VN Ren'Py Aperture [Ch.2] [Vonsatia]

[turbokinetics]

i dont want to be a meme or anything like that i just want to know if it is part of the game thats all.
If i find i game that looks promising i just ask the question and hope to get an answer
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Im just having some fun bro. Im not actually judging you or anything.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

That wasn't her, the guy knows her mom, her mom's a special agent, doubt he would risk things. Also she is to pure still... but soon the principal might try create situations to get her.

For propper ntr the mc should be her first in most things and then the ntr creeps should ruin her, but like said earlier i hope that could be avoided. Want to see other girls though in trouble with ntr bulls and having a bf not knowing, but the mc and photo girl I want be somewhat voyeur photo it all. Maybe get kinky with eachother afterwards about what they witness.

I agree, I also disagree. Lol.

I don't think the MC needs to be her "first" in anything.
I agree though that there needs to be (more) romance/spark between the two of them (there was already a lot, and a lot of good writing at this point imo tho) before she gets "corrupted" and coerced into doing stuff. But I think the principal actually met her when MC was looking for her and during that meeting something happened that is the setup for future coercion/corruption.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

not that strong if he gets ntr'ed lol

The best NTR has a decently strong MC and the FMC falls/ get corrupted DESPITE that. It plays with the powerlessness of the MC despite their physical and mental strength. If the MC was a pathetic twink the "fall" of the FMC would not be impactful cause MC would be a bad choice for a partner anyway.

Same goes for a good chemistry and romance. Last update has shown that it can deliver on that.

 

[ffive]

The best NTR has a decently strong MC and the FMC falls/ get corrupted DESPITE that. It plays with the powerlessness of the MC despite their physical and mental strength. If the MC was a pathetic twink the "fall" of the FMC would not be impactful cause MC would be a bad choice for a partner anyway.

I'd argue it's not very impactful either way -- no matter if the MC "appears" strong or weak, if at the end of the day their partner chooses to abandon them in face of trouble/temptation/whatever, then it just means that in hindsight the supposed bond was little more than lip service and the MC's supposed strength(s) meaningless, if at the end of the day the MC didn't have what it'd take for their partner to stick with them instead of opting for the alternative. They're ultimately evaluated as "insufficient choice for a partner" in both scenarios.

If there's anything different, it is that this setup makes the MC even more of a pathetic failure than that proverbial "pathetic twink", because they can't even hide behind "well i don't have anything going for me so no wonder my partner didn't choose me".

Same for the chemistry and romance. It doesn't matter how many "ILY"s are dropped, if two weeks or months later the person declaring all that is readily fucking other people. Something that falls apart at first obstacle simply wasn't substantial to begin with, no matter how much people involved were in love with the idea of being in love.

 

[Zeref@123#]

when i read posts here i thought i m playing different game!
isn't this love story with 1 sex scene already? MC still didn't show any Nts/Ntr/Sharing sign
it seems very slow burn if its gonna be ntr! unless ntr involve other character beside mc or fmc

Instead of rush story, dev is trying to build up the relationship between the two characters and focusing on the world building (city of Hoshino). Next chapter NTR plot will begin and will have a lot of NSFW scenes. (Said by dev). NTR will be good if we are familiar and connected with these characters.

 

[PragmaticCynic]

It's not unavoidable. Dev said he will try to make a pure love route depending on the response. He might not focused that now but in future we will get it. (I can feel that)

The description under the spoiler says something else!

But if it's the dev's own decision, that would be really cool and not based on people's opinions!

 

[PragmaticCynic]

That's pretty much contradictory -- you either focus and make one thing or do multiple things in parallel.

The most favorable reading would be that the "good ending" would be added after the main NTR route is all completed, polished and done, but that's quite unrealistic expectation. If NTR events are unavoidable and the whole plot is based on them happening in sequence, then trying to then transplant onto it a branch where you avoid these events would be a genuine mess -- what happens e.g. to the antagonist's escalated actions if the early ones were blocked? Does the game ignore it and just proceeds like the girl got magically "corrupted" anyway even though nothing happened? Or it puts a stop to things and you just skip basically the whole game?

Multiple branches are something that you have to account for from the very start of making your game, it's not really feasible as an add-on when you'd be effectively redoing the whole thing to accommodate it.

In fact, everything is very simple here.
The plot of the game is one and, for example, divided between the NTR branch and the Pure Love branch. At key moments before sex scenes or moments that could lead to sex scenes. For example, MC doesn't help Rin deal with the bandits, which leads to an NTR scene with the bandits, or MC helps Rin, which leads to a scene with MC.
If the developer writes the plot himself, then after the end of the NTR story, he shouldn't have any problems writing a reverse story of Pure Love branch!

