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[Grim]

I've reached the stage of checking for compatibility between my module and others. The use of multiple threads definitely makes it hard to predict the order of events at times. Trying to resolve an issue between my module on one NPC, and a different module on another NPC both competing to do something different in reaction to the same event.

Edit: I sometimes see other modules spamming the same action multiple times in a row in the same trigger. I've often wondered what the point of that is, but now I'm wondering if it isn't an attempt to push other modules out of the way that are competing over the same event.

 

[JustAl]

[...] I sometimes see other modules spamming the same action multiple times in a row in the same trigger. I've often wondered what the point of that is, but now I'm wondering if it isn't an attempt to push other modules out of the way that are competing over the same event.

It's that and dealing with base-game jank. Like getting into a fight, walking into a gendered room, or walking into a private sex-closet room. Or walking to a festivity like karaoke, arcade, etc. Lots of events trigger the untouchable red circle. And modules like to interrupt interactions.

If NPC is gonna do "X", then cancel X. Spam tries to fight that.

 

[Grim]

It's that and dealing with base-game jank. Like getting into a fight, walking into a gendered room, or walking into a private sex-closet room. Or walking to a festivity like karaoke, arcade, etc. Lots of events trigger the untouchable red circle. And modules like to interrupt interactions.

If NPC is gonna do "X", then cancel X. Spam tries to fight that.

In this case I don't mind a certain level of interruption. I've actually made some triggers to handle the interruption of certain things. With this other module I don't mind letting mine step aside and letting it do it's thing. It's just a matter of how best to accomplish that and gracefully cleanup what my module was doing.

 

[LucieHeartsG]

Hello, i have the same question as before i don't understand the futanari module very well can someone help me ?

 

[kombayn]

Would anyone happen to know why my tan textures aren't working properly? The body tan is repeated on the face every time, making them unusable.

 

[Deleted member 7062206]

Would anyone happen to know why my tan textures aren't working properly? The body tan is repeated on the face every time, making them unusable.
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Most of the time texturing issues are related with poor texture data.
I've no idea how AA2 mod tools deal with textures, but from your pictures, it's most likely that texture coordnates in the model are set/overlaping the wrong area in the texture image.

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[kombayn]

Most of the time texturing issues are related with poor texture data.
I've no idea how AA2 mod tools deal with textures, but from your pictures, it's most likely that texture coordnates in the model are set/overlaping the wrong area in the texture image.

I'm using the standard AAU Tantoo Collection of tans, as well as an up to date build of AA2MiniPPX. That and I followed the most recent tutorial for installing everything as best I could. I was thinking maybe it's something to do with my older laptop with an Intel GPU, but I have an older version of AA2Mini3DR in which this glitch does not occur, so IDK.

Typically, tan textures come in five or so bmp graphics, which align with the model's torso, arms, privates, fingernails and face.

Everything technically works fine, but for some reason the model uses the torso texture to cover the face, which is '00.bmp', rather than the face texture which is '04.bmp'. I was hoping there was some magic setting I could tick or untick in AA2Unlimited that would fix this so I could use tans. Like I said though, this facial tan issue doesn't appear in my older 3DR AA2.

 

[Deleted member 7062206]

I'm using the standard AAU Tantoo Collection of tans, as well as an up to date build of AA2MiniPPX. That and I followed the most recent tutorial for installing everything as best I could. I was thinking maybe it's something to do with my older laptop with an Intel GPU, but I have an older version of AA2Mini3DR in which this glitch does not occur, so IDK.

Typically, tan textures come in five or so bmp graphics, which align with the model's torso, arms, privates, fingernails and face.
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Everything technically works fine, but for some reason the model uses the torso texture to cover the face, which is '00.bmp', rather than the face texture which is '04.bmp'. I was hoping there was some magic setting I could tick or untick in AA2Unlimited that would fix this so I could use tans. Like I said though, this facial tan issue doesn't appear in my older 3DR AA2.
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Okay, by your report and assuming images 00.bmp and 04.bmp are not the same/repeated, I suspect three scenarios:
1. a gpu driver issue. Maybe updating/downdating or even changing some settings in the driver it will solve the problem;
2. a bug or misconfiguration is making the minippx version pick the wrong image index (00 instead of 04) to apply in the model;
3. the chara card has the wrong image index set in its metadata which for some reason is ignored in mini3DR version but not in the ppx one.

I suggest you start checking the chara card first (see if it works with a different card), then the gpu driver.

