VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

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palmtrees89

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XaGnard said:
Why do you assume that a porn game with the title “A Wife and Mother” will not feature incest as the main story line? The title is obvious and if you didn't realize that, then you should really think about it again. Honestly, it's all so obvious that I can just tell you, it's your own fault.

The rest of my statement also stands, since not only the main story elements are getting longer, but also the unnecessary side story events (such as the last one with the older gentlemen). The difference is not that act 2 is worse than act 1, but that the mid game has now begun. The problem is not that something is finally happening, but that so much time is spent on unnecessary side stories. In particular, when these side stories bring practically nothing new, but are only a repetition of what is already happening, in a different compilation, including another Blackmail story. That is garbage.

No. If L&P want to save AWAM in some way, then he has to focus on the main story and develop it in a systematic and exciting way. It needs twists and turns that can then contribute to an acceleration of the action. To do that, L&P can also remove unnecessary side story elements, especially if they have virtually no connection to the main story, like in the last update.
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What are you yapping about? I never said that I didn't expect incest to be an element in this game, I said it wasn't an element required to be a solid game considering the plot due to the diversity different routes offered. It may be the "main story" in your head, but it never was in my playthrough over the years. That alone shows you how the main storyline is what the player makes of it. Your constant crying about the game being titled AWAM and thus having to be about incest/son+daughter/family or whatever is just nonsense as proven by the many different routes present in the game.

It's not worse because mid-game has begun, it's worse because it takes the developer more than 2 years for a single PD and he started recycling the same shit for every event to give the paypigs something to look forward to in their routes. This has never been an issue before. The game could go down a much more realistic route instead of having Sophia give any and every character handjobs within 24 hours ingame time.

No. He doesn't have to focus on your main story, he has to shrink all the garbage dialogue and reduce overall renders per event to be able to release 1-2 PD's a year and to provide diversity which then gives everyone what they want in a more logical pace, not the garbage we've been seeing lately. Well, if he ever wants to finish the game that is. He's managed to do it just fine many years ago. If you think several routes itself are the issue, it's your problem. Exception here is the Dylan 2nd MC arc and other unplanned routes that may come in the future.
 
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palmtrees89 said:
What are you yapping about? I never said that I didn't expect incest to be an element in this game, I said it wasn't an element required to be a solid game considering the plot due to the diversity different routes offered. It may be the "main story" in your head, but it never was in my playthrough over the years. That alone shows you how the main storyline is what the player makes of it. Your constant crying about the game being titled AWAM and thus having to be about incest/son+daughter/family or whatever is just nonsense as proven by the many different routes present in the game.
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Some things in life seem so obvious that it is surprising when some people nevertheless got them wrong. Sorry, but as I said, if you don't realize that the main story of the porn game AWAM is about incest, then I can't help you. I think that was clear from the start, based on the title, the content description and the content that had been published at the start of the game. What may help you is the idea of a character interaction diagram. Just think about the different events in the game and consider which characters have events together. Take Dylan, for example, who not only has many events with Sophia, but also with other characters. Ellie's case is similar. Now take a character like Aiden. He also has many contacts, almost none events with those characters who are otherwise close to Sophia. If you combine that with the question of whether you could take his story out of the game without omitting anything essential, you need to see what make Aiden story a side story and Dylan/Ellie to a part of the main story. You can not leave Sophia kids out of the game, because there relationship with Sophia is what this game is all about.
 
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Lolumad1337 said:
The main problem with L&P and his updates is that he lacks imagination and creativity on how to make things good without Sophia being naked or her performing the next level sexual act on this arbitrary list (hj, tit job, bj, sex, etc).
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That list is missing a lot of activities we will see before the sex.
I'm pretty sure L&P will offer us all kind of jobs.
handjob,footjob,titjob,assjob,thighjob,blowjob,why not elbowjob and hairjob
Heck he can even go to SU and steal the wingjob.
You know sex education.
 
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armion82 said:
That list is missing a lot of activities we will see before the sex.
I'm pretty sure L&P will offer us all kind of jobs.
handjob,footjob,titjob,assjob,thighjob,blowjob,why not elbowjob and hairjob
Heck he can even go to SU and steal the wingjob.
You know sex education.
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Armpits could be another erogenous zone.
 
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palmtrees89 said:
Act 1 was of higher quality in the sense that L&P was able to provide content for pretty much every route due to much lower render count per event. I disagree when you say the game should revolve around Dylan/Ellie/Liam/Sophia just because it's titled "A Wife And Mother". When I started playing, I did it for Sophia's adventures outside of that. I was never a fan of the incest routes, and L&P was able to deliver content for everyone back in the day. Still somewhat slow, but atleast some progress was made.

I was interested to see where Sophia would end up with characters like the school's headmaster, janitor Clark, Bennett, the neighbors, Liam's boss, the Morellos, partying with her sister..and more. All of those routes could have eventually turned Sophia into a corrupted version of herself cheating on her husband and succumbing to San Alejo's temptations one way or another. There was zero need for Dylan/Ellie incest or whatever if you didn't want it to be part of your game.

