kahn lemon-san
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wtf you want in porn game ? it either rpgmaker or visual novel,sandbox if you want play fun game when why the hell you play porn game ?
And tbh ..there shouldn't be any choices at all(nts or love)..it's better to disappoint a few people than the core fan group.. giving choices will just increase the development time and it'll also hamper with the story progression.. nobody's really gonna wait 3-4 months and continue the support
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I highly appreciate this game, both in terms of its exterior presentation and its internal content.
However, I have to be honest: the erotic scenes (H-scenes) are far too few. The only ones I find somewhat satisfactory are the dancer scene and the oral sex scene. The rest mostly consist of repetitive zooming in and out (I wish the game would reduce this excessive zooming).
The game should distribute the scenes more evenly and include more moments ranging from moderately sensual to intensely erotic. For example, with this image/scene here, it should ideally have around 3 to 5 images to fully develop that moment.
Similarly for this other scene—it also needs 3 to 5 images (what I mean is that parts that should be explicitly shown are unfortunately not revealed).
Additionally, many scenes end too abruptly before the player can fully immerse or feel anything, and the camera angles need to be more sensual and alluring overall.
However, I have to be honest: the erotic scenes (H-scenes) are far too few. The only ones I find somewhat satisfactory are the dancer scene and the oral sex scene. The rest mostly consist of repetitive zooming in and out (I wish the game would reduce this excessive zooming).
The game should distribute the scenes more evenly and include more moments ranging from moderately sensual to intensely erotic. For example, with this image/scene here, it should ideally have around 3 to 5 images to fully develop that moment.
Similarly for this other scene—it also needs 3 to 5 images (what I mean is that parts that should be explicitly shown are unfortunately not revealed).
Additionally, many scenes end too abruptly before the player can fully immerse or feel anything, and the camera angles need to be more sensual and alluring overall.
Blackmail is by far the best NTR tool there is. The fact that he is avoiding it for whatever reason is super disappointing. Especially since it looked like the plot was going that way.
So now what? FMC is just gonna bang people to get something out of them for her sake, and in process get corrupted? That is maybe one of the more boring ways it can go. It's not even NTR at this point if it goes that route.
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Blackmail is the worst shit ever
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I also don't understand why dev is going to avoid blackmail at all. Otherwise plot would seem like Rin became a whore because she wanted to be whore or whether she was initially open to that idea which is out of character imo
In many Japanese NTR games (and this game borrows heavily from them from art style to plot and characters), there would first be a romantic plot between main characters then she would be forced into doing something she doesn't want to do (literally blackmail, it doesn't matter whether it's for the good of cause or not, it's still blackmail) and then after some of these actions, she would become more and more corrupted and do smth willingly.
I thought there would be some element of blackmail here especially since plot is clearly leading to it. Otherwise why would Rin do something that goes against her character is unclear
We'll see in future updates. Dev probably knows best how and what to do in his game, but I wouldn't want characters and story to suddenly take a somersault that would be completely out of character and story spirit
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I don't know what you are saying but if blackmail is not there that doesn't mean Rin will become slut and bang people mindlessly. Von is giving so much time for character building, he just don't wanna a easy way like blackmail. Things will be more clear in the next chapter.
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The problem is that without blackmail the NTR will not happen.
Unless Rin is a kind fool who would sell her body for tears?
Of course, you can use the excuse, like, "It's necessary to save a world" But is that blackmail?
It seems like there needs to be a reason to have sex without love, if not blackmail, or money. Basically, I'm already intrigued by what it will be.
Exactly this.I also don't understand why dev is going to avoid blackmail at all. Otherwise plot would seem like Rin became a whore because she wanted to be whore or whether she was initially open to that idea which is out of character imo
In many Japanese NTR games (and this game borrows heavily from them from art style to plot and characters), there would first be a romantic plot between main characters then she would be forced into doing something she doesn't want to do (literally blackmail, it doesn't matter whether it's for the good of cause or not, it's still blackmail) and then after some of these actions, she would become more and more corrupted and do smth willingly.
I thought there would be some element of blackmail here especially since plot is clearly leading to it. Otherwise why would Rin do something that goes against her character is unclear
We'll see in future updates. Dev probably knows best how and what to do in his game, but I wouldn't want characters and story to suddenly take a somersault that would be completely out of character and story spirit
He is just diluting formula that has been perfected and that simply works the best by far.
Especially since he already tailored the whole story where blackmail is the most fitting outcome.
Super strange decision that could be detrimental.
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Perhaps there is something that dev hopes will look, feel and be explained better than blackmail. I think we'll find out everything soon and I hope story won't be inferior to what's already in the game.
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Well, actually there is one thing, it is not de facto blackmail.
What about the condition, the agreement? For example, if her boyfriend—yes, according to the plot, they fall in love, will be together, there will be sex, but something happens where the guy gets into trouble and needs to be saved. Rin doesn't want to lose him, and is ready to go to NTRman, where she will make a condition: sex in exchange for saving him.
In the end, it wasn't blackmail, but NTR condition was fulfilled. After all, she'll lie to the guy about how she saved him.
But in the end, this is not new, it’s kind of formulaic. But not blackmail again.