 

[Grim]

Question for the observant players out there. Do teachers ever go to the locker rooms in the evening to switch back into their uniforms like students do? I'm curious if the Evening Fashion module has any effect on teachers. In my experience it seems like they don't bother changing at the end of the day, and instead just wander around the school wearing their club outfit.

 

[Monosomething]

Question for the observant players out there. Do teachers ever go to the locker rooms in the evening to switch back into their uniforms like students do? I'm curious if the Evening Fashion module has any effect on teachers. In my experience it seems like they don't bother changing at the end of the day, and instead just wander around the school wearing their club outfit.

Personally i think teachers are bugged in this regard. While students go to the changing room to change after each lesson, the teacher works a little differently.

So... if we consider a regular day to have 4 break periods (before 1st class, after 1st class, after 2nd class, after 3rd class), and students start changing between 1st and 2nd, then between 2nd and 3rd, and after 3rd, the teacher wears the same clothes between 1st and 2nd lesson, they are in their sports (or swimming) clothes after 2nd lesson, and they instantly wear their final clothing after 3rd lesson.

Hope i didnt mess this one up... but yes, teachers do make use of their final break period clothing.

 

[demonhuntercrow]

i downloaded some character cards and when i went to use them it told me to extract files for clothing so ive done it but there is no pattern on some of the outfits so if i need to extract them all how do i do it?

 

[Grim]

Personally i think teachers are bugged in this regard. While students go to the changing room to change after each lesson, the teacher works a little differently.

So... if we consider a regular day to have 4 break periods (before 1st class, after 1st class, after 2nd class, after 3rd class), and students start changing between 1st and 2nd, then between 2nd and 3rd, and after 3rd, the teacher wears the same clothes between 1st and 2nd lesson, they are in their sports (or swimming) clothes after 2nd lesson, and they instantly wear their final clothing after 3rd lesson.

Hope i didnt mess this one up... but yes, teachers do make use of their final break period clothing.

I think you're correct that teachers don't go to change between classes like students do and just let the game forcibly change their outfits automatically for the next class. Therein lies the problem with the period at the end of the day though after the club period ends, because there is no next class. Everyone is in their club outfit until they go to the lockers to put on their original outfits from the start of the day and get their bags before going home, but the teacher doesn't seem to do this. Possibly because they don't seem to go home either, so the game doesn't push them to go put on their normal clothes.

i downloaded some character cards and when i went to use them it told me to extract files for clothing so ive done it but there is no pattern on some of the outfits so if i need to extract them all how do i do it?

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and set up the Harderlinker? In the game launcher you also need to enable "Use .png for custom textures" under the AA2Unlimited tab

 

[Monosomething]

Possibly because they don't seem to go home either, so the game doesn't push them to go put on their normal clothes.

Yep. AI teachers are bound by one rule or another, where they cant go home after the last lesson ends. The exception is the weekends, where one can ask them to go home after the last lesson ends.

 

[Monosomething]

Heres something you dont see every day, and a little update on my progress of getting into the pants of every chick without getting into a relationship. I am being slow, but thats to poke how much i can get out of the Lewd Promise.



Whats interesting here is the (high virtue) chick at the bottom right - she offered me a lewd promise. Ive had this happen once before, but the chick that did it never delivered, so i will have to see how this one pans out.

The tomboy at the top of the normal virtue class is still lingering with her lewd promise from 2 weeks back. Im not cashing in on this one, im afraid, but then i havent really "pressed the buttons" to extract it either. Not like non-singleminded/indecisive chicks are hard to conquer - get more love count with them than they have with their lovers > compete > ... > profit. If having more love count is impossible > grind for a tie a few times to dampen LLDH > quickly recover LLDH > outcompete.

As mentioned at the start of this post, im being really slow, and while ive made sex friends with the high/highest virtue chicks by baiting them to compete over me (RIP sluts... someone had to end up under the bus), ive kept the normal virtue chicks at "I think i like them..." status the whole time, only relying on lewd promises to get in their pants.

Lewd Promise is really strange. Youre meant to cash in on it after the final lesson, but whether you will actually be offered by the girls or not is totally random. I dont know if theres a way to speed things up, but even after getting good grades on exams, sometimes i have to wait a really long time to cash in on one, or not get it (the tomboy...) at all. If anybody knows more about this than me - enlighten me, since the wiki is as unhelpful as usual.


EDIT: the AI in this game is either stupid, or flat out deceitful.



Correlate this image to the previous one ive posted here...

 

[kombayn]

I suggest you start checking the chara card first (see if it works with a different card), then the gpu driver.

