Ayame#1Fan

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I'd rather have an argument with someone that didn't always metaphorically sound like they had Deep's balls down their throat. I mean, you're famous for sucking up to him but let's ignore that for the sake of the argument. Perhaps I should start calling you DeepSleep and make a rumor you're him because apparently that's how these rumors start.

Let me tell you something that will also work for real life and pay close attention to it because it's a really important guideline: Other people being shit does not give you an excuse to be shit. If I kill two people and you kill one, doesn't make you less of a murderer. I called him on making consistently smaller patches. Slowing down the progress at which he releases patches. Changing his attitude towards patrons and the community the more money he made. These are all facts that I can easily provide data for.

What he "tries" to deliver is what's subjective. Are you next to him checking what he's doing or not? Obviously, that's rhetorical because you either aren't or you're shilling which makes in both cases, your affirmation pointless.

I make my judgement based on attitudes and what he releases. Quantity, quality and speed. Not what he says he or his computer most of the times, is doing. You're taking his word at face value. He's given me personally and according to my standards many reasons not to believe what he says at face value. In my line of work we don't take people's word for facts until they are backed up by facts. We give them the benefit of the doubt until they are shown to be loyal or disloyal in their intentions and make judgements based on empirical proof.

I don't think you have standards let alone high standards. Anyone who thinks this is a good RPG has an horrible taste in RPG Maker created games or hasn't done any research. People already proved this should've been a Renpy game from the get go. The images are really well done but that's it. This game could easily be a web comic like the little stories he does now and then but those don't generate as much money so it's disguised as a game. There's absolutely no gameplay, the story is garbage and the hentai scenes are short and poorly written which again, is kinda saved by the quality of the images/animations.

Want an example of a 3D rendered game that is heaps ahead of this and makes it look like trash? Look at Jessica O'neill Hard News which I never claimed to be milking, I stated it was ironic that the developer used to give people shit about their delays and is now on a near to a month delay himself but regardless, he is creating a good game with a good story, pace, dialogue, scenarios and everything that composes a good VN. Anna's is garbage in everything other than the 3D renders.

And that's why I don't have to say if I could or would make a better game. From a consumer point of view I can point out terms of comparison as to why this game is shit instead of having to do better myself. This game is shit because the story is nonexistent, it's buggy and poorly coded, you have to press enter to go through maps, some animations hang, you can climb on tilesets you shouldn't be able to constantly, the map is horrible and non intuitive, soundtrack is mostly taken from other games and the dev can't even bother to go online and look for "original" stuff himself, sprites last time I checked were crap, hentai scenes barely have any dialogue and its crap, grammar is crap. From any point of view you judge this game for other than the images, it is crap.

I didn't flame Deep. I pointed out a simple fact, he got butthurt because that's what he does.

Have a nice day as well.
 
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Pogo123

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I'd rather have an argument with someone that didn't always metaphorically sound like they had Deep's balls down their throat. I mean, you're famous for sucking up to him but let's ignore that for the sake of the argument. Perhaps I should start calling you DeepSleep and make a rumor you're him because apparently that's how these rumors start.

Let me tell you something that will also work for real life and pay close attention to it because it's a really important guideline: Other people being shit does not give you an excuse to be shit. If I kill two people and you kill one, doesn't make you less of a murderer. I called him on making consistently smaller patches. Slowing down the progress at which he releases patches. Changing his attitude towards patrons and the community the more money he made. These are all facts that I can easily provide data for.

What he "tries" to deliver is what's subjective. Are you next to him checking what he's doing or not? Obviously, that's rhetorical because you either aren't or you're shilling which makes in both cases, your affirmation pointless.

I make my judgement based on attitudes and what he releases. Quantity, quality and speed. Not what he says he or his computer most of the times, is doing. You're taking his word at face value. He's given me personally and according to my standards many reasons not to believe what he says at face value. In my line of work we don't take people's word for facts until they are backed up by facts. We give them the benefit of the doubt until they are shown to be loyal or disloyal in their intentions and make judgements based on empirical proof.

I don't think you have standards let alone high standards. Anyone who thinks this is a good RPG has an horrible taste in RPG Maker created games or hasn't done any research. People already proved this should've been a Renpy game from the get go. The images are really well done but that's it. This game could easily be a web comic like the little stories he does now and then but those don't generate as much money so it's disguised as a game. There's absolutely no gameplay, the story is garbage and the hentai scenes are short and poorly written which again, is kinda saved by the quality of the images/animations.

Want an example of a 3D rendered game that is heaps ahead of this and makes it look like trash? Look at Jessica O'neill Hard News which I never claimed to be milking, I stated it was ironic that the developer used to give people shit about their delays and is now on a near to a month delay himself but regardless, he is creating a good game with a good story, pace, dialogue, scenarios and everything that composes a good VN. Anna's is garbage in everything other than the 3D renders.

