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Grumpy Old Aussie

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I think the main confusion comes from the fact that two separate uses of the word are conflated into 1.

1) It's grammatically accurate to describe a man whose wife has cheated on him as being "cuckolded" (though somewhat archaic).

2) As a fetish description, describes men who enjoy watching/hearing/partaking in their wife sleeping with others.


The problem comes in adult game land when these two uses are shmooshed together, and you get this concept of "wife cheats on her husband, but he likes it, so he's a cuckold". That scenario is nearly non-existent in the real world. People don't actually like being treated like shit (outside of roleplay). On the other hand, if the husband likes watching and they set it up ahead of time, that's not really cheating.

So yeah, I'd say 90% of the arguments about this boil down to the word in definition #2 being used for #1, or vice versa.

You'd think on an adult games site a word with a fetish and non fetish definition would default to the fetish - since we're primarily talking about sex and fetishes. But with cuck, the first definition is so pejorative it's frequently invoked as an ego component ala when someone says, "I dont want other men in my games to try and cuck the mc", they're using definition 1. They aren't worried that their girlfriend will have sex with others for the purpose of titillating MC, they're worried she'll cheat on him.

Worse, devs have adopted this conflation, describing some games as having "cuck content" when it's really just a girl cheating on a guy. Again, not gramatically incorrect, but nothing to do with the fetish. Another easy way to distinguish the two uses would be "voluntary" vs "involuntary". Involuntary cuckolding is just another name for female cheating.

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I think this confusion persists because it's a fairly adult concept, and doesn't mix well with a younger crowd who may not have the life experience to handle emotionally nuanced things. It'd be like trying to explain bdsm to an 8 year old, and they're like "but why on earth would you wanna get beaten up?". Personally I'm not into bdsm, but I can understand the appeal, it plays with power dynamics and control.
Great post. There is my issue. Steph just cheated. MC is going To be pissed, whether he has low confidence or not. He isn’t going to stand there and say okay all is good. Even a wimp has limits. If you have chosen the route where Donnie/Steph fuck before MC gets there. It makes Steph a lying sack of shit. Jason and Tori are just as bad For setting it up. There has to be consequences and fall out or the authenticity the devs promised is worthless.
 
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On the psychological side of things, Jason and Tori's explanation of dominant and submissive behavior is quite realistic and accurate. They are not talking about hardcore domination and submission here. They are talking about a person's inner balance and the back and forth of personal roles each person plays in their lives. Nobody is entirely dominant or submissive. Using the example they provided of who is leading the sexual activity at the moment is a good way to see that. But we are really talking about semantics here.

They are not talking about the BDSM standpoint, dom/sub play...the Kink. On the high confidence path, Tori clearly states that neither she nor Jason are into that. Instead, Tori encouraged Steph to get in touch with and flirt with her innermost feelings at the moment. Trying to not be judgmental of herself. Allowing feelings of jealousy and desire to feed the sexual fire. Welcome the need to be both submissive and dominant. On the low-confidence path, we see a complete reversal of this stance and Steph's behavior. Instead, the developers tap directly into the sadomasochistic aspect of cuckoldry, dom/sub play, and sex in general. While the alternate paths and the remaining scenes with Tori and Jason are not fully implemented yet, the player still has the ability to back out of any of the previous decisions. This is a very welcome change and I would love to see more visual novels adapt this into their mechanics.

The added Gina scene appears to be unfinished. We get to see the result of the high-confidence path where the MC remains faithful and the dream sequence gives the player something to think about. The next update will certainly fill in the remaining paths. If I had to speculate, the MC has the chance to "visit" her on one path and Steph will "visit" her on the other.

