Sad turn of events. The game had it's charm. While "the great reveal" was somewhat of a let down story wise, the game surely delivered and was not beyond redemption. The let down was due surprise in convoluted and unprobable circumstance but it evidently still managed to stirr emotion in a lot of readers. That could have well been built upon. Surely this was more interesting than yet another 18 y.o. seducing his "landlady" and "stepsister".
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Just my opinion
If any Dev decides to quit on his project he/she should either give the code to some other Dev or do a bidding for game's source code & cr so that if some other guy wants, he can take over and game gets continued.
If any Dev decides to quit on his project he/she should either give the code to some other Dev or do a bidding for game's source code & cr so that if some other guy wants, he can take over and game gets continued.
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Maybe not today, but I wish that becomes a trend in the future
No matter what happens, the games don't get abandoned...
It's a Ren'Py game. If you want the script, you can very easily extract it. The bigger problems are the Daz assets and project files.
But the question, atleast to me, is, why even bother with a story, if the original author is replaceable like that?
Intellectual property is not an "AVN culture" thing. On the contrary, AVN devs are generally poor enough that they wouldn't bother sending a lawyer after you for plagiarising them.
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I don't know of any industry where a piece of IP which receives no further royalties and holds no future market value is deliberately kept internal other than cases where the release/proliferation of such information would incur costs. What we're talking about isn't even so much a unique work but a curation of assets. People aren't asking for dead game creators to send them the renpy sdk files with all images, they merely want to know the resources used so they can create characters and story in the same universe.
It's more analogous to if a chef abrubtly quit the business and was unwilling to share his recipes, even though it was absolutely certain those recipes held no specific market value for him. Or a musician unwilling to mention which model guitar and amp he used for a specific track. Are they in the legal right, absolutely. Do they come off as hyper-protectionist and misanthropic, yes.
Seriously? This happens all the time, especially in the games industry. Studios get bought and closed down and their IPs RIP into the aethers, because the new owner corp has too big a dick to swing around, but also pockets too deep to bother with the relatively small IP themselves.
Then there's also big corps like disney with a gigantic backlog of IPs, because they just blanket copyright anything and everything that could be loosely associated with the working title of their new secret project.
But the point of contention was that "AVN culture" is somehow supposed to be uniquely protectionist. Compare the AVN scene to what nintendo would do, if you released something in the pokemon universe, though.
I mean, I agree with you. AVN devs certainly aren't over-relying on Daz for artistic integrity. They probably aren't even in their legal right to protect their assets, which a majority of them just leave stock (like this vampire girl that's in every second non-vampire AVN of the last year or so, where most of the time they don't even bother removing her fangs).
But still the question is what makes AVN culture hyper-protectionist? I don't think a few grumpy pirates going "Hey, I know that landlady from that other game." somehow counts as protection.
Honestly, you should finish this game. Why have an unfinished game?
I'm very interested in where this is going.
Please continue this VN.
I'm very interested in where this is going.
Please continue this VN.
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Not at all surprised this got abandoned
The whole three letter word thing in avns is a small niche
The whole three letter word thing in avns is a small niche
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This was not an NTR problem.....There were issues with the plot changing and some F95 followers that complained about it. I think the Dev just got in over his head.
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Not really, it was an easily fixed problem.
The issue was the dev had kinda pushed himself into a corner with how he'd laid out the plot.
The way it came across was the wife being manipulative and doing all she can to push the MC into a threesome so she could fuck other men. However, the dev wanted it to be near enough the opposite. His idea was for her to be the nice, loving wife but wanting to explore new kink with her husband.
To be honest, the wife being behind it all was making the plot far more interesting.
I imagine he just ran out of steam and funding....we can certainly speculate on other things but pragmatically, any dev still taking in a moderate cashflow isn't going to shut down his or her page abrubtly.
As much as I HATE the tired platitude you often see trotted out by the ntr complainers of "dev shouldnt have split his audience reee!", my guess is some of that played into this game's demise.
The whole deceptive wife backstory/jason and tori basically scheming behind mc's back definitely didn't sit well with swinging fans....at the same time, there was too much nuance and gentle relationship talk for the game to appeal to the hardcore bbc cuckold or whatever fetish group..i.e. ntr purists.
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I liked how the wife pretty much orchestrated the whole situation. It wasn't a perfect scenario, but was still a novel idea.
I also found the main characters likeable enough for me to actually care about how the story would unfold. This was one of the first adult games/vn's I ever downloaded. The bar scene and hubby walking upstairs to find his wife begging another man to fuck her hard was truly exquisite. Well played by the dev, shame it all went south. I'm not into Daz animated sex scenes as they tend to look dire. I think transitional renders can be much more effective.
You're watching some bad daz animations then
(well to be fair all daz animations are bad because daz sucks fucking ass at interpolation/IK - the GOOD ones are anis people made in blender or maya then bridged to daz).