There is also hypnosis, this is also not blackmail, but manipulation of the mind, but this is already boring and essentially not NTR.
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Zeref@123#
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I don't know how blackmail and NTR is related. You can cheat with multiple reasons. But here's what dev said
"> The school plot about the photography club, the competition etc is just a very small stepping stone or hook towards the main plot.
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> Rin has a secret which she has kept close to only herself. That secret will become essentially the main plot of Aperture."
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see the issue is I fear that that would make Rin seem pretty dumb.Well, actually there is one thing, it is not de facto blackmail.
What about the condition, the agreement? For example, if her boyfriend—yes, according to the plot, they fall in love, will be together, there will be sex, but something happens where the guy gets into trouble and needs to be saved. Rin doesn't want to lose him, and is ready to go to NTRman, where she will make a condition: sex in exchange for saving him.
In the end, it wasn't blackmail, but NTR condition was fulfilled. After all, she'll lie to the guy about how she saved him.
But in the end, this is not new, it’s kind of formulaic. But not blackmail again.
There is also hypnosis, this is also not blackmail, but manipulation of the mind, but this is already boring and essentially not NTR.
But we established her as somewhat clever now.
So do we want to make her dumb?
Also in some form that is blackmail too. Maybe not technically blackmail, since its not Daizo being like "you do this or your bf will have issues", but if she comes to him and is like "can you help me?" and then he is like "let me feel you up" that is at the very least coercion, which is the little brother of blackmail.
I understand Vonsa not going for the "typical" standards straight-on blank-faced blackmail plot. SO FAR tho I can't really see how they will sell the NTR without some form or variation of it. I mean Im ready to be surprised, would be happy if that was the case. But I really don't see an alternative that doesn't make Rin look either stupid or like a whore.
1. None of that says its not blackmail or coercion.
2. Second part makes sense to me. So either its the father having died to the gangster and her seeking revenge that is the "secret" or its something else.
Either way I do see a lot of opportunity here for Daizo to insert himself with information and power, which then is at least a situation similar to blackmail. I understand dev wants to make Rin choose to engage with Daizo on her own, but just because she chooses on her own doesnt mean he isnt the one holding the cards. And that is basically him using the power he has over her to manipulate her. It's coercion.
The issue I have is with how the story will execute it. IT can not be Rin to make the suggestion to do something sexual, that would create an issue for how the player perceives her character (i.e. make her a "whore" in the eyes of the player, someone to willingly have sex with someone she actively dislikes to reach her goals) and it can also not be an easy "gotcha" plot where MC or Rin is in trouble and Daizo can help them and he demands something sexual, cause a "clever" FMC would not go for such a stupid suggestion, plus that would be pretty close to blackmail imo.
So how will it happen, that is the question.
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That's exactly what the game is going to cover, doesn't it. If you just knew the answer from the very start it removes most of incentive to even play.Otherwise why would Rin do something that goes against her character is unclear
Let the guy cook.
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Perfect answer. Either she's being forced to do it somehow—blackmail, coercion, violence, circumstances—it doesn't matter she has no choice but to comply. Even if she agrees to do something voluntarily at the end she was forced into it anyway at the beginning
Or if she's doing it herself with headmaster and no one's forcing her, unfortunately makes her character completely different.
Both are forms of NTR (for MC) it's just that in one case we're following a victim and in the other a girl that wasn't against sex from the very start. And somehow it seemed to me that the second option was impossible here—it would be completely out of character. Perhaps I'm wrong in my judgment and dev was planning a completely different character and story—but so far everything is falling into place here.
In any case anticipation for future chapters will be interesting
Thanks everyone for this discussion Will there be any dark content in this game? Asking for future updates?
I played a couple of netorare games with blackmail and with negotation, as the start of the heroine and the antagonist relationship.
Blackmail is not fun because it remove the suspense about what is going to happen. Even worst when is stupid blackmail requiring the heroine to be gullible. Also the fact that blackmail is repetitive over-used trope. Just not seeing blackmail is already a breath of fresh air.
Negotation, you can consider a false-blackmail because the heroine it is still forced into a relationship that she normally would rather avoid.
The interesting thing about negotation instead of blackmail is how the heroine discuss the terms of negotation with antagonist, the heroine is dicussing the terms of her relationship with antagonist. And also the fact that the heroine have the power to get out of the affair anytime creating suspense about what is going to happen. This makes the story more interesting because the antagonist needs to work hard to mantain his relationship with the heroine after the initial stage.
Blackmail is not fun because it remove the suspense about what is going to happen. Even worst when is stupid blackmail requiring the heroine to be gullible. Also the fact that blackmail is repetitive over-used trope. Just not seeing blackmail is already a breath of fresh air.
Negotation, you can consider a false-blackmail because the heroine it is still forced into a relationship that she normally would rather avoid.
The interesting thing about negotation instead of blackmail is how the heroine discuss the terms of negotation with antagonist, the heroine is dicussing the terms of her relationship with antagonist. And also the fact that the heroine have the power to get out of the affair anytime creating suspense about what is going to happen. This makes the story more interesting because the antagonist needs to work hard to mantain his relationship with the heroine after the initial stage.