And that's why I don't have to say if I could or would make a better game. From a consumer point of view I can point out terms of comparison as to why this game is shit instead of having to do better myself. This game is shit because the story is nonexistent, it's buggy and poorly coded, you have to press enter to go through maps, some animations hang, you can climb on tilesets you shouldn't be able to constantly, the map is horrible and non intuitive, soundtrack is mostly taken from other games and the dev can't even bother to go online and look for "original" stuff himself, sprites last time I checked were crap, hentai scenes barely have any dialogue and its crap, grammar is crap. From any point of view you judge this game for other than the images, it is crap.

I didn't flame Deep. I pointed out a simple fact, he got butthurt because that's what he does.

Have a nice day as well.
Post your valid sources then.
And btw: JOHN?! Of all possible examples your bring this game? And call me a balls deep sucker? lmfao
stoper quality is good and he shows he can do better regarding his comic Bella’s first Sin. But his updates are more or less shit, his story is maybe more consistent but only cause his updates are poor and damn delayed. his characters are mostly well written but still boring, his mc looks pretty but Anna looks far better than Jessica.
much fewer fetishes (far too much boring husband and lesbo stuff)

with your „valid“ arguments nearly every game here with 3D renders could just be a comic lol smh.


My gosh pls come down from your high horse or i have to vomit.

and thx for wishing me a nice day! will try to have one;)

Edit: hate to be rude but your wording is very provocative.
And I like stoper he is a nice guy too and JOHN is more or less good and solid game. I just pref AEA more. So I apologise of this sounded more negative.

Deep sorry that such stuff happens in your thread. ._. At least you know how to react and work with such stuff
 
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I'd rather have an argument with someone that didn't always metaphorically sound like they had Deep's balls down their throat. I mean, you're famous for sucking up to him but let's ignore that for the sake of the argument. Perhaps I should start calling you DeepSleep and make a rumor you're him because apparently that's how these rumors start.

Let me tell you something that will also work for real life and pay close attention to it because it's a really important guideline: Other people being shit does not give you an excuse to be shit. If I kill two people and you kill one, doesn't make you less of a murderer. I called him on making consistently smaller patches. Slowing down the progress at which he releases patches. Changing his attitude towards patrons and the community the more money he made. These are all facts that I can easily provide data for.

What he "tries" to deliver is what's subjective. Are you next to him checking what he's doing or not? Obviously, that's rhetorical because you either aren't or you're shilling which makes in both cases, your affirmation pointless.

I make my judgement based on attitudes and what he releases. Quantity, quality and speed. Not what he says he or his computer most of the times, is doing. You're taking his word at face value. He's given me personally and according to my standards many reasons not to believe what he says at face value. In my line of work we don't take people's word for facts until they are backed up by facts. We give them the benefit of the doubt until they are shown to be loyal or disloyal in their intentions and make judgements based on empirical proof.

I don't think you have standards let alone high standards. Anyone who thinks this is a good RPG has an horrible taste in RPG Maker created games or hasn't done any research. People already proved this should've been a Renpy game from the get go. The images are really well done but that's it. This game could easily be a web comic like the little stories he does now and then but those don't generate as much money so it's disguised as a game. There's absolutely no gameplay, the story is garbage and the hentai scenes are short and poorly written which again, is kinda saved by the quality of the images/animations.

Want an example of a 3D rendered game that is heaps ahead of this and makes it look like trash? Look at Jessica O'neill Hard News which I never claimed to be milking, I stated it was ironic that the developer used to give people shit about their delays and is now on a near to a month delay himself but regardless, he is creating a good game with a good story, pace, dialogue, scenarios and everything that composes a good VN. Anna's is garbage in everything other than the 3D renders.

And that's why I don't have to say if I could or would make a better game. From a consumer point of view I can point out terms of comparison as to why this game is shit instead of having to do better myself. This game is shit because the story is nonexistent, it's buggy and poorly coded, you have to press enter to go through maps, some animations hang, you can climb on tilesets you shouldn't be able to constantly, the map is horrible and non intuitive, soundtrack is mostly taken from other games and the dev can't even bother to go online and look for "original" stuff himself, sprites last time I checked were crap, hentai scenes barely have any dialogue and its crap, grammar is crap. From any point of view you judge this game for other than the images, it is crap.

I didn't flame Deep. I pointed out a simple fact, he got butthurt because that's what he does.

