VN Ren'Py Abandoned A Wife at Stake [v0.030] [eHellJay]

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JesterAI

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No sooner shared, no sooner abandoned
No one will see the end of it ;-)
I don't think your response to leaking behavior works like you think it does.

It serves to negatively incentivize supporters more than it does to punish the ones who leak the game.

Why? People like me found one of your games on this site, liked it enough to support you for more than one month, only to have someone else leak the game, and have you abandon the project.

Clearly, I'm not going to continue supporting someone who doesn't finish what I went there for.

Is it up to you to finish games, or not? Sure, but what you're doing is disincentivizing supporters, not punishing leakers. There may be 100 supporters who are there for one thing, and 1 leaker... and the 99 are "punished" because of the 1 leaker.

By all means, follow your muse and do whatever makes you happy. It is worth considering that if you're looking for an effective punishment/reward system, this doesn't feel like it is it.
 

BulgariAMARA

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Dev has a point, it`s his work so he can do whatever with it. Only problem with this is that i always try a game here to see if it is up my ally, if it is I am sure as hell supporting the dev, i do so with 5 games i found and try`d here.
This one looked promising but now we`re never gonna know. Not gonna waste my time with an abandoned game.:cry:
Your point is damn right, buddy.
Previously, I also supported some game creators, but I supported those whose work I met on this forum. That is, I downloaded the game, I liked it and I supported the creator while waiting for the sequel.
The ban on the distribution of the game by the developer, this is to some extent not logical.
 
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BeastMaster59

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Your point is damn right, buddy.
Previously, I also supported some game creators, but I supported those whose work I met on this forum. That is, I downloaded the game, I liked it and I supported the creator while waiting for the sequel.
The ban on the distribution of the game by the developer, this is to some extent not logical.
The same way I do it, download the Game here, played it, liked it, supported it, and right now I`m supporting 9 Devs, a couple of them are not bringing updates, so I will cease support before the first of the Month.
 
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TheUberstuff

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Your point is damn right, buddy.
Previously, I also supported some game creators, but I supported those whose work I met on this forum. That is, I downloaded the game, I liked it and I supported the creator while waiting for the sequel.
The ban on the distribution of the game by the developer, this is to some extent not logical.
I didn't see anything from anyone about a ban. If you want to support a dev that never finishes a single game more power to you.
 
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CTDev

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Thanks for the surprisingly well thought-out reply, but there is also a flaw or two in your own reasoning. One, if you're not looking to make a profit, why then did you decide from the outset that the game would not be free? If you're charging for the game, you're definitely not looking to take a loss, so it's for profit. Two, you assume that the customer-satisfaction model I'm describing cannot hold true in an environment like F95. This also is false: look at the entire first page of games on here, sorted by popularity is easiest, and look at their supporter platforms. Even those who post a disclaimer about people leaking their work too soon or leaking the Patreon-only material with them, still choose to continue development and finish what they started. Furthermore, all of them are making solid numbers in terms of number of supporters and money coming in. Why? Because they understand that even a pirate site still creates exposure for their games, and most of their supporters first found their work *right here on F95.* So they're doing what content creators always do if they want to succeed: taking advantage of free publicity for their work. And if you think my bluntness is being "harsh," that is unfortunate, but the truth is that sugar-coating things will not help you at all. Hard fact: You're shooting yourself in the foot. Unfortunately, you're using a tank gun to do it. Might wanna get a bandage for that. Best of luck to you, whatever you wind up doing.
The use of the phrase "amazingly well thought out response" immediately conveys the condescension of the comments that follow and, probably, the smugness of the person making them. So I'm going to do the same.

So I have to clarify. I thought I'd used the right words: covering costs.
Paying for DAZ 3D or Renderosity or... , hosting the site, the domain name, the Adobe Creative Suite subscription... None of this is free. You should also make donations for the music you use to compensate the composers a little. The break-even point is the tipping point between the costs I incur and the profits I don't make. So I'll reiterate my point: when someone shares my game without my permission, they're taking money from me. You can turn this around in any way you like.

On the other hand, you're describing a business model. And what you say is true in terms of how it works. But I don't follow that logic. If I don't want to play in the same league as the successful games you mention, that's my right. I work virtually alone, I have very few material resources, and this is just a hobby. So I don't think I have the capacity to produce the same games, of the same quality, at the same pace. But I think that below a certain level, it's better not to have too many illusions... Gamers are quick to reproach this. I've lost quite a lot of support because of that... I've also read references in this thread to games that some people boast about supporting, but which I find to be below par. I won't be caught dead doing that. At the very least, a game should be plausible and fairly realistic, if not accurate. When I screw up a narrative, it's because my MC is dreaming. With others, it's as if the MCs are living in a parallel world and dreaming all the time... Not for me.

So here I am with a different rationale: limited means and limited ambitions. And even that's impossible to achieve, because just when I'm trying to make ends meet, someone generously comes along and pays €2 to 'share'.
Well done guys!