 

[ffive]

In fact, everything is very simple here.
The plot of the game is one and, for example, divided between the NTR branch and the Pure Love branch. At key moments before sex scenes or moments that could lead to sex scenes. For example, MC doesn't help Rin deal with the bandits, which leads to an NTR scene with the bandits, or MC helps Rin, which leads to a scene with MC.
If the developer writes the plot himself, then after the end of the NTR story, he shouldn't have any problems writing a reverse story of Pure Love branch!

I feel like you haven't really read a word of what you've quoted from my post, because your answer doesn't address posed issue at all. Your example of how it'd supposedly easily work also doesn't match what the game itself is supposedly about. Which is, to remind, not about some magical bandit assaults but:

The plot will revolve around Daizo, the Principal of Hoshino Academy. A typical Ugly Bastard. He’s crafty, manipulative and cunning. The themes involve slow corruption, emotional drama, a heavy focus on the gradual fall of Rin

Not only "gradual fall" isn't some sort of assault leading to a gang bang rape, but it basically requires the antagonist's actions to succeed for the female MC to be "gradually affected".

 

[PragmaticCynic]

I feel like you haven't really read a word of what you've quoted from my post, because your answer doesn't address posed issue at all. Your example of how it'd supposedly easily work also doesn't match what the game itself is supposedly about. Which is, to remind, not about some magical bandit assaults but:

Not only "gradual fall" isn't some sort of assault leading to a gang bang rape, but it basically requires the antagonist's actions to succeed for the female MC to be "gradually affected".

You want me to start my repost with your own words?
Lol
That was a simple example.
I don't know how it will work, or even if it will work at all. It's just an example of how it can be done!
Replace the bandits with a principal in my example? What's the problem?

I'll repeat once again that if the dev writes the plot himself, then after he finishes the NTR plot, it won't be difficult for him to make a reverse story with another outcome!

 

[Ion.TemUS]

I'd argue it's not very impactful either way -- no matter if the MC "appears" strong or weak, if at the end of the day their partner chooses to abandon them in face of trouble/temptation/whatever, then it just means that in hindsight the supposed bond was little more than lip service and the MC's supposed strength(s) meaningless, if at the end of the day the MC didn't have what it'd take for their partner to stick with them instead of opting for the alternative. They're ultimately evaluated as "insufficient choice for a partner" in both scenarios.

If there's anything different, it is that this setup makes the MC even more of a pathetic failure than that proverbial "pathetic twink", because they can't even hide behind "well i don't have anything going for me so no wonder my partner didn't choose me".

Same for the chemistry and romance. It doesn't matter how many "ILY"s are dropped, if two weeks or months later the person declaring all that is readily fucking other people. Something that falls apart at first obstacle simply wasn't substantial to begin with, no matter how much people involved were in love with the idea of being in love.

yea but the feelings it evokes are completely different.
I mean the "makes the MC even more of a pathetic failure" is your subjective opinion. I talked to a lot of NTR fans over the years and I think many would agree with me that MC being somewhat strong, attractive and charming makes the fall more enjoyable in the end. But everyone got their own preferences there ig.

Let me ask you like this then. How would YOU like the MC to be? If not a pathetic twink and not a "strong / charming MC who the FMC falls in love with but who ultimately looses", what kind of MC would you like for our NTR-game protagonist and how would you build him up?

 

[ffive]

Let me ask you like this then. How would YOU like the MC to be? If not a pathetic twink and not a "strong / charming MC who the FMC falls in love with but who ultimately looses", what kind of MC would you like for our NTR-game protagonist and how would you build him up?

I'm actually fine with any sort of MC in those stories, if simply for variety. It's just that, unlike those NTR fans you've spoken with, their personality doesn't really make the story more or less enjoyable for me -- because at the end of the day the outcome in these stories is the same which renders all the song and dance about MC's strengths and the depth of supposed romance little more than a sham. I simply can't get really invested in it, knowing the entire time it's just a bubble about to burst.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

I'm actually fine with any sort of MC in those stories, if simply for variety. It's just that, unlike those NTR fans you've spoken with, their personality doesn't really make the story more or less enjoyable for me -- because at the end of the day the outcome in these stories is the same which renders all the song and dance about MC's strengths and the depth of supposed romance little more than a sham. I simply can't get really invested in it, knowing the entire time it's just a bubble about to burst.

I feel like the bubble bursting makes it really bitter sweet, which I quite like personally.

 

[Tatsugaya]

I feel like the bubble bursting makes it really bitter sweet, which I quite like personally.

Has the creator changed his mind about NTR being inevitable? Will he create different routes for the game? All of this has been a bit confusing, since I'm not part of Discord.

 

[maxi456]

looks very good

 

[RightHandPoppin]

It's way too early but I'm loving it so far. Hope dev gets into his flow and dish updates faster.

But even if they take time, if they keep the current quality it's worth the wait.