectionism of L&P, I mean not only the quality of the renderers created by it, but the whole story as a whole! He is trying to tell a story that is much more realistic than we see in existing adult games. Naturally, this is also not an easy task and many note the lack of realism in some plots. Therefore, the desire to create a realistic plot also adds time to the creation of updates.

Fifth. When they talk about L&P as a cheater, I think people mean the unfulfilled promises L&P made earlier. Personally, I do not perceive this as cheating because sometimes it happens that plans cannot be implemented or they have simply changed.

Sixth. They often talk about milking. In my opinion, those who do not provide financial support to L&P have no right to talk about it. On the other hand, those who have the desire and opportunity to support L&P should think and make an informed decision before doing so. Support is absolutely voluntary, so in the future you should not blame someone else for your decisions.

Here, in general terms, are the main thoughts about what I think the creators of AWAM have.

just thoughts of cheerleaders indeed (no offence intended)
1. fact that dev does not have whole script before starting game can be applied to most devs here. yet they are delivering more often. quality is various but e.g. eva kiss story is outstanding. serious and still not forgetting that this is in the end porn. plus regular often updates.
2. human qualities... really??? if you are not his best buddy it is hard to understand how did you find out. seems to me you are like girl that fall in love with serial killer and searching goodness of her soul
3. if you not his buddy, again it is unverified info which is based only on info he leeks. to me these are just excuses, like: dog eat my homework
4. here we go again... perfectionism is best excuse for delays. like guy from murphy brown who started painting her wall in s01e01 and was doing it whole series.
5. man i wish my gf is like you when i was explaining her about cheating. honey do you believe me or your own eyes. i didn't cheat, something has changed my plans - i had empty bed and eager neighbour
6. assessment that nobody can talk against milking if he is not cow himself is another nonsense. when you sell your house and give your all money to guru (lets call him lp) should your friend, who sees lp is fraud, warn you about or shut up since it is not his money. same goes to journalists and whistleblowers that complain against fraud schemes without having their money in it.
to clear it up i do not think lp is fraud, even cheater since he provides something, but he just set up scheme that allows him milking patrons with easygoing, no pressure working style. so no i don't believe into most things you wrote. for me relation patrons-milkman lp it is more like stockholm syndrome

 

[Alley_Cat]

just thoughts of cheerleaders indeed (no offence intended)
1. fact that dev does not have whole script before starting game can be applied to most devs here. yet they are delivering more often. quality is various but e.g. eva kiss story is outstanding. serious and still not forgetting that this is in the end porn. plus regular often updates.
2. human qualities... really??? if you are not his best buddy it is hard to understand how did you find out. seems to me you are like girl that fall in love with serial killer and searching goodness of her soul
3. if you not his buddy, again it is unverified info which is based only on info he leeks. to me these are just excuses, like: dog eat my homework
4. here we go again... perfectionism is best excuse for delays. like guy from murphy brown who started painting her wall in s01e01 and was doing it whole series.
5. man i wish my gf is like you when i was explaining her about cheating. honey do you believe me or your own eyes. i didn't cheat, something has changed my plans - i had empty bed and eager neighbour
6. assessment that nobody can talk against milking if he is not cow himself is another nonsense. when you sell your house and give your all money to guru (lets call him lp) should your friend, who sees lp is fraud, warn you about or shut up since it is not his money. same goes to journalists and whistleblowers that complain against fraud schemes without having their money in it.
to clear it up i do not think lp is fraud, even cheater since he provides something, but he just set up scheme that allows him milking patrons with easygoing, no pressure working style. so no i don't believe into most things you wrote. for me relation patrons-milkman lp it is more like stockholm syndrome

Might just be me, but my thoughts on cheerleaders are completely different. More along the lines of this and this.

 

[BorgiaBou]

And the award for the most stupidest post goes to BorgiaBou.
If you think someone on the internet (who most likely you've never met) is subscribing to a person (you haven't met before) to spite you then you are beyond pathetic.
I didn't know there are school kids in this forum.

I only thought you slow but now i have confirmation from you so thanks for clearing that out...
When a person says that his motive for starting supporting someone is because of someone who's "trolling" his favorite dev then you slow ass mind what does it say for a motive?