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Ok... I really liked it ! Just like Blenderguy said the opening scenes were extremely well do... all paths. I kinda stayed on the swapping / cuckold paths . I could not wait for more tings to happen. The addition of Gina was done well also. Last the final scene with tori was hot ! Sad to see it go. I did not think it deserved all the negative comments it got from some. I viewed it as a game... no more no less.
Negative comments are absolutely justified, and the author made every effort to obtain a negative reaction; a huge number of examples were given.
The author promised a game of choice, but actually made a KINETIC story. The author always turned any choice in one direction. The author created many variables, but they do not affect the plot, it is a prop. Episode "Steph dumps his shit on MC's head", no matter what options you choose, there is ONLY ONE ending, and it always is.
The author promised a story of love, a happy marriage and swing. Let's take a look at MC and Steph's relationship. MC chose Amber, he HAS to fuck her under the stairs of the club, Steph REFUSES to participate. MC chose Tori, he HAS to go to Tori, Steph REFUSES to participate.
Let's look at Steph. Steph chose Donny, she brings him HOME, MC MUST participate. Steph chose Gina, she brings her HOME, MC MUST participate. Steph chose Paul, she brings him HOME, MC MUST participate (MC can't send Steph to the utility room or toilet).
Last update. Steph doesn't want to fuck, MC can't do anything. Steph wants to fuck Gina, she brings her HOME, MC MUST participate.
I see Steph, when SHE wants, USING MC as an extra for a gangbang, this is NOT love and a happy marriage, this is not swing, this is NTR, MC in this story is not even a beta, he is an omega.
I don't want to remember about the "best friend", it is better to have ten enemies.
I don't see a love story, a happy marriage and swing, lies and manipulation are the story of NTR. As a kinetic story in the NTR genre, there are no complaints, but this is not what the author promised.
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Wow... You see a different story than me... and thats ok. As for Amber Male MC started all things with Amber. First, the market then the club. I do not remember Stef even having an option on that one... Paul at the club... same,, that was driven by the Male MC . You even get the option to send him home when at the house if you think it was a mistake. Gina... you are right... Gina and FM MC planed the event after the club. Then they have a little off camera action in the morning we do not see where MC is asked not to join. Donny, That was also started by MC to have Stef bring him home... I thought that was his plan all along. Yes you are right that there are variables to that plot. But that is the one I played. See I see that they do have a loving Marriage. In my path they communicate, plan, and do thing together . Motive may be a little weird but together.
So ... I think he did deliver ( Author / Dev ) what the beginning plan was . I don't think he finished it... There was more Cuckold than Share.. and I think that is where it stopped.
So ... I think he did deliver ( Author / Dev ) what the beginning plan was . I don't think he finished it... There was more Cuckold than Share.. and I think that is where it stopped.
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If Donnie isnt forced on the player, then why the result is a game over if you refuse donnie?
And have you ever played the early version where steph decides on her own to fuck Donnie alone at home after the bar?
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Steph was never kind and never helped MC at all. If you you objected to ANY of her plans- you just get a game over screen. Otherwise you have to let her sleep with Donnie who treats you like cuck garbage at every opportunity. Apparently sharing does not even work out in fantasy land.
Gangbang is not a personal idea and not an independent initiative of the MC. These thoughts were put into MC's head by the Steph/Jason/Tori conspiracy. There is not a single INDEPENDENT act of the MC in history (with the exception of GAME OVER). There is no conspiracy - there will be no proposal from Jason, no proposal - MC will not do anything. Actions taken under pressure and manipulation cannot be called independent.
In all cases, Steph is the initiator of the group sex and the MC DOES NOT have the RIGHT to his own opinion, the MC CAN never refuse. If you believe the advertising, modern women's vibrators have more functions than the MC (it has two functions: glad and agree).
Steph was always the initiator of sex with Donny on all routes. She manipulates the MC before visiting the bar, playing out a scene of "insulted innocence", she manipulates the MC at the bar, she makes him raise the stakes and pushes him towards a gangbang. If the MC refuses Donny at the bar, Steph brings it up again at home and brainwashes the MC so that he starts hallucinating. On Saturday, Steph gives the MC an ultimatum, sex with Donny or the end. Steph constantly pressures and manipulates the MC. The whole time Steph manipulates and blackmails the MC on Friday and Saturday, she KNOWS that Tori DOES NOT WANT and WILL NOT fuck the MC on Sunday.
Amber is in the club only on Steph's initiative and with her permission.
MC can CLOSE the episode with Paul, but he cannot REFUSE to participate, just like Steph refuses to participate with Tori and Amber (Paul will fuck Steph in the toilet of the club without MC). There is a huge difference between "closing the episode" and "refusing to participate".
Steph shows himself especially disgustingly, blaming MC, Jason, Tori for all the events, BUT only Steph is the ONLY culprit of all the events. If conspiracy, lies and manipulation is a loving marriage, then honesty and openness, mutual respect and equality is NTR.