VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[metamorphMP]

I think people wanting to take over the vision of the devs are ruining many of these games.

It's a bit vague for me, but nobody were trying to take control of their vision.
They announced their game as a swinging game where MC depending on your choices won't be a cuck but an equal participant alongside with his wife. They gathered swinging audience.

Instead - we got a game where regardless of your choices MC is a pathetic looser who gets almost nothing while his wifey fucks everything that moves.
So people started to criticize, it was totally justified if you ask me.

 

[BlenderGuy]

It's a bit vague for me, but nobody were trying to take control of their vision.
They announced their game as a swinging game where MC depending on your choices won't be a cuck but an equal participant alongside with his wife. They gathered swinging audience.

Instead - we got a game where regardless of your choices MC is a pathetic looser who gets almost nothing while his wifey fucks everything that moves.
So people started to criticize, it was totally justified if you ask me.

It was an odd idea. I liked it, but it seemed kinda convoluted in the way she was basically tricking her man into submitting to her sexual requirements, by effectively tricking him into thinking he was the instigator.

I'd have had it where the abusive ex comes back into her life, to initiate the start of it.

I'd have preferred it if the hubby just wanted to see how naughty his wife was at the bar, the second female being there ruined it because the hubby would want to be totally fixed on his wife.
Then once she allows the guy to ball her, then the hubby could have then decided to get his own back, while making the wife feel guilty.

This is the thing though, you either like the story or not. Sometimes you'll love the renders, the women might be hot, the sex scenes could be amazing, but the plot itself may stink, or vice versa. This is why making a visual novel really can become a can of worms. This was one of the first games I ever played. I first played it when it was uploaded to a webpage. I really liked how the dev created a believable couple and first scenario. I've been in so many similar situations of observing swinging couples in bars, pubs, even caravan sites lol.

 

[vandal.h]

Yep honestly that's why I hate it when people complain. Let the dev make his story. If you don't like it move on or make your own game. Just my 2 cent.

Sorry but people are allowed to criticize. No one held a gun to the dev's head and forced him to change anything. If you are making something you shouldn't expect everyone everywhere to like it. Like I said, he should have grown a thicker skin instead of being upset that people didn't like the wife.

 

[NewTricks]

It's a bit vague for me, but nobody were trying to take control of their vision.
They announced their game as a swinging game where MC depending on your choices won't be a cuck but an equal participant alongside with his wife. They gathered swinging audience.

Instead - we got a game where regardless of your choices MC is a pathetic looser who gets almost nothing while his wifey fucks everything that moves.
So people started to criticize, it was totally justified if you ask me.

Sigh. The standard deviation of the "audience" of f95 looks something like this. It's just that the further you move to the right of the curve the louder they get.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Sigh. The standard deviation of the "audience" of f95 looks something like this. It's just that the further you move to the right of the curve the louder they get.

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I'm confused, in that graphic, does the middle suggest the character wants sex between the mc and mc's wife? Or just simply seeing the wife character fucked by someone, anyone? Same with the right, is that a wish to see the 'husband character' fucking with the wife character? Or others? very confusing!

 

[Marc9]

Many are retarded and even though they see the TAGS of games with words Netorare - cuckold - hotwife - sharing - swinging they still enter the topics of games they don't like and end up sabotaging the games.

This makes it difficult. Nobody goes into Vanilla games talking a bunch of shit and asking them to insert NTR, but the opposite always happens.

This game had everything to be good, good dialogues, but unfortunately it was another one to be abandoned

 

[TonyMurray]

This makes it difficult. Nobody goes into Vanilla games talking a bunch of shit and asking them to insert NTR, but the opposite always happens.

This part is definitely incorrect, I see it happen fairly regularly. Usually it's the standard "will there be NTR?" and follow-up conversation, but sometimes it's more than that.

 

[metamorphMP]

Many are retarded and even though they see the TAGS of games with words Netorare - cuckold - hotwife - sharing - swinging they still enter the topics of games they don't like and end up sabotaging the games.

