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asahibito

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Does your gallery and WT work on this version?
Gallery will still mostly work but I already found one entry that broke with this update so probably need to recheck things and update. There are too many changes in this update that I would wait for the walkthrough mod to be updated. Working on it.

EDIT: Plus I already reported a few more bugs to the developer. So might wait and see if there are fixes before finalizing the walkthrough mod.
 

blkcrow820

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Gallery will still mostly work but I already found one entry that broke with this update so probably need to recheck things and update. There are too many changes in this update that I would wait for the walkthrough mod to be updated. Working on it.

EDIT: Plus I already reported a few more bugs to the developer. So might wait and see if there are fixes before finalizing the walkthrough mod.
Thank you for the quick response!
 

WatsonJohn

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The current direction of the game has worsened over the update. When the game started, it started out strong and bold. It started with a clear conflict and the author was not afraid of making things uncomfortable for the player in order to give an experience that doesn't just coddle with our sexual expectations. This game had all the intricacies and complications that swinging, open relationships, and sexual explorations that a couple may experience. It's not all sunshine and rainbows, a partner may make mistakes or there may be regrets, but it can be spicy as a Carolina Reaper too, which reflects so well with reality. The characters don't coddle the main character, they're not revolving their universe around the MC; they have their own desires and motivations and could just be as hostile as the MC, given the circumstances. This is one thing that the game had so much potential in creating a compelling narrative - something that a lot of games sadly don't understand by constantly coddling and rewarding the player or just by having a weak and frivolous conflict.

I really liked that the game suggests that the player could easily just have a threesome with Steph and Tori, so long as he swoons Steph the right way. The MC in the game reflects this. He was so excited and confident that he's going to have that threesome with the blessing of his best friend, no less. But as we slowly find out, Steph isn't an easy character. She's not just going to bend over and give the MC what he wants like so many female characters on this site where they just keep on indulging and freely giving the MC all the love and sex like he wants. The MC in this game has to make compromises and weave through the situation with grace else he regrets his decisions. Then we later find out that Jason isn't the most honest person and is actually mischievous. The impression he gives, the "you can fuck my wife no strings attached promise" isn't what it seems. And the promise of a threesome that the MC wants so badly seems like a trickery. Turns out, Jason plans to fuck your wife, and depending on your choices, Tori may not even want to fuck the MC at all, leaving him high and dry. And now, Steph is into the idea of fucking Jason, and the MC might get the short end of the stick and get nothing at all. I liked the way the game crushes the player's expectations. I liked how the game pulls the rug under the MC and when he notices it, it's already too late. I liked how the game gives a compelling conflict and how it reflects some aspects of swinging in real life. I liked how the MC could get cucked even though he's the one who introduced the idea to his wife. The game is not perfect by any means. It has flaws that the audience was right to point out but this has also caused the game to lose its tracks when the author decided to make things too easy and comfortable for the player.