Thanks to people like you, I recently started supporting him, you can continue to let snot into your plate!

No one is stopping L&P from building a team and taking the game to a whole new level if not greed, making the game last forever and most importantly the fear that people will find out about its miserable mechanics and lies that make the game is likely to end in 25 years.

Dude you right no one is stopping him in fact is one of his patreon goals to get help but we all saw how that turned out
"I'll quit my side job so I can spend even more time developing the game!
Furthermore, I'll try to hire someone to help me out with the project!"
So myeah...

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

again, you did not write anything at all about fb that i don't agree with you. in my quoted reply i said e1 of fb was completely sex free regarding monica.
i also look for story, that is why i'm here, not at bangbros, rk or sites alike. if i wanted to see just fucking and nothing else i would rather take real porn than some 3d render.
awam had that story at first year, even in second. it was ok to have no sex for mc and awam was at my top5. but now dev is just stretching narrative to prolong longevity of the game. when you add his updating pace it rises serious doubts in devs integrity.

I'll split a hair regarding the "stretching narrative to prolong longevity of the game". This insinuates that L&P has/is changing the structure of the story in an attempt to prolong the life of the game. I don't agree with that assessment. I think the game's story structure has probably remained close to the original plan. He wants to slowly build the corruption and that means that each release takes only baby steps to moving Sophia's corruption forward. This speaks to the fundamental issue of how L&P views a believable corruption story, it has to move slowly. I think it's totally appropriate for us to question whether this strategy works or makes sense, but I don't think he's ever adjusted the story structure in an attempt to go slower and prolong the game. If we've learned anything about L&P it's that he's uncompromising and rigid, once he gets a plan he's going to stick with it. So slowing down the game's story structure seems out of character for him.

All that said, the length of the development cycles are what he probably never accounted for and he deserves criticism over that. I think it's totally fair to question the value of a development strategy that results in two releases a year (or even three releases a year) for a game that is structured to move so slowly. When he conceived the story, he probably assumed that each update would take around two to three months to complete. At that rate, even if each update only took baby steps to move the story forward, it would be compensated by a stead release of new updates. But instead the development process has spiraled out of control and we've gotten the worst of all worlds, releases that take too long to be released, that move the story forward too slowly, with a developer who is inflexible, with a MC that started off too sexually conservative.

So while I agree with you that it's appropriate to have doubts about L&P's integrity, I don't think it's because he's doing anything to actively stretch the narrative. If he could get his development cycles down to three months, I think 70% of our complaints would disappear.

 

[keefer43]

View attachment 1442760
As we all know, "somebody" posted this image with L&P's patreon link, pretending that it is from L&P. I rolled my eyes with people who were actually deceived. The somebody now claims that L&P must have been milking because he was able to make this render in a short time frame.

I don't have any intention to offend him. Actually, I thought it's one of sound renders from a newbie using pre-made lightings, poses and expressions. But he started comparing his work with L&P's. Let's find out why I immediately noticed it's not from L&P.

• Focus of the image: Story of the scene seems to be about Sophia riding the bull but she was not focused. I can guess it's because her pose turns out ugly and unnatural. But that's a huge lost opportunity there.
• Camera headlamp turned on: A typical newbie mistake. You forgot to turn off camera headlamp and the lighting is visibly noticeable in the image and breaking realism of the scene because everything (e.g., eyes, skins, ...) is shiny and bright in the front part of the scene. It also means he does not have the renderer's eyes yet.
• Lighting: Basically no lighting effort. I am not sure what L&P does for his lighting. But his scene includes volumetric ray and HDRI (high-dynamic-range imaging) feel. There is none in the image above because "somebody" just used the light from the environment as it is.
• Poses and expressions: Somebody tried to express people in the scene amused by Sophia riding bull. But since he used default poses and expression, emotion of the scene feels like a fake smile or a bad acting. And as for Sophia pose, somebody tried to blur, but the unnatural hand/leg poses were noticeable. This would not happen in L&P's
• Empty tables: OK Let's assume everybody in the scene came to see Sophia but nothing in the tables?
• Camera angle: not optimized at all. I don't see basics of scene composition. I don't think he even experimented many angles whether focus is on the people or on Sophia.