Those themes weren't here from the start, and the game was advertised by Dev as a swinging game, not a cuckold game. People were complaining about cuckold thing which became the main focus of the game at some point even though Dev promised smth different.

This makes it difficult. Nobody goes into Vanilla games talking a bunch of shit and asking them to insert NTR, but the opposite always happens.

Made my day.
Were you drinking while writing the post?

 

[MrDianhelo]

Nobody goes into Vanilla games talking a bunch of shit and asking them to insert NTR

come on, it happens all the time, no reason to deny it .

Either way, I disagree with people saying this was supposed to be a swinging game instead of a ntr/cuck game. First of all, swinging/sharing is already cuck, and second, ntr is the most realistic consequence to opening up the marriage, it is a normal progression of the story, I dont get how people didn't see it coming .

I guess the dev's vision should only be respected as long as it aligns with the content that you like.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

View attachment 4384538 come on, it happens all the time, no reason to deny it .

Either way, I disagree with people saying this was supposed to be a swinging game instead of a ntr/cuck game. First of all, swinging/sharing is already cuck, and second, ntr is the most realistic consequence to opening up the marriage, it is a normal progression of the story, I dont get how people didn't see it coming .

I guess the dev's vision should only be respected as long as it aligns with the content that you like.

That was not the dev's vision.

The dev said many times it wasn't going to be an NTR game. And no I'm not an NTR hater, I'm just saying what the dev said continually, that it was not NTR and it wouldn't go NTR. Steph would be faithful to the MC. He was setting up red herrings to hide what was going on and to make it look like she was. The whole purpose of the game was revealed in "Steph's big secret" episode which showed she was loyal and she wasn't cheating. There were suppose to be three games planned. maybe it may have gone NTR in game 2 or 3, we will never know, but in game 1 there was not going to be NTR. Although, in 1.6 the dev fucked up and many interpreted what happened with Jason as NTR, the dev said it wasn't his intent for this game and he corrected it in the following update.

 

[MrDianhelo]

That was not the dev's vision.

The dev said many times it wasn't going to be an NTR game. And no I'm not an NTR hater, I'm just saying what the dev said continually, that it was not NTR and it wouldn't go NTR. Steph would be faithful to the MC. He was setting up red herrings to hide what was going on and to make it look like she was. The whole purpose of the game was revealed in "Steph's big secret" episode which showed she was loyal and she wasn't cheating. There were suppose to be three games planned. maybe it may have gone NTR in game 2 or 3, we will never know, but in game 1 there was not going to be NTR. Although, in 1.6 the dev fucked up and many interpreted what happened with Jason as NTR, the dev said it wasn't his intent for this game and he corrected it in the following update.

He didn't fuck up, he folded due to backlash is what you are saying. He is always getting bombarded with comments that cry about ntr, the scenes take a lot of time and a lot of work to produce, the result is not an accident, is what the dev wanted, and he was forced to change it due to backlash, it wasn't a mistake.

I am pretty sure he was being limited by that backlash and negative comments and wanted to appease them constantly, that's what mostly kept him from making ntr content which he obviously wanted to make, if you see the ridiculous amount of ntr bait here, and since he couldn't do what he wanted he just lost motivation in the end.

Nts and ntr go hand in hand, it is only logical that having your wife being fucked by others will bring consequences, specially if MC is not a god of sex himself, but a lot of devs get pressured into not exploring that possibility ( which is the actual most realistic outcome, go check the success rate of open marriages) even if avoidable, and they end up like this.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I guess the dev's vision should only be respected as long as it aligns with the content that you like.

But is the contrapositive true? Surely, it's mere coincidence those that cheer for a dev vision [describe a game in which the dev's vision aligns with their personal tastes].