The people here were right that the MC's actions were too restrictive. The game doesn't give the players the freedom to do certain things that seem like an obvious response to a situation. This created an agonizing experience for some when the game and characters such as Steph or Tori seemed to keep on piling on the MC and he could not retort appropriately. But the problem isn't in the characters like Steph and Tori - they're good characters and the player has to wrestle them in order to get what he desires. The problem is the limited decisions that the MC could make. But now the author decided to mellow their character down. In low confidence route, Steph no longer exclaims how she now wants more cocks, shocking the MC as he slowly realizes his mistake. Steph is no longer as fierce as before. In Jason and Tori's house, the scenes where Tori badly disappoints the MC and the MC getting cucked are gone. The reveal of Jason's deception by Tori and exclaiming her desire not wanting to be with the MC is replaced with something more mellow. The possible shock and disappointment of the MC are sadly replaced with something softer in order to coddle the player. Jason now only looks respectfully at Steph wearing lingerie, a far cry from what had been. The MC also gets a free soft threesome by having to suck Tori's boob. Hurray! More coddling for the player, the same shit that most games on this site had been doing. Might as well have Jason be a full cuck and the MC gets to take everything. It's so sad how low and soft the game had become in order to make it comfortable for thin-skinned players. Before, the actions of the player carried more weight because the consequences were more dire and realistic. The game had so much potential but now the decisions of the player aren't as gratifying and rewarding. The main characters had become soft just to quell the insecurities of some players. It would have been better if we were given the option to retaliate or scheme in order for the MC to get the upper hand. But nope, the easy route it is. It's so sad how the vision of the author had to be distorted and now we have a less compelling game. When are we going to realize that players aren't the best writers? The game had a perfect balance of swinging and cuckoldry/netorare. Just because it makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's bad. Have you read ASOIAF? Does GRRM just give the good guys a happy life with easy problems to deal with? No. And it's better and more compelling that way. There were so many scenes in that book series that were uncomfortable. Things don't always go well with our beloved characters. And it's more satisfying to read because of the conflict, because the author doesn't coddle his characters. Ned Stark died. Rob Stark died. Oberyn's head got crushed. If the direction of the story went with how the readers wanted, then none of those things would happen. They would all get a happy ending and we would get a shittier series. But GRRM is the author for a reason, and his books are beloved for a reason. For the love of god, stop making players write the game and let the author focus on the vision of their story.
 
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Rastafoo

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It did go down the cuck path, but the fan base backlash led to changes.


Yeah definitely. And Steph has another secret from the MC at the end of it. Its probably a fun one this time though
I haven't seen any backlash and I've been in the steam comments of updates since Day 1.
I think you're confusing freeloading f95 users, compared to genuine fans.
 

TiffanyMonroe

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That's clearly false. Here, some players bitching about Steph and NTR.
That link won't load for me. Are they complaining that there is ntr or complaining there's not enough ntr? I see the tag so did the dev remove it? Can we only fuck other mens wives or do we have to get cucked too? :unsure:
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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I haven't seen any backlash and I've been in the steam comments of updates since Day 1.
I think you're confusing freeloading f95 users, compared to genuine fans.
How could you possibly have missed them? Some have been removed now. FYI many posters on this thread have paid for the game because it was so cheap.
 

asahibito

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Update broke my Alternate End mod for the Jason-Steph scene. Please uninstall my mod to see the updated version of that scene. Working on updating the mod.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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The current direction of the game has worsened over the update. When the game started, it started out strong and bold. It started with a clear conflict and the author was not afraid of making things uncomfortable for the player in order to give an experience that doesn't just coddle with our sexual expectations. This game had all the intricacies and complications that swinging, open relationships, and sexual explorations that a couple may experience. It's not all sunshine and rainbows, a partner may make mistakes or there may be regrets, but it can be spicy as a Carolina Reaper too, which reflects so well with reality. The characters don't coddle the main character, they're not revolving their universe around the MC; they have their own desires and motivations and could just be as hostile as the MC, given the circumstances. This is one thing that the game had so much potential in creating a compelling narrative - something that a lot of games sadly don't understand by constantly coddling and rewarding the player or just by having a weak and frivolous conflict.

I really liked that the game suggests that the player could easily just have a threesome with Steph and Tori, so long as he swoons Steph the right way. The MC in the game reflects this. He was so excited and confident that he's going to have that threesome with the blessing of his best friend, no less. But as we slowly find out, Steph isn't an easy character. She's not just going to bend over and give the MC what he wants like so many female characters on this site where they just keep on indulging and freely giving the MC all the love and sex like he wants. The MC in this game has to make compromises and weave through the situation with grace else he regrets his decisions. Then we later find out that Jason isn't the most honest person and is actually mischievous. The impression he gives, the "you can fuck my wife no strings attached promise" isn't what it seems. And the promise of a threesome that the MC wants so badly seems like a trickery. Turns out, Jason plans to fuck your wife, and depending on your choices, Tori may not even want to fuck the MC at all, leaving him high and dry. And now, Steph is into the idea of fucking Jason, and the MC might get the short end of the stick and get nothing at all. I liked the way the game crushes the player's expectations. I liked how the game pulls the rug under the MC and when he notices it, it's already too late. I liked how the game gives a compelling conflict and how it reflects some aspects of swinging in real life. I liked how the MC could get cucked even though he's the one who introduced the idea to his wife. The game is not perfect by any means. It has flaws that the audience was right to point out but this has also caused the game to lose its tracks when the author decided to make things too easy and comfortable for the player.