Hey, I appreciate the help. Turns out, the problem was I was accidentally using V2 of MiniPPX rather than V8 (which is current). So, the up-to-date version of AAUnlimited wasn't happy, causing the glitch.

And while I'm here, I'd like to offer everyone some modified tans. I used the HPD v3 skin by Alexae (from before HongFire went crazy) as a base, modified it to my liking and combined it with some tans that I liked. They're probably not for everyone, but I like the way they look better than a lot of the original Tantoo stuff. More inside than what's shown here.

To really get them to pop might require careful use of both Skin Color and Custom Tan Color.

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[Monosomething]

Hey, I appreciate the help. Turns out, the problem was I was accidentally using V2 of MiniPPX rather than V8 (which is current). So, the up-to-date version of AAUnlimited wasn't happy, causing the glitch.

And while I'm here, I'd like to offer everyone some modified tans. I used the HPD v3 skin by Alexae (from before HongFire went crazy) as a base, modified it to my liking and combined it with some tans that I liked. They're probably not for everyone, but I like the way they look better than a lot of the original Tantoo stuff. More inside than what's shown here.
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To really get them to pop might require careful use of both Skin Color and Custom Tan Color.

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Ive seen those "monkey tans" in the editor. While i have no use for them, im sure theres people that do.

Well done.

 

[Grim]

EDIT: the AI in this game is either stupid, or flat out deceitful.

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I get bullshit info like that all the time. I play a hetero male character, and I always laugh when someone comes up and tells me another hetero male character is in love with me. I can't tell if it's a bug, or if certain characters just like to go around spreading misinformation. I know there's the schemer trait, but I'm not sure that applies in this instance.

 

[Monosomething]

I know there's the schemer trait, but I'm not sure that applies in this instance.

Its one of the vanilla cards. Im using this schmuck as the teacher, cos hes got lowest sociability, so he doesnt do shit, except for grunting and running when he witnesses sex.

Theres a thing for JustAl to look into. Why does the AI lie? What possible benefit would that guy receive from... trying to match me up with someone else?

Ive ran into multiple instances of AI lying. Sometimes to spite the other card (looks like), other times theyre truthful. The most annoying are lies that work against you. Some time ago ive got into a relationship with one chick, and she got struck with MM almost instantly. The thing is, the guy who was trying to get in her pants ran up to her one time, and as i was about to intercept and shoo him away, ive heard what he started saying, so ive paused: he asked my girl "Did you have sex with (me)?"

And my girl, rather than throttling him dead at this stage, decided to fan the flames and said "no".
Im just sitting here, thinking to myself, "you filthy whore...", especially since THAT answer to THAT question generates love count.

In a completely different game, ive railed some of the sluts, but later on abandoned this "lifestyle" and got into a legit relationship with a high virtue chick. As i was chilling in one of the corridors, i see one of the sluts slink by me, and shortly afterwards my girl running up to her and asking whether she had sex with me... and the slut said "no", saving me the trouble of having to explain anything... heh heh.

So, im wondering, whether the AI lies when its got something to gain, or is their answer straight up random (ized)?
I think i can confidently say, that when we choose to interact with an NPC, we choose specifically how we want to interact with them, but if the AI does it, it seems that, while they can choose if they want to use praise, tell the card to do x/study, use a contact interaction and so on - their ability to "chat" is impeded and completely random. They never *aim* to talk about love or sex. They (probably) just "click" on the chat tab, and the resulting interaction is randomized. Thats how it feels, anyway.

 

[JustAl]

[...]

Theres a thing for JustAl to look into. Why does the AI lie? What possible benefit would that guy receive from... trying to match me up with someone else?

[...] one chick, and she got struck with MM almost instantly. The thing is, the guy who was trying to get in her pants ran up to her one time, and as i was about to intercept and shoo him away, ive heard what he started saying, so ive paused: he asked my girl "Did you have sex with (me)?"

And my girl, rather than throttling him dead at this stage, decided to fan the flames and said "no".
Im just sitting here, thinking to myself, "you filthy whore...", especially since THAT answer to THAT question generates love count.

In a completely different game, ive railed some of the sluts, but later on abandoned this "lifestyle" and got into a legit relationship with a high virtue chick. As i was chilling in one of the corridors, i see one of the sluts slink by me, and shortly afterwards my girl running up to her and asking whether she had sex with me... and the slut said "no", saving me the trouble of having to explain anything... heh heh.

