Pics of the scene are still in the game. \game\images\scenes\scene_kjsex\old
... Most of the annoyances so far have been stuff that I find unnecessarily damaging in most AVNs, will get on that later once I am done, because I want for once an explanation (if not from him, from people that think like him, devs and players alike) on how their brain works when they make these ret4rded design choices that only serve to make LI less desirable with zero narrative benefits as a tradeoff.
like I said if that is the case her dialogue is nuts here if we replace the innocent kiss with the innocent sex
Joking aside, I see you are looking at this in a bit more detail than I was expecting, so here's my honest take on it.like I said if that is the case her dialogue is nuts here if we replace the innocent kiss with the innocent sex
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to think that the MC kissing her mom in present timeline is 'bigger' than what she did. If the MC earlier reaction hasn't been altered then IMO he doesn't take it as hard as he should and is way too quick to forgive that level of betrayal.
Lets recount:
First she makes a scene when the MC confesses to her that he thinks her mom was hitting on him just to be a hypocrite and lust over his mom later, after already lusting over his sister.
Then the MC makes her to promise she will not try anything with his mom, promise which she obviously doesn't keep.
Then she snaps at the MC for him 'overreacting' and that its a misunderstanding and not that big of a deal.
Only in the eleventh hour when she realizes the timeline got changed does she try to apologize and the MC forgives her one day later, since for whatever reason she gets all the credit for the Julia-Penny pairing and the MC that brought Penny there gets zero somehow.
I feel like ICC has the 'cool' end goal of parings/harem and scenes he thinks will be hot, but instead of going the right way about it, MC seduces girl A, MC seduces girl B, MC pushes for Girl A and B to get together for threesome/throuple/harem, he goes backwards about it, MC likes girl A, MC likes girl B, Girl A and Girl B get together in the meantime and eventually the MC will be added as a human dildo, 5th wheel, last piece of the puzzle.
You like present Penny and her Godly bush when you start the game? Well, too bad, your mom gets her before you. You like past Julia? Well too bad Kim gets her before you. You like past Penny? Well too bad, you have to share her with your mom, eventually as per present timeline. Do I even need to elaborate on the porn studio plot?
And the excuse for all these questionable decisions is that you will eventually get all of them, so it shouldn't mater how you get there, but it does matter when it seems your MC is only good for everyone's else sloppy seconds, he can't seem to have anything just for himself, or any relationship that is driven by player choice. Maybe one exception, at least where I am in the game the sister seems exclusive, but I am not discounting Kim's vision of the future yet. I don't know if I should count Eva since she is probably just side content.
Glad I found my representative that I didn't know I voted for.
Joking aside I also like lesbians, hell, I am even looking for romance lesbian FemMC games ever since I joined this site. I just don't like them when they are predatory, secretive, or dismissive of the MC I am controlling. Since at its core the entire AVN genre is a dating sim, what is the point in being an insignificant part of a relationship, 5th wheel, human dildo?
AH, that's actually a complaint I've heard less often so far. Obviously, some people are rather upset about hearing about a lover's past sexual experiences, and some people are turned on by it, but there are also people who just don't really care. Like, if my wife told me about some sex move her ex used in a casual conversation about sex, I would probably take it about the same as her telling me about an old job she had at a coffee shop. Now, specifically putting that information into the middle of a sex scene? Uuuhhm ... yeah, I'm gonna have to agree that the only purpose that could serve is for people that are turned on by NTR. That's gonna be hit-or-miss for the audience, for sure.Glad I found my representative that I didn't know I voted for.
Anyway, no, my new biggest gripes with this and AVNs lately is the obsession with LI and future LI not shutting up about past and present sexual relationships that any non drooling moron can already deduce. There is no need for Gwynn, mother of two with no husband in sight to tell us what a freeuse cum dump she used to be in the middle of a lewd scene no less. If a new girl deep throats on first date, I can already deduce she has experience in sucking dicks, I do not need to read about how many dicks she sucked, ffs...
Can you imagine IRL, first time you have sex with your new girlfriend and in the middle of the act she tell you that 'Oh, I hasn't been fucked so good since the last time I was gangbanged', or can you imagine going to a hooker and while you fuck her she tells you 'You know who else fucked me as good as you, the guy from 10:30'. Unless you have cuck tendencies and you like hearing details of the girls you enjoy getting fucked by others, its completely off-putting and it serves zero narrative purpose, just making the future relationship with them less desirable.
