VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

The problem with AWAM is that he presented Sophia as a boundary oriented woman, thoughful, not light headed, with a strong frame. And that is what blocks him, that is why the flashback was a big mistake.

The Sophia with values and frame, would never fuck her friends dad. Im not talking about her as a virgin, or a slut, or that shit conversation, or having her premarital sex or not. We are talking about having dates and sex with your friends DAD, that is something the Sophia we knew wouldnt had done, so either the S1 Sophia was a fraud and we are angy on her and feel betrayed by the author because he made us lost our time, or the flashback was a stupid mistake because he improvised something to force the story forward and didn't worked.

The main problem with AWAM is not excesive characters, that is only a problem if you expect her to have sex with everyone. He can clarify that Sophia is not going to have sex with everyone and leave that to the fan made side of things. It is not excesive branches, if those branches were high quality, we would be enjoying the journey, but because it is not enjoyable anymore, there is a general novel ending anxiety that works for his pocket but not for the AWAM story at all.

The main problem is that he is trying to make her have sex in a REALISTIC way (this is very important) with underdeveloped teenagers through a 1000 concessions, and that is not going to work, no matter how creative he becomes in the setting for the "corruption" process. There is a point were things get ridiculous, the Cello scene was embarrasing if you think about it from a 40 yo woman's perspective (it might not if you think the virgin teenager boy dream). Imagine you are the woman, and you are there, naked infront of a 15yo guy with her mother outside and you stop doing the horrible sounds of the first six months of clasical instrument training, it is embarrasing. The same is going to happen with the club scene in the next update, imagine a 40yo woman, walking through a club with a 15yo kid close to her (dont ask me how he was allowed to get in...), and 25/35 handsome men walking around, the situation is embarrasing, not arousing.

As people had pointed, Sophia is 40ish at 2020, that means that she turns on tv and she sees the fucking Chris Hemsworth playing Thor, or Zac Effront, or olimpic swimmers. Then she walks away and in real life she watches men like the janitor, the mover, DeShawn, Bennet, and handsome people she casually walks by. There is no way she could find attractive underdeveloped teenagers, imagine a 15yo guy naked close to a real man, how ridiculous that looks like.

Sophia story should inmediately quit the kids mistake, corrupt her through an interesting adults journey, and then, if you score all the corruption points, and you break all her frame and her boundaries through adults experiences, maybe, given the right circunstances at the right moment, she could have a mistake with the young teenagers. The other way around, well, you would better play this one, is more fun... Mira

A hint, a woman like Sophia, before cheating would go on her husband 100% hints like "fuck me TONIGHT!", if that doesn't work and she internalise having extramarital sex, she would cheat away from the family, because protecting the family is one of her core values (this is partially why the neightbours Cello thing was REALLY stupid). She would go clubbing and met someone there from the other side of the city, or she would have a casual affair in the sauna with an unknown guy, or she would date a father with a kid with no remote relationship with his son and her daughter, or she would have a casual affair at the gym where she goes alone, etc... She would never cheat with someone around her family initially, but then, once the wheel starts to move, maybe things get out of bounds.

If I had read this post first, I would not have written.

 

[Deleted member 5533454]

People's really coming out to a porn game expecting morals,logic , realism and all

Even movies containing real actors doesn't have much logic in it

It's a game of 3d rendered character's with 18+ content, generally for fap and sexual fantasies treat it like one

If you want logical stories go read books and visual novels
Ofcourse any artist who has a popular series or game going on will try to prolong the main content for long to earn money , no idiot will just give you main course at starting , he knows everyone is waiting for it and will keep coming even after 100s of bait

Even pornhwa artists do the same

Don't come here with your bullshits that story is boring, it's taking too long and all
He is doing everything right from a creator's point and the ones paying for it are not complaining that much for Sophia sex scenes

It's a porn game , "PORN GAME"

Come on man, don't give shit to others for stating what their opinion is. Whether it is story or production mess that LP made, let people have their say. Stay away from the forum if you don't like the "bullshit" that is. I won't argue with you on story POV, cuz that's his to tell but don't defend that little POS for the mess he has made of the production, time and again.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

The problem with AWAM is that he presented Sophia as a boundary oriented woman, thoughful, not light headed, with a strong frame. And that is what blocks him, that is why the flashback was a big mistake.

The Sophia with values and frame, would never fuck her friends dad. Im not talking about her as a virgin, or a slut, or that shit conversation, or having her premarital sex or not. We are talking about having dates and sex with your friends DAD, that is something the Sophia we knew wouldnt had done, so either the S1 Sophia was a fraud and we are angy on her and feel betrayed by the author because he made us lost our time, or the flashback was a stupid mistake because he improvised something to force the story forward and didn't worked.