The people here were right that the MC's actions were too restrictive. The game doesn't give the players the freedom to do certain things that seem like an obvious response to a situation. This created an agonizing experience for some when the game and characters such as Steph or Tori seemed to keep on piling on the MC and he could not retort appropriately. But the problem isn't in the characters like Steph and Tori - they're good characters and the player has to wrestle them in order to get what he desires. The problem is the limited decisions that the MC could make. But now the author decided to mellow their character down. In low confidence route, Steph no longer exclaims how she now wants more cocks, shocking the MC as he slowly realizes his mistake. Steph is no longer as fierce as before. In Jason and Tori's house, the scenes where Tori badly disappoints the MC and the MC getting cucked are gone. The reveal of Jason's deception by Tori and exclaiming her desire not wanting to be with the MC is replaced with something more mellow. The possible shock and disappointment of the MC are sadly replaced with something softer in order to coddle the player. Jason now only looks respectfully at Steph wearing lingerie, a far cry from what had been. The MC also gets a free soft threesome by having to suck Tori's boob. Hurray! More coddling for the player, the same shit that most games on this site had been doing. Might as well have Jason be a full cuck and the MC gets to take everything. It's so sad how low and soft the game had become in order to make it comfortable for thin-skinned players. Before, the actions of the player carried more weight because the consequences were more dire and realistic. The game had so much potential but now the decisions of the player aren't as gratifying and rewarding. The main characters had become soft just to quell the insecurities of some players. It would have been better if we were given the option to retaliate or scheme in order for the MC to get the upper hand. But nope, the easy route it is. It's so sad how the vision of the author had to be distorted and now we have a less compelling game. When are we going to realize that players aren't the best writers? The game had a perfect balance of swinging and cuckoldry/netorare. Just because it makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean it's bad. Have you read ASOIAF? Does GRRM just give the good guys a happy life with easy problems to deal with? No. And it's better and more compelling that way. There were so many scenes in that book series that were uncomfortable. Things don't always go well with our beloved characters. And it's more satisfying to read because of the conflict, because the author doesn't coddle his characters. Ned Stark died. Rob Stark died. Oberyn's head got crushed. If the direction of the story went with how the readers wanted, then none of those things would happen. They would all get a happy ending and we would get a shittier series. But GRRM is the author for a reason, and his books are beloved for a reason. For the love of god, stop making players write the game and let the author focus on the vision of their story.
I agree with your first two paragraphs, but only some of your third. We might have to agree to disagree.

The game you were expecting was never going to happen. With 106 it looked like they were going that way, but it was never their intention. They were genuinely surprised with the netorare backlash. In their eyes the game didn't play that way. You can blame the fans of the game all you like, and yes fans have swayed the devs on numerous occasions, but the very core of the game, the confidence mechanic and restrictive actions are not something the devs will consider changing.

I agree the MC's actions are too restrictive, I said it a hundreds time I'm sure. It won't change because of the self-imposed restrictions of the devs. To quote the dev, the player is not the MC. Players are along for the ride. MC's love of Steph is unconditional. That quote was incorporated in to this update because I argued that no marriage was unconditional. The devs would not hear it and now its been included in the dialogue to push the point. Steph will never deliberately hurt the MC. There was never going to be netorare which surprised me. The idea the marriage could break down or be threatened is not something they will entertain. There will be no divorce ending, their words not mine. The problem is not appeasing fans or changing the peripheral edges of their story.