Have a nice day as well.
I feel your pain. Everything will be alright someday :)
 

Pogo123

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What with the hobbo talk? If there is a hobbo I hope to see rape, because I don't see Anna, or any other girl for the matter, fucking a hobbo just for fun.
rape seems like a „fun“ idea but pls without that extrem kinky bdsm stuff.(Personal opinion)

on the other hand:I think it’s more about Annas big heart and how she tries to help him cause she feels worried about him. I mean that’s what pretty hot girls should do in real life:dont fuck for money and connections but for pleasure and caring:p
 
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rape seems like a „fun“ idea but pls without that extrem kinky bdsm stuff.(Personal opinion)

on the other hand:I think it’s more about Annas big heart and how she tries to help him cause she feels worried about him. I mean that’s what pretty hot girls should do in real life:dont fuck for money and connections but for pleasure and caring:p
Are you referring to me??? :unsure: "but pls without that extrem kinky bdsm stuff." :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Just kidding brotha. ;)
I agree on that (no bdsm/bondage for the hobo, but some kind of "rape" maybe:unsure:) That stuff fits better to Ash and Jer for us who like them;)
 
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Judging by the render, this action will take place in the same area where the bar, i think it would be better if Patrick made Anna fuck with a tramp o_Othe plot can beat like this, Patrick has money problems as a result, he can lose his business, he has very little time to raise money, he doesn’t know what to do, and then Anna catches his eye, he remembers what she owes him and what she did for him, shone her pussy and boobs all over the bar, sucked dick from clients only because he told her so that he fucked her when she was drunk, he sees how visitors look at Anna, and understands that if he gives them the opportunity to fuck her, they will give any amount of money for it, he invites Anna to his office and tells her that she has the opportunity to pay off all her debts, and she will be free, after which he tells her what Anna needs to do for this, they begin to swear Anna says that she is not a whore and runs from Patrick’s office to the street right in the bar dress, through the back door, evil Patrick follows Anna to the street, where he tells her that this was not a request, she simply has no choice, anna in shock can not believe that she really has to do it, she does not understand when she managed to turn into a whore, in the background, Patrick notices a trampr who has an erection from Anna's appearance(she is in a bar dress) he gives a dick and begins to masturbatehe gives a dick and begins to masturbate, patrick decides to teach Anna a lesson, he tells Anna to turn around and says that this is her first client, she should serve him as a result, Anna gets fucked with a tramp!!!!Of course, there will be a choice, if Anna agrees to Patrick's proposal in her office, then this scene will not be.
 

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I'd rather have an argument with someone that didn't always metaphorically sound like they had Deep's balls down their throat. I mean, you're famous for sucking up to him but let's ignore that for the sake of the argument. Perhaps I should start calling you DeepSleep and make a rumor you're him because apparently that's how these rumors start.

Let me tell you something that will also work for real life and pay close attention to it because it's a really important guideline: Other people being shit does not give you an excuse to be shit. If I kill two people and you kill one, doesn't make you less of a murderer. I called him on making consistently smaller patches. Slowing down the progress at which he releases patches. Changing his attitude towards patrons and the community the more money he made. These are all facts that I can easily provide data for.

What he "tries" to deliver is what's subjective. Are you next to him checking what he's doing or not? Obviously, that's rhetorical because you either aren't or you're shilling which makes in both cases, your affirmation pointless.

I make my judgement based on attitudes and what he releases. Quantity, quality and speed. Not what he says he or his computer most of the times, is doing. You're taking his word at face value. He's given me personally and according to my standards many reasons not to believe what he says at face value. In my line of work we don't take people's word for facts until they are backed up by facts. We give them the benefit of the doubt until they are shown to be loyal or disloyal in their intentions and make judgements based on empirical proof.

I don't think you have standards let alone high standards. Anyone who thinks this is a good RPG has an horrible taste in RPG Maker created games or hasn't done any research. People already proved this should've been a Renpy game from the get go. The images are really well done but that's it. This game could easily be a web comic like the little stories he does now and then but those don't generate as much money so it's disguised as a game. There's absolutely no gameplay, the story is garbage and the hentai scenes are short and poorly written which again, is kinda saved by the quality of the images/animations.

Want an example of a 3D rendered game that is heaps ahead of this and makes it look like trash? Look at Jessica O'neill Hard News which I never claimed to be milking, I stated it was ironic that the developer used to give people shit about their delays and is now on a near to a month delay himself but regardless, he is creating a good game with a good story, pace, dialogue, scenarios and everything that composes a good VN. Anna's is garbage in everything other than the 3D renders.

And that's why I don't have to say if I could or would make a better game. From a consumer point of view I can point out terms of comparison as to why this game is shit instead of having to do better myself. This game is shit because the story is nonexistent, it's buggy and poorly coded, you have to press enter to go through maps, some animations hang, you can climb on tilesets you shouldn't be able to constantly, the map is horrible and non intuitive, soundtrack is mostly taken from other games and the dev can't even bother to go online and look for "original" stuff himself, sprites last time I checked were crap, hentai scenes barely have any dialogue and its crap, grammar is crap. From any point of view you judge this game for other than the images, it is crap.