The main problem with AWAM is not excesive characters, that is only a problem if you expect her to have sex with everyone. He can clarify that Sophia is not going to have sex with everyone and leave that to the fan made side of things. It is not excesive branches, if those branches were high quality, we would be enjoying the journey, but because it is not enjoyable anymore, there is a general novel ending anxiety that works for his pocket but not for the AWAM story at all.

The main problem is that he is trying to make her have sex in a REALISTIC way (this is very important) with underdeveloped teenagers through a 1000 concessions, and that is not going to work, no matter how creative he becomes in the setting for the "corruption" process. There is a point were things get ridiculous, the Cello scene was embarrasing if you think about it from a 40 yo woman's perspective (it might not if you think the virgin teenager boy dream). Imagine you are the woman, and you are there, naked infront of a 15yo guy with her mother outside and you stop doing the horrible sounds of the first six months of clasical instrument training, it is embarrasing. The same is going to happen with the club scene in the next update, imagine a 40yo woman, walking through a club with a 15yo kid close to her (dont ask me how he was allowed to get in...), and 25/35 handsome men walking around, the situation is embarrasing, not arousing.

As people had pointed, Sophia is 40ish at 2020, that means that she turns on tv and she sees the fucking Chris Hemsworth playing Thor, or Zac Effront, or olimpic swimmers. Then she walks away and in real life she watches men like the janitor, the mover, DeShawn, Bennet, and handsome people she casually walks by. There is no way she could find attractive underdeveloped teenagers, imagine a 15yo guy naked close to a real man, how ridiculous that looks like.

Sophia story should inmediately quit the kids mistake, corrupt her through an interesting adults journey, and then, if you score all the corruption points, and you break all her frame and her boundaries through adults experiences, maybe, given the right circunstances at the right moment, she could have a mistake with the young teenagers. The other way around, well, you would better play this one, is more fun... Mira

A hint, a woman like Sophia, before cheating would go on her husband 100% hints like "fuck me TONIGHT!", if that doesn't work and she internalise having extramarital sex, she would cheat away from the family, because protecting the family is one of her core values (this is partially why the neightbours Cello thing was REALLY stupid). She would go clubbing and met someone there from the other side of the city, or she would have a casual affair in the sauna with an unknown guy, or she would date a father with a kid with no remote relationship with his son and her daughter, or she would have a casual affair at the gym where she goes alone, etc... She would never cheat with someone around her family initially, but then, once the wheel starts to move, maybe things get out of bounds.

There are a TON of events in this game so far that would be unlikely to happen in real life, especially involving a woman like Sophia, who is middle aged, well-educated, and seemingly an upstanding citizen. But surprising things happen in life all the time. My wife, who is generally pretty conservative, had her first sexual experience when she was 17 with a man in his 40s. Later in her life, especially now that we have daughters that age, she looks back and sees that experience as unsettling. But she didn't at the time and for many years after.

My reading of Sophia is that she is a very sexual person who let her sexuality get buried by society, her job, her family, etc. Now she is having a mid-life crisis, exacerbated by an inattentive husband. Mid-life crises are common, as is being tempted by and attracted to younger people, especially if they show interest in and attraction back. Sophia is trying to tamp down her sexual feelings, especially knowing they could get her in serious trouble, but (if you make filthy wife choices) she doesn't succeed. And while I'm confident that teachers do not routinely jack off their young students in sex ed classes, how many times do we read or hear about female teachers having sex with their teen/adolescent students?

If you've read Aristotle's views on suspension of disbelief, he makes a distinction between what is possible and what is probable. He advocates that creators should adhere to what is probable to avoid audiences feeling just what you are feeling. Normally I agree with you (and Aristotle). If an event is too improbable in a work of fiction, it feels contrived. But this is a porn game and if there wasn't any sex in it, then AWAM would be an abject failure. And yet, because her actions and character type are totally possible (we have many examples in real life) I find AWAM realistic enough to be wonderfully erotic.

 

[Deleted member 5533454]

AWAM is going to face the same fate as Marvel, if it keeps doing what it is doing currently. Both started well with a bang, entertained well for a while and are facing the problem of fading away because, although people show excitement for it, they only get disappointment. Interest in both of them are diminishing day by day. Both are still popular because till date there is hardly any alternative been presented to the audience. It's only a matter of time before someone comes along with better projects and people would move away, till then hang on.

 

[XaGnard]

The problem with AWAM is that he presented Sophia as a boundary oriented woman, thoughful, not light headed, with a strong frame. And that is what blocks him, that is why the flashback was a big mistake.