Nts and ntr go hand in hand

No, absolutely not. They could not be more opposed. One is often about a couple in a relationship on the rocks, the other is about a couple in a strong relationship. In one the husband's/bf's participation, either physically or mentally is crucial, in the other it's irrelevant. The common ground is harem purists hate them both so they get grouped together.

Regardless, I don't buy the notion that player feedback caused dev to halt project - while that's often a theory with games here on forums, I really don't see it influencing a dev's drive. Now if that translates into less dinero and support, then sure, but I bet this dev either lost his drive for other reasons, or his team had internal issues we weren't seeing.

 

[Joshy92]

But is the contrapositive true? Surely, it's mere coincidence those that cheer for a dev vision [describe a game in which the dev's vision aligns with their personal tastes].

No, absolutely not. They could not be more opposed. One is often about a couple in a relationship on the rocks, the other is about a couple in a strong relationship. In one the husband's/bf's participation, either physically or mentally is crucial, in the other it's irrelevant. The common ground is harem purists hate them both so they get grouped together.

Regardless, I don't buy the notion that player feedback caused dev to halt project - while that's often a theory with games here on forums, I really don't see it influencing a dev's drive. Now if that translates towards less dinero and support, then sure, but I bet this dev either lost his drive for other reasons, or his team had internal issues we weren't seeing.

I have seen a few devs add stuff people keep asking for and it made them lose passion. I know it doesn't factor here most likely but I have seen it.

Anyway, completely agree about nts and ntr only ignorant people think they are the same.

 

[Marc9]

The future will be as a famous game developer predicted. HE said that people would order the games directly from the developers so there would be no problems and noise on the way

The customer gets in touch with the game programmer, agrees on the price of the service, says what he wants the game to be like, he can even say what he wants the characters to be like in details, script etc and that's it, he'll have his game without any headaches or imbeciles getting in the way. .

 

[Karmadive]

The future will be as a famous game developer predicted. HE said that people would order the games directly from the developers so there would be no problems and noise on the way

The customer gets in touch with the game programmer, agrees on the price of the service, says what he wants the game to be like, he can even say what he wants the characters to be like in details, script etc and that's it, he'll have his game without any headaches or imbeciles getting in the way. .

This supposed developer is talking about is a future where AI creates the games for you and we are a very very long way from that.

And when we do get there every game will end up being generic copies of the same things over and over. I mean just look at how similar AI art is right now. This future is just depressing for me as the passion in game development just disappears in favor of big companies with AI farms making proceduraly generated content for everything.

This "developer" you are quoting seems like one in name only and is the kind of person responsible for all the jobs we are losing in the industry due to money people seeing AI as a way to remove the need for talented employees.

 

[MrDianhelo]

No, absolutely not. They could not be more opposed. One is often about a couple in a relationship on the rocks, the other is about a couple in a strong relationship. In one the husband's/bf's participation, either physically or mentally is crucial, in the other it's irrelevant. The common ground is harem purists hate them both so they get grouped together.

It is not harem purists, it is anyone that likes a bit of realism and logic in their games. There's no strong relationship if she is sleeping with other people and has no respect for him for allowing her to (because yes, women lose all respect when you out yourself as a cuck). The logic real life conclusion of such a situation is ntr as shown by real life statistics:

"the failure rates of open marriages found that

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" and the ones that dont divorce are not a guarantee of a good relationship either since there are many other reasons why they would decide to stay married despite their fucked up situation.

The only ones who dont want to face the facts and live in fantasy are cuckold/sharing/swinging fans, but I have no problem with them doing that, the problem comes when they try to pressure the dev into not adding ntr in a story where it not only is a perfect fit but it is logical, and it is clear the devs want it.

There they act like the harem purists they cry so much about. "Noooo dont add ntr even if I can easily avoid it and all I have to do is pick the other very clear option, all the game should be for me and aligned to my tastes"

 

[Karmadive]

It is not harem purists, it is anyone that likes a bit of realism and logic in their games. There's no strong relationship if she is sleeping with other people and has no respect for him for allowing her to (because yes, women lose all respect when you out yourself as a cuck). The logic real life conclusion of such a situation is ntr as shown by real life statistics:

"the failure rates of open marriages found that

You must be registered to see the links

" and the ones that dont divorce are not a guarantee of a good relationship either since there are many other reasons why they would decide to stay married despite their fucked up situation.