I also truly enjoyed seeing the different versions of Tori. With high confidence, Tori sees the MC and Steph as equals and future swinging partners. There is a stark and welcome contrast between the high-confidence and low-confidence Tori. The player gets to see how she protects herself, her husband, and their relationship by telling the MC she is not interested in continuing a mutual relationship among the four. And yet another path where she clearly states that the MC has been manipulated for his own sexual satisfaction and desire to become a cuckold and watch Jason and Steph together. It is quite extraordinary to see a visual novel pay tribute to this lifestyle with maturity and the psychological complexity involved.
I agree with most of your post but sexual manipulation for someone’s own good. no thanks. The psychology is using mythical tropes of what cuckoldry is. I just can’t agree that it is a good job. He has low confidence so he must be a cuck, bullshit.
 

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Great post. There is my issue. Steph just cheated. MC is going To be pissed, whether he has low confidence or not. He isn’t going to stand there and say okay all is good. Even a wimp has limits. If you have chosen the route where Donnie/Steph fuck before MC gets there. It makes Steph a lying sack of shit. Jason and Tori are just as bad For setting it up. There has to be consequences and fall out or the authenticity the devs promised is worthless.
On the medium confidence path, the whole time I read the scene I kept thinking, why would Tori tolerate that at all? Especially after she explicitly explains that is not the purpose of the meeting. On the low confidence path, Tori explains that is the actual purpose of them being there. I agree with you, this would not be tolerated by anyone, not even the wimpiest of wimp cuckolds. Certainly NOT by Tori. However, for the purposes of the game, I understand why those paths are included instead of a big confrontation scene. STILL, I would like to see an option added in the future that allows the MC to confront Steph, Tori, and Jason. Perhaps where he can admit that it does turn him on sexually, but that is not what he wanted at that moment. Again, more of an escape plan similar to the current options the devs recently added.

Although I did not get these options when I played, reading the script I could see that the devs do have options for the MC to pushback at every step. He can say no. That way, the player who is looking for the cuckold (albeit a bastardized, AVN version of the kink) path can still play it that way. The rest of us can say, "Steph, get your shit! I am leaving with or without you!"
 
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hm i played the high confidence route and got scenes with Tori and Jason where both mc and Steph were on the same page and were being told by Tori and Jason that they wanted them as a swinging couple. interestingly i played the choice where Steph and mc are about to leave for Tori and Jason's but chose not to go and that was the end of the content. sometimes it is annoying to play these games that are in development. sometimes i just wish the devs would give a complete game so i can play games to completion. so many incomplete games and some that get abandoned when i am invested in them.. the hazards of playing these games..but..i am addicted...
 

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I'm happy with the routes and their respective choices/outcomes..I think the routes are fine according to choice..some wants cuck routes,some wants swinging routes,some in between...The scenes in this update was too short tho...Expected more hot scenes with proper swinging/cuck/sex scenes...Hope the next update is sooner and with a lot more content...Good luck to the devs.
 
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On the medium confidence path, the whole time I read the scene I kept thinking, why would Tori tolerate that at all? Especially after she explicitly explains that is not the purpose of the meeting. On the low confidence path, Tori explains that is the actual purpose of them being there. I agree with you, this would not be tolerated by anyone, not even the wimpiest of wimp cuckolds. Certainly NOT by Tori. However, for the purposes of the game, I understand why those paths are included instead of a big confrontation scene. STILL, I would like to see an option added in the future that allows the MC to confront Steph, Tori, and Jason. Perhaps where he can admit that it does turn him on sexually, but that is not what he wanted at that moment. Again, more of an escape plan similar to the current options the devs recently added.

Although I did not get these options when I played, reading the script I could see that the devs do have options for the MC to pushback at every step. He can say no. That way, the player who is looking for the cuckold (albeit a bastardized, AVN version of the kink) path can still play it that way. The rest of us can say, "Steph, get your shit! I am leaving with or without you!"
Maybe, usually when MC stands up for himself he ends up having to apologise to Steph for her bullshit. I've have 'low confidence' these will be anything more than what we have seen in the past. How many updates and they are still trying to get the Donnie stuff right.
 
