Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.08] [Luxee]

[Uthuriel]

Soo when is the next update ?, estimate?

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[GetOutOfMyLab]

y'all killing me...

 

[Darklord1234]

The Nea suicide is hamfisted bullshit. Ya'll can defend it all you want but the way it happened is shitty. You can argue "her life was hell' and all that garbage all you want. The fact that she kills herself after rejection is just wrong and stupid and selfish. Suicide harms the people you love. Bottom line. I know. The emotional baggage that she would leave the MC after that scene is unconscionable. He barely knows her and now has to shoulder the burden of being catalyst to her suicide? That shit is rough. I also do not think it fits the rest of the tone of the game so far regardless of dev intent. Best thing is to admit it was poorly written and retcon.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

I don't believe in reincarnation and no game developer should either, especially in VNs. I doing think doing a retcon (retroactive continuity is what I'm guessing you mean?) is going to help anything. She went splat, and needed to be picked up with a spatula and hopefully it stays that way.

I've never hidden my disdain for that character, but doing some silly Back to the Future time-jump bullshit isn't the answer. We had this talk months ago about suicide rates and things like that in this thread. Go ahead and search for it, it'll pop up. I was part of that conversation too.

What that character did was basically something along the line of what could happen in real life. Perhaps Luxee wrote that in instead of giving the friend route. It was all or nothing with that character, and I for one am pretty damn happy and will continue to be so as long as there's no "Superman flying against the spin of the earth to bring back someone dead" bullshit

If 0.07 comes out and she remains gone, I will be the happiest person ever, and that's the damn truth

 

[Darklord1234]

On second thought you might be right on the retcon. Just remove her entirely. It was very poorly written and handled anyway.

P.S.: And just cuz it COULD happen in real life doesn't mean I want to see it in my porn games lol. Like I said...hamfisted bs.

 

[Darklord1234]

Wow. You people facepalming have no clue lol.

 

[Darklord1234]

I should have known not to voice anything here lmao. F95:The games are cool. The threads are stupid.

 

[Rutonat]

I've been saying for about two weeks to try to get discussion on other characters, but certain people want to drive it back that, which has caused me personally to spend a lot less time in this thread because of it.

So whatever it's going to be it's going to be, but I know with future updates, this thread is going to be basically intolerable and I am not looking forward to that because not all of us here want to be talked to like we're on some SJW talk show about the same fucking thing day in and day out. It's like missionary position every fucking day. Same thing and talk of that one character rules the entire thread.

To be fair, when it comes to some of us (since you like to rope every Nea fans into "SJW missionary crap"), we'd be happy enough not having to repeat the same things if there weren't a new hater coming to troll the thread or gratuitously shit on character they don't like pretending us to be forcing our views on them.
Sure we get preachy at times. Because we get provoked into it.
As for me in particular, I'm mostly vocal when the topic is already there. I don't make it my life's mission, especially on here : it's a lost cause.

Though you probably ignored me weeks ago, so I doubt you'll have the decency to aknowledge this. Fuck me, I guess.

Isn't that game already complete ?

Not technically. The mods here might they it is, but a project is only ever truly finished them it's creator decides they have nothing to add or improve.
Often content gets pushed to the side when it's not necessarily relevent, or the devs lack time of knowhow to do something how they want to. It's not rare it ends up added at the end. Same goes with polish. Most games take a long while to get finished (when they are), and usually, by the end, the creators are way more skill than they were at the beginning. Some like to go back and redo some older content, refine it to a more acceptable level of polish.
Also, it's likely that, if Luxee was to just ignore PL "because it's complete", they'd end up distracted because a part of their mind would always be thinking back to what they could have done better. So, better for them to be content with it and move on with a serene mind.

On second thought you might be right on the retcon. Just remove her entirely. It was very poorly written and handled anyway.

How about no.

Wow. You people facepalming have no clue lol.

I should have known not to voice anything here lmao. F95:The games are cool. The threads are stupid.

You come here to troll, you get the deserving reactions. Because no, saying a part of the game is better removed entirely because you don't like it is not an opinion. Not a valid one, at least. It's just the gurgling of an entitled troll.

 

[Darklord1234]

Lmao. I went the Nea romance route. I'M A TROLL?! My turn to facepalm irl sparky. Dear god lmao. I like the character. Hate the story arc. Get real dude.

 

[bobby newport 123]

I respect everyone's opinion on the whole Nea debate and it's great that people are so vested in it. Having said that, please can we stop beating this horse... it's been dead a long time now!