It is the story of a mother who had a life before she became a mother. It is really not unusual that responsibilities have an influence on personal views.

The Sophia with values and frame, would never fuck her friends dad. Im not talking about her as a virgin, or a slut, or that shit conversation, or having her premarital sex or not. We are talking about having dates and sex with your friends DAD, that is something the Sophia we knew wouldnt had done, so either the S1 Sophia was a fraud and we are angy on her and feel betrayed by the author because he made us lost our time, or the flashback was a stupid mistake because he improvised something to force the story forward and didn't worked.

My goodness, how naive do you have to be to believe that Sophia can't have a past that doesn't match her current behavior. You sound a little like a kid that learns for the first time about his parents are actually sexual beings.

The problem is that just because the storytelling hasn't revealed something yet doesn't automatically make it unfitting. You were simply wrong with your assumption and, like Dylan, surprised. The world is full of stories in which young people act differently than they would at higher age. This is quite normal in every life.

The main problem with AWAM is not excesive characters, that is only a problem if you expect her to have sex with everyone. He can clarify that Sophia is not going to have sex with everyone and leave that to the fan made side of things. It is not excesive branches, if those branches were high quality, we would be enjoying the journey, but because it is not enjoyable anymore, there is a general novel ending anxiety that works for his pocket but not for the AWAM story at all.

Well, that's just the way a porn game with a female main character goes. In the end, she will have much more sex than would make sense in a realistic depiction of the world. That should have been clear to you from the beginning, and I think it's just silly to question something like that for a porn game.

BTW, by giving more space to other characters, the need for Sophia to have a lot of sex is reduced. That's why I think, for example, Dylan/Ellie is a good addition, expect to just only fucus on Sophia all the time.

The main problem is that he is trying to make her have sex in a REALISTIC way (this is very important) with underdeveloped teenagers through a 1000 concessions, and that is not going to work, no matter how creative he becomes in the setting for the "corruption" process. There is a point were things get ridiculous, the Cello scene was embarrasing if you think about it from a 40 yo woman's perspective (it might not if you think the virgin teenager boy dream). Imagine you are the woman, and you are there, naked infront of a 15yo guy with her mother outside and you stop doing the horrible sounds of the first six months of clasical instrument training, it is embarrasing. The same is going to happen with the club scene in the next update, imagine a 40yo woman, walking through a club with a 15yo kid close to her (dont ask me how he was allowed to get in...), and 25/35 handsome men walking around, the situation is embarrasing, not arousing.

As I've said for a while now, with a title like "A wife and mother" for a porn game, everyone should know what it ultimately comes down to. That you, and a few others here, now seem to be completely surprised about where the journey is going, is not understandable to me. The Relism, which L&P has declared in the game description, refers in my understanding to deep characters and realitic graphig. He certainly didn't mean that the game should have a story that works in the real world. That just doesn't fit into a porn game. It is exactly the idea of such a game not to fully reflect the real world, because this would be boring.

I can't say much about the scene in the night club, only that I haven't played it yet. In general, no one should forget that AWAM was never a real world realistic game. I have no idea how you can miss all the indications and all the self-ironic elements. There are so many events that would not fit into the normal world, that it is almost ridiculous when someone demonizes the nightclub scene. My goodness, AWAM is a porn game, what did you expect?

As people had pointed, Sophia is 40ish at 2020, that means that she turns on tv and she sees the fucking Chris Hemsworth playing Thor, or Zac Effront, or olimpic swimmers. Then she walks away and in real life she watches men like the janitor, the mover, DeShawn, Bennet, and handsome people she casually walks by. There is no way she could find attractive underdeveloped teenagers, imagine a 15yo guy naked close to a real man, how ridiculous that looks like.

Here the same applies what I have already written above. You make the mistake of comparing a porn game to the real world, which is ridiculous in itself. The fact that so little has happened in AWAM so far is not because nothing would ever happen, but only because less happens at the beginning of a game with curruption than at the end. The game has not changed, but has only arrived in the mid-game.

Sophia story should inmediately quit the kids mistake, corrupt her through an interesting adults journey, and then, if you score all the corruption points, and you break all her frame and her boundaries through adults experiences, maybe, given the right circunstances at the right moment, she could have a mistake with the young teenagers. The other way around, well, you would better play this one, is more fun... Mira

The story elements around Dylan, Ellie, Sam, Patrica, etc. are essential core of this game. Remove that, and the game loses its value. Go through the gallery and see how many elevents are associated with incest and young folks:

AWAM v1 with 39/55=71% of scences
AWAM v2 with 7/9=77% of scences

I really have no idea how you could have missed this, as it is extremely clear. What you are proposing here would be a completely different game than AWAM has been from the beginning. Once again, there is a reason why AWAM has an incest tag. This is not an accident but intentional. If you don't like it, maybe you should just pick a different game?