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I agree with most of your post but sexual manipulation for someone’s own good. no thanks. The psychology is using mythical tropes of what cuckoldry is. I just can’t agree that it is a good job. He has low confidence so he must be a cuck, bullshit.
I completely agree here. The idea is that Jason, Tori, and Steph know what is best for the MC and have manipulated him into this scene for his sexual gratification. It goes against everything I believe and practice in my life on how you should treat others. No matter what we know, what we have experienced, or who we are, we can never know what is best for another person. We never have the right to make those decisions on behalf of another person. To take away their autonomy and agency and live their own life the way they choose.
 

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"I got it when MC looks down on them the options pop up."
Yes one option to say hell no, that is fine, but the very tired cliche that the low confidence guy must be a cuck who will cop anything and can be easily manipulated by women is wrong and it is bullshit. Add in the BBC, ugh. Same old same old, not what was promised
 
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I completely agree here. The idea is that Jason, Tori, and Steph know what is best for the MC and have manipulated him into this scene for his sexual gratification. It goes against everything I believe and practice in my life on how you should treat others. No matter what we know, what we have experienced, or who we are, we can never know what is best for another person. We never have the right to make those decisions on behalf of another person. To take away their autonomy and agency and live their own life the way they choose.
I know, you are a good man.
Its just the low confidence guy must be a cuck who will cop anything and can be easily manipulated by women is wrong and it is bullshit. Add in the BBC, ugh. Same old, same old, not what was promised
And you don't get the option to choose in one of the scenes and MC isn't happy but is wimped by the devs again so he can't react (again not what was promised) or say no. Meanwhile Steph is all about how hot it is. Bullshit.
 
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Its just the low confidence guy must be a cuck who will cop anything and can be easily manipulated by women is wrong and it is bullshit. Add in the BBC, ugh. Same old, same old, not what was promised
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Can you plz upload the saves from yours?..I can't find the route where you get to stop Steph/Jason.
 
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Anyway I can't afford to spend any more time in here today, I have things to do. I can hear the cheers lol.
Its just the low confidence guy must be a cuck who will cop anything and can be easily manipulated by women is wrong and it is bullshit. Add in the BBC, ugh. Same old, same old, not what was promised
Can you plz upload the saves from yours?..I can't find the route where you get to stop Steph/Jason.
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Sorry, I have those ones on my laptop which is not here at the moment. I'll try to remember to post them tonight. There are two scenes, one scene MC cant stop it, on the other scene the MC can stop it. You can use the gallery mod someone posted a page or two back to access them.
 
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Anyway I can't afford to spend any more time in here today, I have things to do. I can hear the cheers lol.

Can you plz upload the saves from yours?..I can't find the route where you get to stop Steph/Jason.
Sorry, I have those ones on my laptop which is not here at the moment. I'll try to remember to post them tonight. There are two scenes, one scene MC cant stop it, on the other scene the MC can stop it. You can use the gallery mod someone posted a page or two back to access them.
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Sure man,do upload them when you have the time,I tried the gallery mod..can't find the choice to stop Steph/Jason still.
 

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On the psychological side of things, Jason and Tori's explanation of dominant and submissive behavior is quite realistic and accurate. They are not talking about hardcore domination and submission here. They are talking about a person's inner balance and the back and forth of personal roles each person plays in their lives. Nobody is entirely dominant or submissive. Using the example they provided of who is leading the sexual activity at the moment is a good way to see that. But we are really talking about semantics here.

They are not talking about the BDSM standpoint, dom/sub play...the Kink. On the high confidence path, Tori clearly states that neither she nor Jason are into that. Instead, Tori encouraged Steph to get in touch with and flirt with her innermost feelings at the moment. Trying to not be judgmental of herself. Allowing feelings of jealousy and desire to feed the sexual fire. Welcome the need to be both submissive and dominant. On the low-confidence path, we see a complete reversal of this stance and Steph's behavior. Instead, the developers tap directly into the sadomasochistic aspect of cuckoldry, dom/sub play, and sex in general. While the alternate paths and the remaining scenes with Tori and Jason are not fully implemented yet, the player still has the ability to back out of any of the previous decisions. This is a very welcome change and I would love to see more visual novels adapt this into their mechanics.