 

[pgm_01]

I respect everyone's opinion on the whole Nea debate and it's great that people are so vested in it. Having said that, please can we stop beating this horse... it's been dead a long time now!

I am hoping that after doing the PL update, Luxee will feel like returning to the sisters and mother here. The reason the Nea debate rages is that Nea is really the only route in the game right now. You have bits of other routes, but the most fleshed out is Nea and without restarting the debate, there is plenty of reason to be unhappy with the way that route's choices end up.

 

[Corambis]

I am hoping that after doing the PL update, Luxee will feel like returning to the sisters and mother here. The reason the Nea debate rages is that Nea is really the only route in the game right now. You have bits of other routes, but the most fleshed out is Nea and without restarting the debate, there is plenty of reason to be unhappy with the way that route's choices end up.

Yeah, that's the thing. There's not much to talk about with regards to other characters. We get lots of speculation of what might happen, but we've really had little interaction with many of the other characters. The design of the game has us just hitting important memories, but kind of missing out on character-building opportunities, or conversations that are more casual but still ultimately important. The only other character with content is... Alicia, I think her name is? The token "you can have sex with her while the story is developing" character. I'm not opposed to that idea in general, except I don't find Alicia appealing at all. There are other characters with potential, but that's all it is right now. Or we have some stuff that is rapidly escalating despite very little build up in the game, because we're just hitting high points in the relationship. PL had some rapidly escalating stuff contextually, but there was also story there and conversations and things like that.

I do think Luxee will be somewhat refreshed after the next update for PL. They may change their focus in A69 for a bit as well, especially given the controversy. I think other characters do need to have their stories advanced to level out the game a bit. But I'd also like to see more depth to it and character development for the other characters.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

I am hoping that after doing the PL update, Luxee will feel like returning to the sisters and mother here. The reason the Nea debate rages is that Nea is really the only route in the game right now. You have bits of other routes, but the most fleshed out is Nea and without restarting the debate, there is plenty of reason to be unhappy with the way that route's choices end up.

And the next developed route is Evie and her sexual curiosity, after that, it's as you said, bits and pieces, but I loved Seki's pool scenes, but I really can't wait to see how that relationship progresses.

 

[tigerdiamond]

To be fair, when it comes to some of us (since you like to rope every Nea fans into "SJW missionary crap"), we'd be happy enough not having to repeat the same things if there weren't a new hater coming to troll the thread or gratuitously shit on character they don't like pretending us to be forcing our views on them.
Sure we get preachy at times. Because we get provoked into it.
As for me in particular, I'm mostly vocal when the topic is already there. I don't make it my life's mission, especially on here : it's a lost cause.

Though you probably ignored me weeks ago, so I doubt you'll have the decency to aknowledge this. Fuck me, I guess.


Not technically. The mods here might they it is, but a project is only ever truly finished them it's creator decides they have nothing to add or improve.
Often content gets pushed to the side when it's not necessarily relevent, or the devs lack time of knowhow to do something how they want to. It's not rare it ends up added at the end. Same goes with polish. Most games take a long while to get finished (when they are), and usually, by the end, the creators are way more skill than they were at the beginning. Some like to go back and redo some older content, refine it to a more acceptable level of polish.
Also, it's likely that, if Luxee was to just ignore PL "because it's complete", they'd end up distracted because a part of their mind would always be thinking back to what they could have done better. So, better for them to be content with it and move on with a serene mind.


How about no.



You come here to troll, you get the deserving reactions. Because no, saying a part of the game is better removed entirely because you don't like it is not an opinion. Not a valid one, at least. It's just the gurgling of an entitled troll.

Hey, I know we were arguing before but I'm not trying to start something, just thought of a better way to handle the people here only to talk about how they hate trans characters; just report their posts as off topic and ignore them.

Hopefully, a mod will just come in and agree that these fights are just dragging down the thread and remove those posts and then we can all get back to fighting about if the game is abandoned or on hold (I joke)

 

[tigerdiamond]

Honestly, even the "you pick Nea" option for the "supermarket/roof" scene is just really badly written and handled and I'm on team "rewrite the entire scene" it doesn't work.

Edit: Also, I feel like maybe my save got messed up and I skipped some scenes (or maybe I just completely forget the last time I plaed)
but wasn't Nea staying with us? I like to play a couple updates at a time, so I know my memory can be bad, but the last thing I remember with Nea's story was her moving in with us after her dad threw out all of her stuff. What are we talking about asking her if she wants to stay or if she has to go home?

 

[Corambis]

Hey, I know we were arguing before but I'm not trying to start something, just thought of a better way to handle the people here only to talk about how they hate trans characters; just report their posts as off topic and ignore them.