I've already written and asked several times: "leave me alone". I don't want your free advertising. And if I shoot myself, it's in my foot. Not yours. What's the point of your five-bullet marketing lessons, full of clichés? You must think you're pretty clever, but "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".

I'll finish with my thoughts on F95. If there is a lot of traffic on this site, it's not because of the few blockbuster games on it, but because of the 17,500 other little games. And I don't like that.

Now, take the bandage I didn't ask you for and go and dress your own wounds...

No hard feelings?
 

CTDev

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You are the game developer and it's up to you to close the project or continue. But it surprises me that you so easily refuse to continue the implementation of a creative idea, despite the efforts and time spent. Creating a game is a lot of work, I had the experience of creating fan-made mini-games with an artist, so I know what I'm talking about.
I understand that when rejection is associated with a creative crisis, with a lack of ideas, this happens to artists. But against the background of your statements that this is just a hobby, and not a way for basic earnings, it is incomprehensible such a firm reluctance to see the game being distributed on the Internet.
But as they say, to each his own. In any case, I am sure that most of those who got acquainted with your work wish you successful, fully realized, completed projects, including me.
Thank you for your positive and hopeful comment. If you've visited my site, you'll know that I'm not short of ideas. I have two other projects in the pipeline, 'Inoculation' (Sci-Fi) and 'An eye for an eye’ (The revenge of a son).
But I write it again: I don’t want piracy be rewarded.
If this scuttling has made some people realise what they were doing, the manoeuvre has already been successful.
For my part, I can only have two wishes: if you like a game, support it, especially at the beginning. And if you don't like it, do what I do: shut the f*ck up and move on. Our days will be more beautiful that way.
 

shamtiiomi

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Thank you for your positive and hopeful comment. If you've visited my site, you'll know that I'm not short of ideas. I have two other projects in the pipeline, 'Inoculation' (Sci-Fi) and 'An eye for an eye’ (The revenge of a son).
But I write it again: I don’t want piracy be rewarded.
If this scuttling has made some people realise what they were doing, the manoeuvre has already been successful.
For my part, I can only have two wishes: if you like a game, support it, especially at the beginning. And if you don't like it, do what I do: shut the f*ck up and move on. Our days will be more beautiful that way.
have a problem with your site,i cant support you the way i want ,i was there for debie,i like your work but the kind of payments methods ,like paypall dont work for me......why not patreon ,bcs i dont see any kind of incest in your games....
 

CTDev

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You claim not to care about profit but you keep bringing up money. Weird.

Regardless, this is not a good reaction to a leak. There's nothing being given, taken, or stolen. That's not how this space works. You're not selling Assassin's Creed 8. You're not mowing my lawn. People who didn't enjoy your game have been given exactly nothing. 1500 have already downloaded this from gofile. Over 1000 were so unimpressed that they'll never think about you or "A Wife At Stake" again in their lives. They've gained nothing. Most people don't pay for random porn VNs that they've never even tried. But more exposure = more potential support. It's not something to freak out about.

I've heard therapy can be helpful. Just a random factoid. Definitely not directed at 2 very specific people here. Toodles.
I'm talking money to someone who's talking money and marketing.
My games have been circulating here for two years now. How many more hackings will it take before people know that I'm shit? They're still hoping for a burst of talent from me?
Those who aren't interested in my games don't interest me either. But to post so many comments you must not be one of them. Admit it, mate. You like my games, don't you? Mwah...
 
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BeastMaster59

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too bad its already abandoned, enjoyed this Game more than his other releases, and I wanted to thank the leaker, for which I wouldn't have know anything about this Game, and also I thank the Person for the Quick update on the Game being abandoned for which I would have supported without Getting Updates.
 

CTDev

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I don't think your response to leaking behavior works like you think it does.

It serves to negatively incentivize supporters more than it does to punish the ones who leak the game.

Why? People like me found one of your games on this site, liked it enough to support you for more than one month, only to have someone else leak the game, and have you abandon the project.

Clearly, I'm not going to continue supporting someone who doesn't finish what I went there for.

Is it up to you to finish games, or not? Sure, but what you're doing is disincentivizing supporters, not punishing leakers. There may be 100 supporters who are there for one thing, and 1 leaker... and the 99 are "punished" because of the 1 leaker.

By all means, follow your muse and do whatever makes you happy. It is worth considering that if you're looking for an effective punishment/reward system, this doesn't feel like it is it.
You contributed for barely two months, Sir, from April to May 2022. When you left, it was without me giving up anything. And when I tried to contact you, you didn't bother to respond. Despite everything, I registered you for free for almost one year as a Patreon alumni. You are the perfect example to illustrate how I don’t run after money.
Thats's for our background...
That's your right, of course, not to agree with me. But don't write anything about 99 punished for 1 leakers. I never had so much subscribers. And don't worry for them... I know how to please them. If you were still part of my support, you would have already received an email this afternoon on this subject...
It's up to me to finish games, you're right. But only if I want and how I want.
I don't have an idiotic attack of authority, I just defend my vision and my point of view.
 
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