The added Gina scene appears to be unfinished. We get to see the result of the high-confidence path where the MC remains faithful and the dream sequence gives the player something to think about. The next update will certainly fill in the remaining paths. If I had to speculate, the MC has the chance to "visit" her on one path and Steph will "visit" her on the other.

I also truly enjoyed seeing the different versions of Tori. With high confidence, Tori sees the MC and Steph as equals and future swinging partners. There is a stark and welcome contrast between the high-confidence and low-confidence Tori. The player gets to see how she protects herself, her husband, and their relationship by telling the MC she is not interested in continuing a mutual relationship among the four. And yet another path where she clearly states that the MC has been manipulated for his own sexual satisfaction and desire to become a cuckold and watch Jason and Steph together. It is quite extraordinary to see a visual novel pay tribute to this lifestyle with maturity and the psychological complexity involved.
I agree with you that on the psychological side, that part and dialogue was well done.

And that just makes me angrier at how it actually plays out! Because at the end of the day, it's all bullshit. (ofc everyones entitled to their opinion) You mentioned seeing the variations of Tori - but I hated how cold she was with the mc on all paths. You can be on the dom4 or dom5 path, and they still talk to you like a child ala "If you're uncomfortable, that's okay....."

When you mention different variations, there's no symmetry. At best, Tori is a lukewarm companion having about the least sexy talk I've ever heard before future orgies take place. There's no flirting (when you're in her room, not the clothes showoff), it's all sturm and drang with zero levity - yes I get these adult talks need to happen, but the fact that simultaneously jason and steph are certainly NOT having a asexual "responsibilities" talk at the same time tastes so acrid.

^^^^^^^^^^^and thats on the high confidence path! On the low confidence, it's a pure ntr fest.

This is what I mean by symmetry - if the highest confidence path resulted in tori sneaking you off to a side room to give you a blowie, then there'd be this natural balance between that, the med confidence, and low. Right now, it's 50% pure ntr ending or 50% lukewarm swinger planning.


When I first said I feared the game will go a certain direction but I hope I'm wrong, I'm now 90% certain everything else will be in service of the bbc ntr story. That doesn't mean side paths wont't exists, but they'll get second-chair attention to the core narrative. Yes, I'm sure there will be new content in a few months with Steph and MC finding adventures separate from Tori and Jason, but I'm sure that'll be dwarfed by the amount of content produced for the ntr path. (I keep using that word because that's what this is, it's not even a cuck path as described by my prior post, it's a pure ntr path) 20 bucks says tooPerilous loves anime. Yeah, I'm bitter.
 

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Yeah, um ... no! Would never want to see some other dude fucking the same woman as me. That's for queers!
Do you realize whenever you watched porn you were watching a naked dude doing the fucking? And yet you are saying that scenario live but with you also fucking the girl instead of masturbating makes you gay? :ROFLMAO:
Now if we are talking about sharing a hole, then that shit is 100% gay.
 

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I agree with you that on the psychological side, that part and dialogue was well done.

And that just makes me angrier at how it actually plays out! Because at the end of the day, it's all bullshit. (ofc everyones entitled to their opinion) You mentioned seeing the variations of Tori - but I hated how cold she was with the mc on all paths. You can be on the dom4 or dom5 path, and they still talk to you like a child ala "If you're uncomfortable, that's okay....."

When you mention different variations, there's no symmetry. At best, Tori is a lukewarm companion having about the least sexy talk I've ever heard before future orgies take place. There's no flirting (when you're in her room, not the clothes showoff), it's all sturm and drang with zero levity - yes I get these adult talks need to happen, but the fact that simultaneously jason and steph are certainly NOT having a asexual "responsibilities" talk at the same time tastes so acrid.