In summary, the somebody made the scene with pre-made lighting, poses, expression, and so on without optimizing them. And the speedy result may be good for fan art and for some VN, but I don't expect it from L&P's. Ultimately, here is decision you can make. If you are satisfied with this kind of render for VN, go find one. There are hundreds of them, if not thousands. If you not satisfied and you still feel his milking, you might have text fetish. Go to literotica.com and enjoy.

thanks t3alqdansam for his suggestion.

It was the pigeons - no pigeons tells me it's not L&P.

 

[hzjujk]

It is very difficult to sponsor a game and it takes many years to have good content I am also a patron I sponsor some games

I understand what your criticism said. And I don't want to suggest to you that this game is not for you. Because, in this case, I would find that arrogant of me. But the fact is that this game already had very good content for me. There is a lot of mental cinema going on as I follow the story on the different paths. The fact that I haven't seen a naked pussy, flowing sperm or lesbian sex in action is completely secondary. I cannot explain to you what you cannot see, unfortunately you have to wait until the game comes up to the content that is "good" for you. I do not want to mock her now, that is not the aim of my answer to her contribution, but I enjoy the story and the considerations about its possible entanglements and consequences as much as the erotic images themselves. It is like a film series whose story grabs you and takes with you and where the approach in the next part is just as important for you as the visual feast for the eyes.

 

[hzjujk]

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to clear it up i do not think lp is fraud, even cheater since he provides something, but he just set up scheme that allows him milking patrons with easygoing, no pressure working style. so no i don't believe into most things you wrote. for me relation patrons-milkman lp it is more like stockholm syndrome

But you just guess that too! If you are not his buddy who in the evening in the bar with L&P laughs over the beer at the idiots who finances the evening for you. With minimal effort from L&P.
The only one here in this forum where I take the criticism of the way L&P works seriously is alleycat. He has proven to me that he knows what he is talking about when he is talking about creating a graphic novel. All the others brag about their half-knowledge and are annoyed about the fact that L&P earns money and does not deliver free new content fast enough.
Yes, I support the game with a small contribution. If it is given up, which is not unlikely, I will regret it and quickly turn to something else because there is nothing and nobody that is irreplaceable.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Umm... I don't think it's the wrong finger. She is showing off her ring to the guy most probably. Emphasizing she is married

It would be the ring finger. I.e. the finger next to the smallest finger on the left hand. That is US. As I understand EU is right hand (maybe I am in error). However, in the fake teaser he used the middle finger. It is the fickle finger of fate award.

 

[Talcum Powder]

It is very difficult to sponsor a game and it takes many years to have good content I am also a patron I sponsor some games

Go play Being a DIK chapter one and then reevaluate how accurate your claim about taking many years is.

 

[Atton563]

It would be the ring finger. Ie the finger next to the smallest finger on the left hand. That is US. As I understand EU is right hand. Maybe I am in error. However, in the fake teaser he used the middle finger. It is the fickle finger of fate award.

I'm pretty sure everybody uses the left hand for a wedding ring I think you have it on the right if you are a widow/widower. Also the fake teaser shows the ring finger not middle.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I'll split a hair regarding the "stretching narrative to prolong longevity of the game". This insinuates that L&P has/is changing the structure of the story in an attempt to prolong the life of the game. I don't agree with that assessment. I think the game's story structure has probably remained close to the original plan. He wants to slowly build the corruption and that means that each release takes only baby steps to moving Sophia's corruption forward. This speaks to the fundamental issue of how L&P views a believable corruption story, it has to move slowly. I think it's totally appropriate for us to question whether this strategy works or makes sense, but I don't think he's ever adjusted the story structure in an attempt to go slower and prolong the game. If we've learned anything about L&P it's that he's uncompromising and rigid, once he gets a plan he's going to stick with it. So slowing down the game's story structure seems out of character for him.