Now, with time, L&P turned his game into an absolute dumpster fire with ever increasing renders per event, slower production in general, bigger PD's aswell as a bunch more 2nd MC Dylan events that weren't even planned in the first place. Said it before, will say it again; The easy solution is to go back to sub 100 render events, remove the fucking Dylan MC arc which is a game inside the game and should be a standalone project imo, and upping production (aka render/day count) to pre-act2 levels. That way, L&P would be able to release 1-2 PD's a year providing content for every route like he used to. But he's not doing that and so we are left with 400+ render events and at this point more than 2 years for a single PD which in return means hardly any content on any route for many years to come...or rather never as clearly the game will eventually end up being abandoned because 50 years of development left is just a ridiculous number.
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I completely agree with this. The 1st act had a clear understanding the title A Wife and a Mother was about an innocent wife being tempted by outside influences. As well as even though sex wasn't involved yet the story still moved along and updates had more than one scene going on. The set up for sex to happen in Act 2 was there.

Now L&P has fallen in love with his own main character wasting everyone's time with unnecessary filler renders and dialogue to spit out only one haphazard scene per update and is gun shy about Sophia's adventurous slutty side.
A stream lined update could easily happen every two months or every few months with multiple events.

Every update now is Sophia having slutty thoughts and teasing, but not even realistic teasing anymore.

It's obvious L&P has no clue how to transition from thought provoking teasing to any meaningful tease.

The filler dialogue and renders just tells me L&P knows what his supporters want, but is going to milk it for as long as he possibly can.

I think he's afraid of ending the game, because he has no ideas for a second game and like I mentioned early, fell in love with his character.

This game would probably explode with financial backing if L&P pulled his head out of his ass.
 
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yourmomma

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jamdan said:
This game doesn't really have a real main story. It's more like... 3-4 "main stories" mixed together.

The home stuff. Things involving the day to day life of Sophia and her family/friends.
The Aiden stuff. Things involving Aiden and her being blackmailed by him and his gang.
The Mafia stuff. Things involving the mafia, Liam's debt etc.
The "other stuff." Mostly things that involve Ellie/Dylan as the MC, with their own LI's and routes.

And then you have various side-characters and routes that don't have much to do with any of those things. The side-jobs, the gym people etc.


To me, the main plot should've been about the Mafia. Simply because the mafia is broad enough to be able to do basically anything you'd want, but would still lead to culling a lot of excess characters/routes.

For example, get rid of Aiden and his gang, replace them with the Mafia. The dynamic would basically be the same, but now Sophia would actually have a compelling reason to do things instead of being bullied by a highschool thug that she could, in theory, have expelled anytime she wanted. The Mafia would have real leverage over her. The Mafia could want, say, Ellie to do things too. This would've allowed Sophia to have some agency, will she get her daughter involved, or will she try to protect her? Put Dylan in, and Sophia could do the same for him. If Sophia doesn't do X, Dylan is going to get beatdown. Even somebody like Sam, him being a white-knight savior would actually make sense.

Then you'd rid of all the characters/routes that aren't connected together. And that would include both Ellie and Dylan's specific routes/LI's, maybe the school etc. Or hell, if you don't want Aiden to be killed off too, make him Morello's son who watches Sophia in class for him.
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This really would make more sense especially Aiden being Morello's son. Then the blackmail route would be Sophia paying off Liam's debts and Aiden would be keeping an eye on her at school and perhaps Morello gives him permission to play around with her.
 
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jamdan said:
This game doesn't really have a real main story. It's more like... 3-4 "main stories" mixed together.

The home stuff. Things involving the day to day life of Sophia and her family/friends.
The Aiden stuff. Things involving Aiden and her being blackmailed by him and his gang.
The Mafia stuff. Things involving the mafia, Liam's debt etc.
The "other stuff." Mostly things that involve Ellie/Dylan as the MC, with their own LI's and routes.

And then you have various side-characters and routes that don't have much to do with any of those things. The side-jobs, the gym people etc.


To me, the main plot should've been about the Mafia. Simply because the mafia is broad enough to be able to do basically anything you'd want, but would still lead to culling a lot of excess characters/routes.

For example, get rid of Aiden and his gang, replace them with the Mafia. The dynamic would basically be the same, but now Sophia would actually have a compelling reason to do things instead of being bullied by a highschool thug that she could, in theory, have expelled anytime she wanted. The Mafia would have real leverage over her. The Mafia could want, say, Ellie to do things too. This would've allowed Sophia to have some agency, will she get her daughter involved, or will she try to protect her? Put Dylan in, and Sophia could do the same for him. If Sophia doesn't do X, Dylan is going to get beatdown. Even somebody like Sam, him being a white-knight savior would actually make sense.

Then you'd rid of all the characters/routes that aren't connected together. And that would include both Ellie and Dylan's specific routes/LI's, maybe the school etc. Or hell, if you don't want Aiden to be killed off too, make him Morello's son who watches Sophia in class for him.
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:ROFLMAO:That's why it's going to take him about 40 years to complete the game, too much stuff=10 years for each main story!
 
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