^^^^^^^^^^^and thats on the high confidence path! On the low confidence, it's a pure ntr fest.

This is what I mean by symmetry - if the highest confidence path resulted in tori sneaking you off to a side room to give you a blowie, then there'd be this natural balance between that, the med confidence, and low. Right now, it's 50% pure ntr ending or 50% lukewarm swinger planning.


When I first said I feared the game will go a certain direction but I hope I'm wrong, I'm now 90% certain everything else will be in service of the bbc ntr story. That doesn't mean side paths wont't exists, but they'll get second-chair attention to the core narrative. Yes, I'm sure there will be new content in a few months with Steph and MC finding adventures separate from Tori and Jason, but I'm sure that'll be dwarfed by the amount of content produced for the ntr path. (I keep using that word because that's what this is, it's not even a cuck path as described by my prior post, it's a pure ntr path) 20 bucks says tooPerilous loves anime. Yeah, I'm bitter.
Oh, that is an interesting point and reminds me of how I felt each time I played it. Tori did seem cold...except with Steph. She was much warmer toward Steph. In my mind, I wrote it off as the type of thing you show towards someone's partner so as to not show too much enthusiasm.

There is not a lot of symmetry. But I feel it is coming. This update does feel like it was edited for release when they were unable to get to the point they thought they would. One of the team members was sick. That could explain why it seems like many of the paths feel interrupted.

On the high-confidence path, you get a solid conversation with the four. Tori and Jason test the waters and ensure that they want to explore together in the future. It is a bit odd that Tori has such an important conversation with the MC alone. I chalk that up to a convention storytelling. Tori mentions that she sees where Steph is in the relationship and their journey to openness. So this is her chance to further evaluate the MC and for the devs to tell us part of Tori's backstory.

On medium, I get the feeling that this will be Tori telling the couple to come back when they are further along in their journey. And on low, well, we all know where that goes. Tori wants to share equally with the couple. She can do that when the MC has high confidence. When the MC is unsure (medium), Tori wants them to come back later. But on low, the player has made all the choices to be a submissive cuckold up to this point. The path is set. Tori is just playing her part to allow the player to explore the cuckold route. I understand that cuckoldry is more complex and submissive cucks are a minority in that world. But that is the story the devs have chosen to tell.

I don't think this is a BBC NTR Fest. Although, I do think that there will be a piece of that in this story, unfortunately. I believe the story is the high-confidence path about a couple who successfully engage in an open relationship. The other paths, medium and low, are options you can choose outside of the high-confidence story.
 

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Sorry, I have those ones on my laptop which is not here at the moment. I'll try to remember to post them tonight. There are two scenes, one scene MC cant stop it, on the other scene the MC can stop it. You can use the gallery mod someone posted a page or two back to access them.
Sure man,do upload them when you have the time,I tried the gallery mod..can't find the choice to stop Steph/Jason still.
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In the gallery mod it is S x J v2, select the option on the bottom that says ''wrong'' and then keep going. MC will hear Steph and his friend in action. Then just click through and you will get the options pop up.
 

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Sorry, I have those ones on my laptop which is not here at the moment. I'll try to remember to post them tonight. There are two scenes, one scene MC cant stop it, on the other scene the MC can stop it. You can use the gallery mod someone posted a page or two back to access them.

Sure man,do upload them when you have the time,I tried the gallery mod..can't find the choice to stop Steph/Jason still.
Thanks for trying out my mod.

I initially decided not to put the scene in because it was broken and also it was not really an erotic scene. This release even after a few patches by the dev has a lot of orphan code and generally not very polished. However now that the devs fixed this scene so that it does not crash I decided to add it in since there is a demand and could also serve as a bad end.

Gameplay wise you need to be on low confidence route during the club night which will set a low dom1 variable value for the Jason and Tori visit. This will lead to the choices to stop Steph/Jason.
 
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