What do you thinks about sandbox in the games?

  • I like

    Votes: 59 65.6%
  • I dont like

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  • I have no opinion

    Votes: 11 12.2%

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Mar 20, 2019
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Reaching O-6 (U.S. Navy Captain) generally requires 21+ years of service, starting as an officer. The protagonist, joining at 20 and now 38, lacks the time to earn a degree (mandatory for officers) and serve that long, especially with a discharge due to injury. His backstory (potentially as a SEAL or specialized officer like a 'radio operator'- which should be comms officer) and then becoming a 'strategic analyst' post-injury is implausible.

For lore consistency, consider him a former enlisted man, medically discharged, then recruited by the CIA for special operations. This explains his presence in Japan and allows for narrative flexibility. If he must be an officer, he'd need to be older when joining with a degree, and come out with a lower rank to fit the timeline.


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Manoman13

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Reaching O-6 (U.S. Navy Captain) generally requires about 21+ years in service IF starting as an officer and being well liked and hitting all the marks, yet it's clear the protag could not have joined as a commissioned officer because he 'signed up' at age 20.

He's 38 years old at the time of present-day gaming. That's not enough time to get a bachelor's degree (3-4 years and required to become a commissioned officer) while on active duty plus two decades of service. In addition, the story says he was discharged for a time because of his handicap (9 months, 1+ years?), making the whole timeline even more implausible, Navy SEAL (I'd suggest not going that route) or not. Then add in the time spent in the apocalypse (another half year or more?). As an aside, nothing about this feels like he was a SEAL, it seems more like dev's 'story example' was but one optional backstory option to explain things, and in fairness, means it's not canon.

Also, it's extremely rare (generally nonsensical) for enlisted or officer to get injured and just *poof* be put into a different and particularly high-skilled occupational branch/specialty without having to graduate in that school. A 'radio operator' Navy Captain (which doesn't exist.. perhaps comms officer), for example, can't just suddenly become a 'strategic analyst' because he got shot. That's not how any of this works. At all. In the civilian world, imagine an electrician having a health issue and then magically being given a job as an attorney.

Also, being an intel guy in no way removes the requirements to be a warfighter or likelihood to be sent into warzones. It's not a magic way to become a desk-jockey with cachet. I happen to have some personal experience in this, FWIW. Nevermind that at that rank (Navy Captain), he's taking on his own command of a navy cruiser or other ship or submarine, or otherwise filling a senior position on a command staff. Commissioned promotion requires command.

There are far easier ways to accomplish the kind of lore-flexibility the dev's story seems to call for: A former service member who became a PMC (private military contractor) is one example, agency operator (like CIA or DEA) being another. Combat veteran turned mercenary or high-skilled criminal being yet another. Those sidestep the backstory contradictions.

Reasonably, most won't care about these seeming technicalities but I get the sense that the dev cares about such lore so I hope I'm able to provide useful info to support his broad vision.

For the most minimal of changes while comporting with the spirit of the story as I've read it, I'd suggest a former enlisted US navy man who was injured and 'medically discharged', and upon healing was recruited to become a CIA special operator/contractor (because of connections, a particular psych profile, and specific stand-out skills in demand at the time). A generic PMC, DEA agent, criminal, or merc would likely have no reason to end up in Japan for an extended timeframe, but a CIA ops guy offers extreme flexibility to fill in the hazy parts, being a particularly clandestine and unconventional vocation (in other words, a broad opportunity for fictions).

Alternatively, if the protag MUST be a commissioned officer, he needs to be older upon joining the armed forces (i.e., already having graduated with a bachelor's degree) and have a lower rank to fit the age and timeline presented.

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Dude, we don't care about realism, if you're not happy with that, make your own games, tell your own story, the guy writes novels about just a passage that didn't shock anyone.
Do you think he has the teams and resources of Ubisoft?
Go play games like Arma if you want something more advanced.
If you were really in the army I understand why you are no longer, you had to drive yourself crazy over insignificant details and accomplish no mission.