How the fuck is DPC the only mfer that has gotten how to write literal prostitutes and still have them be fan favorite characters? You can deduce what they fucking do, you don't need them giving detailed recounting of events while salivating at the mouth, you don't need photos, videos, flashback, voyeur scenes to know that prostitutes do what prostitutes do. Basically, he doesn't fucking rub it in the players faces, its such a simple principle, yet it seems alien to most fledgling devs. Cherry on top, this type of monologue/dialogue is rarely behind player choices to ask for these type of details and 100% of the times happen during prelude/sex, for reasons
So, circling back, my question is about the thought process when writing such dialogue/monologue, what does a dev expect the reader to get out of them?! Someone walk me through it all, because it seems pointless at best and unnecessarily shooting themselves in the foot at worse.
Not sure whether to recommend something to you based on that pairing. Mythos by Nine Of Swords was originally written as a light-hearted supernatural murder mystery, and the sex scenes were added as kind of an afterthought selling point. The sex scenes are all 100% optional, and the MC can be male or female (alternate versions of the same person). So, it's definitely not a dating sim, per say, but it is a lot of fun, and it's all lesbian if you play female MC.
Isn't this just a byproduct of the post-Patreon purge? The dialog in many of these AVNs has to be "Patreon-friendly" as well.
Reminded me of Marla Singer from Fight Club: "Oh my God, I haven’t been fucked like that since grade school."
It will be a harem game (all games by ICCreations end up being harems), but it's not there yet. As for NTR, it depends on what your definition of that is, honestly. Some of the girls who will be in the harem are bisexual (or maybe lesbians who make an exception for the MC). For at least two of them, they will both be in the eventual harem but continue to be sexual with each other as well. Some people consider that NTR and others do not. It does not have the tag, though, because at a minimum they are not yet in a relationship with the MC, so they aren't counted as LIs currently.
Hey Neb, the OP says there is important choices to make is that true? I have played a lot of games that said that same thing, but it usually turns out not being the case. And is any sex scene forced?This is my initial Brightwind Brigade Badge.
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And here its now Yellow.
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Since the last option gives the full yellow badge I assume its the 'YELLOW' variable and there isn't one for black in there.
It will take me a while to organize my 400 screenshots, so I will eventually post the typos and bugs on his discord, but anyone knows about this particular one? Did he retroactively added Black as an option and didn't get to update throughout the story? Or its the opposite he forgot to add black in these scenes?
I didn't see that many choices, let alone important ones so far. Its this myth about sandbox being open world, Freeroam, the reality is that sandbox games are kinetic novels with 20 extra unnecessary clicks on top of them. You need items, relationships points etc and the only way to farm them is by going through each storyline, sure you can pick the order sometimes but you can't avoid most of the stuff. This is why I say its an antiquated game design that should have died in the 2016-2017 era of AVNs.
Ahh so it's one of those games that's a shame but thank you for the detailed answer friend. And yeah, monogamy is what I mostly enjoy in AVN games, so I think its best if I avoid this.I didn't see that many choices, let alone important ones so far. Its this myth about sandbox being open world, Freeroam, the reality is that sandbox games are kinetic novels with 20 extra unnecessary clicks on top of them. You need items, relationships points etc and the only way to farm them is by going through each storyline, sure you can pick the order sometimes but you can't avoid most of the stuff. This is why I say its an antiquated game design that should have died in the 2016-2017 era of AVNs.
I don't remember, you also like to play monogamy routes? Then its not for you, most relationships and scenes are forced onto you one way, or another, you are given some options to not escalate things, you can avoid creeping on people at night(classic sleep rape, that sort of stuff) but for the most part you are just along for the ride.
The only reason I am putting up with it is because I have been watching the dev' DAZ livestreams and he seems like a decent person, I said I have to do my best to give his game a fair shot, but don't think I will ever support something like this.
Did he retroactively added Black as an option and didn't get to update throughout the story? Or its the opposite he forgot to add black in these scenes?
I am code challenged, but from what URM detects, there is a check for red, blue, green, purple, orange and the last one doesn't show a label, so I just assumed it was supposed to be yellow as default. Black is clearly missing at that scene check.
Well, in case you were curious:
scene oliviasaved_25
if mc_bb_badge_right == 'RED':
show oliviasaved_25_right_red:
xpos 250 ypos 501
elif mc_bb_badge_right == 'BLUE':
show oliviasaved_25_right_blue:
xpos 250 ypos 501
elif mc_bb_badge_right == 'GREEN':
show oliviasaved_25_right_green:
xpos 250 ypos 501
elif mc_bb_badge_right == 'PURPLE':
show oliviasaved_25_right_purple:
xpos 250 ypos 501
elif mc_bb_badge_right == 'ORANGE':
show oliviasaved_25_right_orange:
xpos 250 ypos 501
else:
show oliviasaved_25_right_yellow:
xpos 250 ypos 501
with fade