Steph only wanted more cocks on the original cuck/low confidence route. Steph was not going to set out to hurt the MC. She says it a heap of times throughout the game. I think it is ridiculous. There is no way her disrespect and actions cannot cause him hurt on every confidence and there is no way she is not aware of it. Even if they go there, Steph will never face the consequences of her actions. The MC will always forgive her and be held back. So unless the devs suddenly departed from their unwavering attitude towards the MC and Steph, you were never going to get the game you expected. He was going to be just another stereotypical cuck. There is merit, I think, in the devs trying to break from the used and abused cuck trope and for trying something different. If it doesn't work at least they tried to do something different.

I don't agree Steph and Tori are good characters. This is a VN not a GRRM novel. GRRM's characters were impressive for different reasons. I hated Little Finger but I couldn't help but admire his tenacity and conniving. There is the difference. No matter what utter bastards GRRM character's were, and how much you hate them, you couldn't help but respect and even admire his main characters. They were where they were for a reason. Good or bad they earnt it.

Tori and Steph have nothing to admire. They are broken women who have nothing but what's between the legs to commend them. Tori is only where she is because Jason saved her. She hasn't earnt her place. Steph is the centre of Tori's attention because Steph has a problem and Tori wants to help in her perverted way because Tori is just another bored woman looking for diversion. I think there could be a story there in the damage Tori could potential do to Steph, but I'm not the dev of this VN. As for Steph she obviously has mental health problems. There may be a story there with her big reveal. I can't agree it is the fans fault you are disappointed. The devs are the ones who restrict AMW.
 

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The submissive cuckold/Low-confidence path was never intended to be perceived "negatively," and still is not; part of the three levels of winning the devs describe. As any of the submissive cuckold fans can attest, they love the path and do not believe it should be the consequence of "losing" the game. The devs did not count on the backlash from the anti-NTR brigade or that the cuckold-path has to be submissive. They got it from both sides.

Despite the strong feedback they have received, I appreciate the devs stance that they will ultimately not change their story or the mechanics. I also don't have to like those decisions. Ultimately, I only care about how the high-confidence path plays out. If it ends with a happily married couple in an open relationship, I have no complaints. I am not a fan of cuckold stories and therefore do not care how that branch works out.

For the folks who are in the two above groups, anti-NTR or anti-submissive cuckold, they will likely be unhappy with this game.
 

CWaki

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Hello lads,
Since v1.06f on I'm unable to see thr Jeff-Steph scene. I tried to follow the steps the Dev posted:

EDIT = Best way to Trigger Jason/Steph scenes.

1. At the bar on Friday night, select the option to be cautious before Steph ever flirts with Donny. That sends you home with your wife and sets up a Saturday opportunity for a threesome with Donny.

To trigger the Jason/Steph watch scene - Watch as long as you can in the threesome with Donny on Saturday. You will get two opportunities to join, select watch instead. After the threesome is over, tell Steph you enjoyed watching. That will lock you into seeing the Jason Steph scene where Jason dominates.

To trigger the other Jason/Steph scene where Steph dominates, don't do any watching during the threesome with Donny. Then, at the club, don't go see Amber. Go talk to the girls dancing and go to the bathroom. Come back to the booth after two activities that don't involve Amber. When Steph brings Donny to the booth, say you want to play her game the first time then change your mind and tell Gina to end the game. This should send you home with Steph and Gina and medium confidence. Medium confidence going to Tori's without watching is what triggers the Steph dominant scene.

This is not the only way to trigger these scenes, its just the easiest way to trigger both from a root Friday night path.