Hopefully, a mod will just come in and agree that these fights are just dragging down the thread and remove those posts and then we can all get back to fighting about if the game is abandoned or on hold (I joke)

Talking about whether you hate a character or not is on-topic, nor I would argue saying something more general that can be tied back pretty clearly to the game. If I say I hate sandbox games, I'd say that's on-topic for here. If it were a VN, then it's clearly off-topic.

Now, if they're explicitly saying they hate a character because they are trans or all trans people, that perhaps violates other rules on the forum, although I haven't looked. But just because they don't like Nea or aspects of the character or her implementation in the game are definitely not automatically indications of transphobia as some think. I could find something to criticize about every single love interest in the game. Should Nea be different because they are trans, or others because of their race? Maybe people need to tread lightly with their words, but unless they fall into the clear realm of prejudice, they're just as valid as someone who says that the mom's story seems bizarre given her plans or that Alicia because of her kinks.

 

[tigerdiamond]

Talking about whether you hate a character or not is on-topic, nor I would argue saying something more general that can be tied back pretty clearly to the game. If I say I hate sandbox games, I'd say that's on-topic for here. If it were a VN, then it's clearly off-topic.

Now, if they're explicitly saying they hate a character because they are trans or all trans people, that perhaps violates other rules on the forum, although I haven't looked. But just because they don't like Nea or aspects of the character or her implementation in the game are definitely not automatically indications of transphobia as some think. I could find something to criticize about every single love interest in the game. Should Nea be different because they are trans, or others because of their race? Maybe people need to tread lightly with their words, but unless they fall into the clear realm of prejudice, they're just as valid as someone who says that the mom's story seems bizarre given her plans or that Alicia because of her kinks.

idk it feels to me that if you hate a character enough to spend 70 pages talking about how much you hate them for being trans, then you should just move on to a different game and shut the fuck up. Like you're not talking about the game and if a mod saw people talking about sandboxes generically for more than a page they'd prune that shit down; I've seen them do it in that exact scenario before.

like, you're talking about this like we're talking about a single post or two, I'm talking about pages and pages of off topic repetitive whining that a character even exists in the game, so much so that the dev just had her jump off a roof in the last update. It's a problem, and I'm not even here that often.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

Makes me wonder if Evie or Millie is going to try something sneaky during the movie date. I know the sub scene she sneaks around to the front of the couch under the blanket, but since that's technically Embie's route, don't think anything is going to happen. She might snuggle up closer to him which could pop off a jealous reaction from Eve, either that, or she'll cozy up too.

I have a feeling those two together could be trouble, but in a good way.

PS: As long as there's no constant talk about that one character (yes I'm not even saying the name anymore), I won't start, but there are many others in this game. Let's be civil, no preaching or attacking or human rights protesting bullshit. I've ignored who I wanted, plus more today, let's just move on

 

[Corambis]

idk it feels to me that if you hate a character enough to spend 70 pages talking about how much you hate them for being trans, then you should just move on to a different game and shut the fuck up. Like you're not talking about the game and if a mod saw people talking about sandboxes generically for more than a page they'd prune that shit down; I've seen them do it in that exact scenario before.

like, you're talking about this like we're talking about a single post or two, I'm talking about pages and pages of off topic repetitive whining that a character even exists in the game, so much so that the dev just had her jump off a roof in the last update. It's a problem, and I'm not even here that often.

Except most of the talk isn't about hating Nea for being trans. The dominating topic is that it's messed up that Nea dies on the friendship route precisely because people wanted to help Nea, but at the same time not necessarily have sex with her. There are transphobic people here saying transphobic stuff, but you're over-representing how much that is. As I've said before, criticism of a trans character or their story is not necessarily transphobic, although some are taking that way. Maybe they think they are standing up for trans people, but putting them on a pedestal and believing they can do no wrong ultimately hurts them in the long run. Trans people are people that just happen to have the word "trans" in front. They're not worse than anyone else, but they're not better. They have flaws, they make mistakes. They can be horrible people or heroes, or sometimes both or neither.

As people point out, Nea is the main love interest in this game, despite assurances that the content was also optional, which is part of the debate about how well exactly that is working. Most of the content is about them. So most of the discussion is going to be about them and also what they did in the last update.

 

[Uthuriel]

As people point out, Nea is the main love interest in this game...

I still find it amusing that most people haven't realized that yet...
She has the most content and Luxee trying not to tag him but I don't think he is active here anymore... has her as pfp here on the zone and on his discord.
She is obviously his favourite.