A hint, a woman like Sophia, before cheating would go on her husband 100% hints like "fuck me TONIGHT!", if that doesn't work and she internalise having extramarital sex, she would cheat away from the family, because protecting the family is one of her core values (this is partially why the neightbours Cello thing was REALLY stupid). She would go clubbing and met someone there from the other side of the city, or she would have a casual affair in the sauna with an unknown guy, or she would date a father with a kid with no remote relationship with his son and her daughter, or she would have a casual affair at the gym where she goes alone, etc... She would never cheat with someone around her family initially, but then, once the wheel starts to move, maybe things get out of bounds.

Again, you're comparing a porn game to reality, which is just totally nonsensical. The point is that Sohia is involved more than normal with her kids and, for example, her immediate neighbors, etc. That is the content of the story, that is the game. How can you be so blind not to see that?!?

 

[Juidas]

addition:

When there was no flashback of Sophia.
she was a woman who fell in love with her first love, Liam, at a relatively young age, became pregnant and married. (many people would have thought so)

When Sofia's flashbacks appear.
she was promiscuous from her childhood, that she had sex with several men, and that she had sex with Liam, and when she became pregnant, she became the woman who married him.

The two are completely different in content and feel.

There's a reason so many people complained when the flashbacks appeared, saying, "Sophia turned into a whore."

Maybe Sophia has always been promiscuous and before they moved she was having sex with different guys in the neighbourhood and in particular younger guys but thought that as she was moving she would start afresh and try to be loyal to her husband but just cant contain her inner slut (or at least I hope she was like this)

 

[armion82]

BTW will we still have 2 hetero sex scenes on PD16?
Because I was thinking one of the 2 will be a story how Sophia lost her virginity-the last update wasn't suppose to have that story,but something changed the dev mind.
Or the only possible on PD16 Dylan sex scene-Dylan/Emma.All other LI for Dylan are out of question for PD16.

 

[jeroen07]

BTW will we still have 2 hetero sex scenes on PD16?
Because I was thinking one of the 2 will be a story how Sophia lost her virginity-the last update wasn't suppose to have that story,but something changed the dev mind.
Or the only possible on PD16 Dylan sex scene-Dylan/Emma.All other LI for Dylan are out of question for PD16.

This is PD 13. So no action on this date.

 

[dkatryl]

yes.

I think he realized at some point that he couldn't continue the story this way.
Or I think there must have been pressure from sponsors.

But his methods are so wrong.

Like I've said many times, he delayed the story too much and piled it on too much, so he ended up driving himself into a corner, and as he admits, he can't handle this anymore.

He should have started years ago what he was about to do now.

If he did, he wouldn't have done anything to change Sofia's past, and he would have been able to make Dylan's growing up (the changing process) convincing enough. not Dylan's setting change.

Also, even without the flashbacks, it would have been convincing enough for Sophia to change her behavior after moving to the big city. if had the principal or Neil pressured her a little more, if had progressed her relationship with Larry a little more, if had Sam and Sophia had sex.

I have suggested at some point in the distant past that what L&P should do, instead of flashbacks, is daydream/fantasizing sequences where she could have the already present internal dialog, and expand upon it with rendered scenes.

She's at the club getting felt up while tipsy, or taking a shower with the janitor, completing Aiden tasks, or the recent things with Sam/Dylan, or whatever scene in question.

Let the scene go to a point, then when going for filthy wife points, Sophia finds herself allowing herself to fantasize about the scene, letting the fantasy play out, which lets us get a scene that actually goes somewhere but without committing Sophia into set in stone actions.

Then at some point, she comes to from mid fantasy, to find whomever was trying to get intimate with her ended up getting further than she had intended, allowing her to put the brakes on.

But then, as fantasy after fantasy plays out, she finds it harder to put the brakes on, getting closer to succumbing as events happen, until finally one time it is no longer just a fantasy and she gives in.

That lets L&P do both a slow build *and* show scenes that go beyond 'fabric touching' that doesnt rely on a flashback, which would also further show the steady corruption.

 

[Rajesh Ram]

I played so many games in the last few days one mandatory scene common in every game is Dress Changing in shopping mall ,

And also another common thing is they End up having Sex after the Date Night,
Same thing happened in Life in Santa Country , Monkey Business , The Awakening both Mom Son end up having sex after Date Night,

I think same thing is gonna happen in between Sophia and Dylan aswell after Date Night .