The only ones who dont want to face the facts and live in fantasy are cuckold/sharing/swinging fans, but I have no problem with them doing that, the problem comes when they try to pressure the dev into not adding ntr in a story where it not only is a perfect fit but it is logical, and it is clear the devs want it.

There they act like the harem purists they cry so much about. "Noooo dont add ntr even if I can easily avoid it and all I have to do is pick the other very clear option, all the game should be for me and aligned to my tastes"

except is this particular case the Dev stated that She was not cheating on the MC, he would always stay with her and the Cucking path was never supposed to exist and would be absorbed into the main story path.

The problem came from the way the Narrative was delivered and the fanatical fans jumping on little red herrings meant to make you think she was cheating or going to cheat even tho the Dev had no intention of that happening.

I just realize the majority of people just don't read the actual steam forums were the Developer was very active up until the end of development or they would be aware of this and not be jumping to conclusions about what the game is "supposed" to be about. I tend to go by what the Dev is saying rather then what players think the game is heading.

If you read the steam forums you would see the Developer had a vision for the game they only struggled with the implementation of it. They often pushed back and and explained that it would all make sense once Steph's secret was revealed.




I think what might have lead to the ending of development was the fact that they didn't plan it out very well. From only doing early access on steam with no Patreon or Subscribestar. So they got sales at the beginning but then less money ( if any )coming in near the end. And the struggle with the narrative which was a tightrope walk for keeping balance between making Steph likable but in the dev's own words "Drive you nuts, but not drive you away".

So possibly no more money coming in and development woes with plans on continuing the same characters into 3? other games, It just spelled cut your loses. It's a story seen many many times with early access games.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

He didn't fuck up, he folded due to backlash is what you are saying.

What I was saying is what the dev said. For those of us who saw the content it was ambiguous. Some thought it was cheating some didn't. The dev said he fucked up because he didn't make it clear. Of course you know more about it than the dev and those who were there.

 

[Marc9]

This supposed developer is talking about is a future where AI creates the games for you and we are a very very long way from that.

And when we do get there every game will end up being generic copies of the same things over and over. I mean just look at how similar AI art is right now. This future is just depressing for me as the passion in game development just disappears in favor of big companies with AI farms making proceduraly generated content for everything.

This "developer" you are quoting seems like one in name only and is the kind of person responsible for all the jobs we are losing in the industry due to money people seeing AI as a way to remove the need for talented employees.

YOU UNDERSTOOD WRONG. What he said is that people will be able to PAY flesh-and-blood programmers so they can make their favorite games with their favorite themes/TAGS.

It has nothing to do with AI in what he said. I'm even going to order a game the way I always wanted it for my own enjoyment, I'm not going to upload it anywhere and I'm not going to resell it.

I'm going to ask him to make a game very similar to DELIVERANCE

 

[Karmadive]

YOU UNDERSTOOD WRONG. What he said is that people will be able to PAY flesh-and-blood programmers so they can make their favorite games with their favorite themes/TAGS.

It has nothing to do with AI in what he said. I'm even going to order a game the way I always wanted it for my own enjoyment, I'm not going to upload it anywhere and I'm not going to resell it.

I'm going to ask him to make a game very similar to DELIVERANCE

I don't think you understand what he is saying in return. that is not a viable business model. it costs millions of dollars to create a game. even an indie game costs 10's of thousands of dollars to make and that would be just a very small team of a couple people.

The only way this works is if it's leveraging AI for generation, even then it's still not a good business model as even that will cost money from servers, power, Time.

The only way your getting a custom made game with things you want is if you foot the bill for the time period the game is in production, which would include the software, wages, power, etc.