*****


There are two opportunities to watch Steph early in the game. One is when you come home and she's already having sex with Donny. The other is if you have the threesome on Saturday. Watching her puts you on a path where she asks Jason to dominate her. You have to give both of them permission to do it. You give Steph permission before you leave the house by saying she can go after what she wants. You give Jason permission between the first and second round of the lingerie show if you tell him you are fine with something happening between him and Steph.

To trigger the other Jason and Steph scene, you have to be in the middle path, so no scene at the house with Paul. It's really hard to say what lands you dead middle on Saturday night, but you can tell if you are there if Steph and Gina are into you but not drooling over you in the dialogue.


Even tried many other choices always using new game option but I always end up with Steph in lingerie on the sofa anf Jef looking at her.

I also erased the game completely and use a brand new installation, although the same results.

Whats it's really weird is that I cannot find any folder related to this game in :\Users\...\AppData\Roaming\RenPy, so I cannot erased it and I always, even with the new updates files, get my saved files.

Where are they stored then? Anyone can tell me how to erased the saved files in this game or reset it? At least tell me how to get the Jef-Steph scene?

Thank you in advanced for yor help.
 

Nurikabe

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Hello lads,
Since v1.06f on I'm unable to see thr Jeff-Steph scene. I tried to follow the steps the Dev posted:

EDIT = Best way to Trigger Jason/Steph scenes.

1. At the bar on Friday night, select the option to be cautious before Steph ever flirts with Donny. That sends you home with your wife and sets up a Saturday opportunity for a threesome with Donny.

To trigger the Jason/Steph watch scene - Watch as long as you can in the threesome with Donny on Saturday. You will get two opportunities to join, select watch instead. After the threesome is over, tell Steph you enjoyed watching. That will lock you into seeing the Jason Steph scene where Jason dominates.

To trigger the other Jason/Steph scene where Steph dominates, don't do any watching during the threesome with Donny. Then, at the club, don't go see Amber. Go talk to the girls dancing and go to the bathroom. Come back to the booth after two activities that don't involve Amber. When Steph brings Donny to the booth, say you want to play her game the first time then change your mind and tell Gina to end the game. This should send you home with Steph and Gina and medium confidence. Medium confidence going to Tori's without watching is what triggers the Steph dominant scene.

This is not the only way to trigger these scenes, its just the easiest way to trigger both from a root Friday night path.

*****


There are two opportunities to watch Steph early in the game. One is when you come home and she's already having sex with Donny. The other is if you have the threesome on Saturday. Watching her puts you on a path where she asks Jason to dominate her. You have to give both of them permission to do it. You give Steph permission before you leave the house by saying she can go after what she wants. You give Jason permission between the first and second round of the lingerie show if you tell him you are fine with something happening between him and Steph.

To trigger the other Jason and Steph scene, you have to be in the middle path, so no scene at the house with Paul. It's really hard to say what lands you dead middle on Saturday night, but you can tell if you are there if Steph and Gina are into you but not drooling over you in the dialogue.


Even tried many other choices always using new game option but I always end up with Steph in lingerie on the sofa anf Jef looking at her.

I also erased the game completely and use a brand new installation, although the same results.

Whats it's really weird is that I cannot find any folder related to this game in :\Users\...\AppData\Roaming\RenPy, so I cannot erased it and I always, even with the new updates files, get my saved files.

Where are they stored then? Anyone can tell me how to erased the saved files in this game or reset it? At least tell me how to get the Jef-Steph scene?

Thank you in advanced for yor help.
It is located in "%\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\OptionTrading-1662318409"
 
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Nafig

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Another Man's Wife? When the only wife that got fuck senseless are our fucking wife? This game should be called My Slutty Wife or My Bitchy Wife not "Another Man's Wife". I mean at least be honest with your content, man.
Agree! For the opportunity to lick Tori's tits - allowing your wife to fuck with a crowd of men is crazy. What lengths will MC go to for sex with Tori? Maybe Tori+dildo and Jason will fuck MC at once. Let's hope.
 
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