All that said, the length of the development cycles are what he probably never accounted for and he deserves criticism over that. I think it's totally fair to question the value of a development strategy that results in two releases a year (or even three releases a year) for a game that is structured to move so slowly. When he conceived the story, he probably assumed that each update would take around two to three months to complete. At that rate, even if each update only took baby steps to move the story forward, it would be compensated by a stead release of new updates. But instead the development process has spiraled out of control and we've gotten the worst of all worlds, releases that take too long to be released, that move the story forward too slowly, with a developer who is inflexible, with a MC that started off too sexually conservative.

So while I agree with you that it's appropriate to have doubts about L&P's integrity, I don't think it's because he's doing anything to actively stretch the narrative. If he could get his development cycles down to three months, I think 70% of our complaints would disappear.

I can agree with this. However, the 30 day time frame is then in conflict with slow corruption. If he had structured this over a greater time frame it would be more believable. He could have easily skipped whole weeks, months as any story line progressed as he desired. He did not and the result is this horrible production rate with a story that has so many paths it is exploding out of control and realism. The only slow is the production. The reality, in game time, is in less than two weeks Sophia is on the edge of sleeping with multiple characters, flashing herself to everyone and yet two weeks ago she freaked at her undies being seen on the floor. She is taking super leaps not baby steps.

He has an interesting concept that had some serious possibilities that he has missed the target on. Step back and think of the speed of this slow corruption that isn't. I think of how so much of this could have been avoided if he had a team supporting him, as he planned. I am always surprised at this process that really points to an incomplete story and how that could have prevented so many of these issues. The production rate alone would have been improved.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I'm pretty sure everybody uses the left hand for a wedding ring I think you have it on the right if you are a widow/widower. Also the fake teaser shows the ring finger not middle.

You are correct on the ring. I was thinking of this by
naughtynafz

 

[Alley_Cat]

I can agree with this. However, the 30 day time frame is then in conflict with slow corruption. If he had structured this over a greater time frame it would be more believable. He could have easily skipped whole weeks, months as any story line progressed as he desired. He did not and the result is this horrible production rate with a story that has so many paths it is exploding out of control and realism. The only slow is the production. The reality, in game time, is in less than two weeks Sophia is on the edge of sleeping with multiple characters, flashing herself to everyone and yet two weeks ago she freaked at her undies being seen on the floor. She is taking super leaps not baby steps.

He has an interesting concept that had some serious possibilities that he has missed the target on. Step back and think of the speed of this slow corruption that isn't. I think of how so much of this could have been avoided if he had a team supporting him, as he planned. I am always surprised at this process that really points to an incomplete story and how that could have prevented so many of these issues. The production rate alone would have been improved.

We're on day 19, so it's closer to three weeks. Not that it changes your point.

Free Pass did a 2 month time jump without too much of an issue, although personally I think one month would have been better. Also recently has been doing one event per playable day, which I think evens out the pace well.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

I can agree with this. However, the 30 day time frame is then in conflict with slow corruption. If he had structured this over a greater time frame it would be more believable. He could have easily skipped whole weeks, months as any story line progressed as he desired. He did not and the result is this horrible production rate with a story that has so many paths it is exploding out of control and realism. The only slow is the production. The reality, in game time, is in less than two weeks Sophia is on the edge of sleeping with multiple characters, flashing herself to everyone and yet two weeks ago she freaked at her undies being seen on the floor. She is taking super leaps not baby steps.

He has an interesting concept that had some serious possibilities that he has missed the target on. Step back and think of the speed of this slow corruption that isn't. I think of how so much of this could have been avoided if he had a team supporting him, as he planned. I am always surprised at this process that really points to an incomplete story and how that could have prevented so many of these issues. The production rate alone would have been improved.

100% agree. Should have had a series of time jumps of a few days or a week in Playable Days early on, so that we got the same content spread over a longer period of Playable Days. Would have made the scale of corruption far more believable given where Sophia started from.

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

How awesome would it be if the fact that the he's now most of the way through the update, that he actually started working on the translation, as clearly most of the scenes are done.........no, lets just use that as a 2 week buffer at the end.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

How awesome would it be if the fact that the he's now most of the way through the update, that he actually started working on the translation, as clearly most of the scenes are done.........no, lets just use that as a 2 week buffer at the end.

Translation and Programing so about three weeks.

 

[Sonixplus]

does anyone has save at day17 when sophia let dylan enter the tub ?