Now shut up and moved on
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Reaching O-6 (U.S. Navy Captain) generally requires 21+ years of service, starting as an officer. The protagonist, joining at 20 and now 38, lacks the time to earn a degree (mandatory for officers) and serve that long, especially with a discharge due to injury. His backstory (potentially as a SEAL or specialized officer like a 'radio operator'- which should be comms officer) and then becoming a 'strategic analyst' post-injury is implausible.

For lore consistency, consider him a former enlisted man, medically discharged, then recruited by the CIA for special operations. This explains his presence in Japan and allows for narrative flexibility. If he must be an officer, he'd need to be older when joining with a degree, and come out with a lower rank to fit the timeline.


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I believe the U.S. Navy may have been experiencing higher officer casualty rates in the immediate lead up to the apocalypse. That tends to shorten promotion timelines.
 

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Reaching O-6 (U.S. Navy Captain) generally requires 21+ years of service, starting as an officer. The protagonist, joining at 20 and now 38, lacks the time to earn a degree (mandatory for officers) and serve that long, especially with a discharge due to injury. His backstory (potentially as a SEAL or specialized officer like a 'radio operator'- which should be comms officer) and then becoming a 'strategic analyst' post-injury is implausible.

For lore consistency, consider him a former enlisted man, medically discharged, then recruited by the CIA for special operations. This explains his presence in Japan and allows for narrative flexibility. If he must be an officer, he'd need to be older when joining with a degree, and come out with a lower rank to fit the timeline.


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mc has somehow traveled from japan to the us after apocalypse alone ... most definetly he isn't someone to be judged by comon sense and it's a game so realism should take some liberty like with the polen allergy killing off humanity >< when comparing those two "fact" a couple years more or less aren't that big of a deal ^^ just be glad he isn't a 18 years old suprem commander of a hidden governemental agency which control the world with cofee (can't remember the game i'm refering to but yep there's one that can be summarized like that Oo)
 
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mc has somehow traveled from japan to the us after apocalypse alone ... most definetly he isn't someone to be judged by comon sense and it's a game so realism should take some liberty like with the polen allergy killing off humanity >< when comparing those two "fact" a couple years more or less aren't that big of a deal ^^ just be glad he isn't a 18 years old suprem commander of a hidden governemental agency which control the world with cofee (can't remember the game i'm refering to but yep there's one that can be summarized like that Oo)

As a disclaimer, I wouldn't bother with supportive backstory critiques approaching internal lore-consistency if not for the fact that I got the sense that the dev really gets deep into his project and its connective lore tissue. I respect that immensely (as I'm sure many of you do) and merely wanted to give a little hipfire-outside thoughts on the matter. I really like this game. I'm not here to tear it down, as some people may assume. Further discussion in this regard has left the public thread. Again, not here to undermine the game, I enjoy it.
 
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ben akeba

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As a disclaimer, I wouldn't bother with supportive backstory critiques approaching internal lore-consistency if not for the fact that I got the sense that the dev really gets deep into his project and its connective lore tissue. I respect that immensely (as I'm sure many of you do) and merely wanted to give a little hipfire-outside thoughts on the matter. I really like this game. I'm not here to tear it down, as some people may assume. Further discussion in this regard has left the public thread. Again, not here to undermine the game, I enjoy it.
i mostly took the oportunity to throw stone on those dozens story about 18yo super special overpowered governemental agent that rule the world from the shadow T_T WITH FREACKING COFFEE !!! ><
but honestly i find it more realistic to have a "pollen allergy extinction event" than ruling the world with coffee ... at least dev has a nice reasonning beind it making it sound realistic, hereditary spy family that found a shadow governement with coffee ... however you sugar coat it that's complete bullshit, and about mc's age there's enough ingame justification and probably is aslo due to dev aiming to ease player's immerssion by not making mc older by too much ^^
 
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Just finished playing the initiative route, which is a nice change of pace.

Kinda plays nice she's still not corrupted enough (or aware enough of what she's doing) and you can get your way in the inspection scene.

I think I just like this path better, willing and corruptible better than submissive and usable.

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