I didn't flame Deep. I pointed out a simple fact, he got butthurt because that's what he does.

Have a nice day as well.
I really don't want to poke this, now that it seems to have finally stopped, but my curiosity is far greater than my better sense of judgement. I want to make it clear that I do not intend to be insulting or judge you in any serious manner. I will try to avoid being nitpicky and too unjust, although I do not guarantee that I might not rub off in having "Deep's balls down my throat" especially considering my other posts. For the same reason I will not respond to any answer, whatever that response could be.

I find it slightly amusing that you point out very accurately that some things are subjective and also point out things that are your opinion, however, at the same time you push very subjective things as facts. Almost everything you have written, which you implicitly seem to consider as facts, are very much subjective. The fact that so many people disagree with you is proof of that in some form, even though you might question the credibility of said proof. You consider them to be wrong according to your morals and experiences, but that does not necessarily mean they are wrong. In the same vein, yes, it does not mean you are wrong either. The majority is not always right and sometimes people can actually be wrong without it being a subjective opinion. The issue is that the subject material in this case is very much subjective as well as your proposed data. That data is interpreted by you but not everyone expects the things you expect which means someone could interpret that data differently. The credibility of that data can not only be judged by you, the judgement of said data is another topic entirely, and I have not, and will not do that topic justice here.

The subject material in this case, which in short is entertainment, is one of the most subjective topics there is. People will eagerly defend things they are passionate about, it is natural, I would imagine you have also felt this urge in your life. I for one, as an example, can recall a reviewer of a video game criticizing certain gameplay elements they considered was a detriment to the game. I remember feeling that urge to defend the product because I considered those very gameplay elements to be a positive element of the game and very much to my enjoyment. In the same way, that passion can make you more eligible to defend a developer of something you enjoy. That urge came from a place of passion but it also showcases the extremely subjective nature of entertainment.

You voice some opinions about standards. Standards are often a way of creating more objective methods to categorize subjective opinions. Some people have high standards others have low standards, this is just a way to put consumers in a category which best depicts their opinion and tastes compared to the rest of the consumers. The very nature of low standards is that some people are just satisfied with less than most others and don't really need all that flair to be happy. You undoubtedly have high standards, due to the fact that many of the flaws prevents you from enjoying the product. It does not matter that some of the flaws are subjective and some are factual, the last point still remains. Many people use standards wrongfully as something to drive home their opinion, having high standards or low standards makes absolutely no difference in how much your opinion matters.

Sure this game has flaws, everything has flaws, but if you enjoy something enough you can see past those flaws even without being overly passionate about something, just your enjoyment of the experience will often prevent you from focusing too much on the flaws. This applies to almost everything, be it a video game, a good friend or the love of your life.

I have no idea what your line of work is but to the very limited information available to me at a glance I can only assume you are a lawyer? Then you should very much be aware of the subjective nature of mankind. You should also know that even though most justice systems have an objective and impartial mindset and structure, the people that wield that justice are emotional creatures. You can mimic being impartial but no one is truly unbiased no matter how hard you try, even though it is plausible to mimic it well enough. Judgements can, have and are made without definitive empirical proof although it is rare nowadays to the best of my knowledge. I will not put much weight behind this paragraph, especially the last sentence, since my judicial education is extremely limited and barebones as well as most likely not even from the same country as yours, so feel free to ridicule me.

Finally I would like to point out that you do not have to stir up a fanbase. I am guessing you find some form of enjoyment from it, but if you consider people to be so moronic and, implicitly expressed, beneath you then why waste your breath, why care so much. Just live your life, sure you can voice your opinion but why bother trying to convince people so much? Most of the people that agree with you have most likely already come to the same conclusion as you. All this arguing will not lead anywhere and it is quite frankly not unique, almost every thread has this opinion whether it's deserved or not it will always be there. I can't say for certain as I don't really care enough to dig into your posts, but I have seen you around in other threads and it seems you often fight against the fanbase. You could make an effort in not sounding so brash when raising your opinion, I would wager that it would really help you out in not being sicced on by so many fans.

Again I have nothing against you, I just felt compelled to give an answer be that more from passion or something else. I just felt you were a bit adamant in what is correct and what is wrong, and I hope I gave you a well explained reason for my criticism. In the end we are all just a bunch of nobodies behind a computer screen that enjoy porn. Have a good day and thanks for reading! Especially if you are not even apart of this discussion, there really ought to be better things for you to do!
 
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