 

[Woodalicca]

I played so many games in the last few days one mandatory scene common in every game is Dress Changing in shopping mall ,

And also another common thing is they End up having Sex after the Date Night,
Same thing happened in Life in Santa Country , Monkey Business , The Awakening both Mom Son end up having sex after Date Night,

I think same thing is gonna happen in between Sophia and Dylan aswell after Date Night .

Sure ? Confident ? Is that your last word ?

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[Danniela154]

este jogo ethis game is very good, but it doesn't even come close to the game Family Venture!

 

[tofhdns]

My goodness, how naive do you have to be to believe that Sophia can't have a past that doesn't match her current behavior.

The problem is that just because the storytelling hasn't revealed something yet doesn't automatically make it unfitting.

The Relism, which L&P has declared in the game description, refers in my understanding to deep characters and realitic graphig. He certainly didn't mean that the game should have a story that works in the real world.

How is 'realism' deep characters and realistic graphics?
No realistic characters and deep graphics?

In fact, realistic characters, realistic graphics, and realistic storytelling are 'realism'.
Please don't play with words.

In general, no one should forget that AWAM was never a real world realistic game.

this is what you said:
"My goodness, how naive do you have to be to believe that Sophia can't have a past that doesn't match her current behavior."

You accept or deny 'reality' according to your needs.

There are so many events that would not fit into the normal world, that it is almost ridiculous when someone demonizes the nightclub scene.

If you're talking about me, I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying it doesn't fit.
The reason, like you said, because "that would not fit into the normal world"

The fact that so little has happened in AWAM so far is not because nothing would ever happen, but only because less happens at the beginning of a game with curruption than at the end.

yes.
"that so little has happened in AWAM so far, or less happen." for six years.

The story elements around Dylan, Ellie, Sam, Patrica, etc. are essential core of this game. Remove that, and the game loses its value.

this is what you said:
"The problem is that just because the storytelling hasn't revealed something yet doesn't automatically make it unfitting."

the storytelling isn't fully revealed, how can you be so sure it "Remove that, and the game loses its value"?

You need to hold yourself to the same standard you hold on to other people.
And you have a bad habit of subtly twisting words or making puns.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

este jogo ethis game is very good, but it doesn't even come close to the game Family Venture!

I don't know it, I'll try it and let you know

 

[rAmSiMaL]

There are a TON of events in this game so far that would be unlikely to happen in real life, especially involving a woman like Sophia, who is middle aged, well-educated, and seemingly an upstanding citizen. But surprising things happen in life all the time. My wife, who is generally pretty conservative, had her first sexual experience when she was 17 with a man in his 40s. Later in her life, especially now that we have daughters that age, she looks back and sees that experience as unsettling. But she didn't at the time and for many years after.

My reading of Sophia is that she is a very sexual person who let her sexuality get buried by society, her job, her family, etc. Now she is having a mid-life crisis, exacerbated by an inattentive husband. Mid-life crises are common, as is being tempted by and attracted to younger people, especially if they show interest in and attraction back. Sophia is trying to tamp down her sexual feelings, especially knowing they could get her in serious trouble, but (if you make filthy wife choices) she doesn't succeed. And while I'm confident that teachers do not routinely jack off their young students in sex ed classes, how many times do we read or hear about female teachers having sex with their teen/adolescent students?

If you've read Aristotle's views on suspension of disbelief, he makes a distinction between what is possible and what is probable. He advocates that creators should adhere to what is probable to avoid audiences feeling just what you are feeling. Normally I agree with you (and Aristotle). If an event is too improbable in a work of fiction, it feels contrived. But this is a porn game and if there wasn't any sex in it, then AWAM would be an abject failure. And yet, because her actions and character type are totally possible (we have many examples in real life) I find AWAM realistic enough to be wonderfully erotic.

Speaking about reality and if teachers could have sex with students we have a great example… that of the president of France Emmanuel Macron. He is married to his high school teacher

 

[Golden Trump]

Speaking about reality and if teachers could have sex with students we have a great example… that of the president of France Emmanuel Macron. He is married to his high school teacher

So she cheated her husband with whom she had three kids to go sleep with a 15 year old and then left him to marry the kid after he grew up. I don't know if it is a love story or a grooming story cuz reverse the roles and it sounds fkin horrible.


Also a good plot for a AVN.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

Her 40th birthday is coming… so…

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[lockerxx]

Her 40th birthday is coming… so…

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sophie is 37

 

[Deleted member 3218369]

sophie is 37

But its been almost 6 years so she is 43

 

[lockerxx]

But its been almost 6 years so she is 43

and ellie is 24 then lol and the shota boys are 18 too