So, im wondering, whether the AI lies when its got something to gain, or is their answer straight up random (ized)?
I think i can confidently say, that when we choose to interact with an NPC, we choose specifically how we want to interact with them, but if the AI does it, it seems that, while they can choose if they want to use praise, tell the card to do x/study, use a contact interaction and so on - their ability to "chat" is impeded and completely random. They never *aim* to talk about love or sex. They (probably) just "click" on the chat tab, and the resulting interaction is randomized. Thats how it feels, anyway.

I've been away from this game for a while and barely played outside of module testing, but I paid attention and purposely set myself up with underpowered characters for fun so I've noticed some patterns. I tended to request class rumors to depower a person who spread lies with negative rumors, and attempts to tell characters I want to be friends with someone for them to simulate telling good rumors about me to them to avoid the wrath of murderous characters. I will explain my experiences, thoughts, and effective test scenarios for anyone who wants to spent time and effort to get solid answers.

From what I've seen which makes sense from an Illusion programmer perspective, get the simplest data and work with it the simplest way. For me telling someone else to help me be friends with someone, the success rate is based on both that character's friendship with my character, and their friendship with the target. The character may fail for 2 different reasons which thankfully their dialogue explains well: either they don't like you enough, or they don't like the target enough.

I was trying to establish and maintain a relationship with a character, and she had differing success rates appear for the interaction of "do you like X?" question. Asking if she likes my character from the roster sheet simply depended on her relationship to me, easy enough. Although her personality (Manly, for a strong girl archetype) said a line like "I don't know" for anyone else, which I can accept as the generic answer of "no". However different success rates still appeared. My guess is if I fail she will still say "I don't know", likely "no" by other personas because she does not like me enough to acknowledge my question, and thus the answer is no. For a success, she will be honest but her answer will still be "no" because she actually does not like that person.

So in your scenario, I likely suspect the girl you did have sex with who was not your girlfriend did not like your actual girlfriend to the degree that she failed to be honest with her question, resulting in "no", which helps you. However, if she did have a good relationship with your girlfriend and thus was likely to proc a success on the question, the answer would be honest, and would then be "yes" based on whether or not she still held a positive opinion of your player character. Hence the "helping others" is really more like "fuck this lady in particular, I won't tell her anything". Hence, they say no just because they don't like who is asking though that helps you. As for the character you had a relationship with telling the boy she did not, she likely did not like that boy (rings no, but really is yes), or dislikes you since that point in the past (rings no, and is really no).

I've only seen one module shaped to purposely lie to people. It was pretty funny reading its triggers. Literally just roll a D6 and do anything from threaten murder to ask to become a couple to insult you, etc. I've not seen it applied to a character, but yes if someone really wanted they could throw the player (and other NPCs) through the wringer with very bizarre false information. For your current stated scenarios I anticipate the simplest explanation is they procced a failure on the question or actually do not like the individual to say no.

Test triggers example for someone to build: at end of conversation, state LLDH of Talker and Target. If such a specific question of the kind where a person's name is chosen, put in another line to indicate the kind of talk, the LLDH of the replying person for the target, and whether or not the conversation passed or failed.

 

[Monosomething]

A little update on "what the fuck is crackin"


In case any of the more perceptive ones are wondering about the purple statuses: cards with the Exploitable trait have this nasty habit of running up to you, sometimes multiple times in a single break period, and pleading you to not give up their secret - abusing them makes this nuisance stop. In this case - ive just told them to ignore some random people, so they would finally stop bothering me. Unfortunately - they do this to everyone. Not just cards with the Schemer trait. Another AI exclusive ability that should have, at least, 1 use per day cooldown (*cough* "have you had sex with x?/did you ever have sex?" *cough*).

I was meaning to ask, since on the outside it doesnt seem like anything changed - various statuses indicate a level of LLDH, and these are, more or less, clear, if you know how to read them. Ive noticed the "Angel" status is your typical high love count indicator, that only shows up once a few weeks have passed, and youre at the top of the popularity ranking.

What interests me is the "Slut" status. It, obviously, means you fucked with 5 or more characters... does it do anything else?
I would assume characters would be reluctant to get into a relationship with a card having this status, but im getting lover requests all the time, even though ive slept with 10 of 13 chicks in class. Hell, i very well might be the sluttiest slut of them all, since the second slut in class only fucked 6 guys (haha!). My fly trap ("Mileena Argo") only fucked 4 guys (that includes me, but shes in a stable relationship with 2 guys, while the 3rd dumped her somewhere along the way... looks like the "casanova" module is imperfect). I am almost ashamed of myself. Almost...

Any ideas about the "Slut" status? Or it just an annoying flavor text that obstructs your actual LLDH indicators?