Ren'Py Completed Babysitter [Final v0.2.2b] [T4bbo]

[Siddington]

If you hate NTR, wouldn't that mean you would enjoy playing this game?! If you make the wrong choices, you get punished with NTR! This provides extra motivation to find the correct choices, right? I mean, otherwise, you're just clicking and looking at renders. But if you really hate NTR, then you're on pins and needles hoping you made the right choice, which makes the game more enjoyable to play! There are consequences and competition, the most crucial elements of games. Or maybe I really don't understand how some people enjoy playing games (or understand how deep the NTR rabbithole goes, I guess).

I think that's the issue, it is very divisive. Having NTR content in a game is a massive tonal shift for people who don't like it. It can fundamentally change how the player views and plays the game. As for "motivation" and enjoyment", I don't know about you but I could certainly be motivated to find a job asap to deal with mounting money issues but I certainly wouldn't enjoy the process. First and foremost these games are mean't to be fun and there is nothing less fun that someone who doesn't like NTR having to second guess every decision just encase said decision leads to some NTR an hour later. I have long came to the conclusion that this game was lost to me and that's my decision. I am gutted though.

 

[Siddington]

well more then likely this game is going to be attacked by north korea (pateron) since incest and rape factor so w/e

At least the dev hasn't got much incest to remove... Practically a 5 minute job and he's good to go. Wow I'm sounding really bitter now aren't I

 

[King Monkey Mon]

At least the dev hasn't got much incest to remove... Practically a 5 minute job and he's good to go. Wow I'm sounding really bitter now aren't I

you are less bitter then me but you are right seeing how there hardly isnt any incest from what ive seen but that rape factor pretty much did for me

 

[King Monkey Mon]

People who dislike ntr, sharing games including me they mostly imagine themselves as the MC and they don't want to play a game where they have to heavily use walkthrough to win the girl/s, they want to relax and enjoy the game where they fucking every girl in the game. Doesn't have to be every girl, there may be interest in only one girl. Of course i don't mind if some fucker looking at my girl in these games, and try to have something with her, but as long as he can't touch 'my girl/s' and as long i can beat the shit out of him i'm good. 'We' people who dislike ntr and sharing fetish, we don't want to see 'our' girl/s, or potentional love interest fucking other dudes, because why would i want that girl later in the game if she fucked one or more dudes. I automatically lose interest in that girl, like i have a self-respect you fucked other dude/s why would i want you later beside me? Hopefully you understand what i'm explaining to you, and sorry for long post guys. Also different people different kinks

in all honesty the only NTR in a incest game i enjoy is Netori i do like NTR when the game is solely built on it like Lily in the Valley and mostly i only enjoy it when you play as a female protagonist

 

[fauxplayer]

People who dislike ntr, sharing games including me they mostly imagine themselves as the MC and they don't want to play a game where they have to heavily use walkthrough to win the girl/s, they want to relax and enjoy the game where they fucking every girl in the game. Doesn't have to be every girl, there may be interest in only one girl. Of course i don't mind if some fucker looking at my girl in these games, and try to have something with her, but as long as he can't touch 'my girl/s' and as long i can beat the shit out of him i'm good. 'We' people who dislike ntr and sharing fetish, we don't want to see 'our' girl/s, or potentional love interest fucking other dudes, because why would i want that girl later in the game if she fucked one or more dudes. I automatically lose interest in that girl, like i have a self-respect you fucked other dude/s why would i want you later beside me? Hopefully you understand what i'm explaining to you, and sorry for long post guys. Also different people different kinks

I think that's the issue, it is very divisive. Having NTR content in a game is a massive tonal shift for people who don't like it. It can fundamentally change how the player views and plays the game. As for "motivation" and enjoyment", I don't know about you but I could certainly be motivated to find a job asap to deal with mounting money issues but I certainly wouldn't enjoy the process. First and foremost these games are mean't to be fun and there is nothing less fun that someone who doesn't like NTR having to second guess every decision just encase said decision leads to some NTR an hour later. I have long came to the conclusion that this game was lost to me and that's my decision. I am gutted though.

Thanks to you both. I actually feel like I get it now . I really like voyeur content and content where you are competing with another male for the interest of the girl you're pursuing, but I hate cuck content (where the girl you are WITH and who is with you is sexual with another guy), and I strongly dislike NTR content where you're being forced to submit to the humiliation of a girl you are pursuing being sexual with someone else. Maybe those fetishes straddle the line where I don't see the niece in this game being diddled by what's-his-name as the kind of NTR where the MC is humiliated by having the object of his affection pleasured by another guy. I see it as "welp, just gotta try harder now to win her over!"

 

[GrandJury]

in all honesty the only NTR in a incest game i enjoy is Netori i do like NTR when the game is solely built on it like Lily in the Valley and mostly i only enjoy it when you play as a female protagonist

I also think that incest fetish and NTR fetish doesn't go together. Majority incest lovers 70-80% of them doesn't like ntr, and they end up angry at the devs when they include it later in the game. It's better for devs to create a non-incest game with primarily netorare fetish, and it's a win-win situation in the end and everyone is happy. That's my opinion.

 

[King Monkey Mon]

I also think that incest fetish and NTR fetish doesn't go together. Majority incest lovers like 70-80% of them doesn't like ntr, and they end up angry at the devs when they include it later in the game. It's better for devs to create a non-incest game with primarily netorare fetish, and it's a win-win situation in the end and everyone is happy. That's my opinion.

exactly

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

As the new lead writer for the game. Yeah, seriously mods, It's totally cool to put the NTR tag on here. I mean. Come on, if some of the endings of the hot tub scene don't count, then what does?

That being said, as someone who mirrored a lot of the same complaints I am seeing about the early stuff, I do hope people see 0.9 as an improvement, both in the amount of spiciness and the ability to have your choices affect things. And my goal is to make sure that the MC is not left out in the cold when it comes to content.

Look there will be NTR in the game, but I do think the levels of it are being overstated here. The Silver thing is not hard to avoid, and but I can see how it will take people by surprise. Hell I made a lot of these complaints earlier too. And feedback is feedback, at least to me.

Now that being said.

@King Monkey Mon I do find it at least a little odd calling this game out for rape, when Dreams of Desire is by any clear way of looking at it, is a rape fest. I like that game a lot, BTW, it's one of my faves. But, let's be serious what you do is scummy. And another game on your top 20, Glassix is ALL about mind control rape, followed by actually sacrificing your family and other girls you are with to a succubus. Again, it's a fun game, with decent sex scenes, but come on. MNL has some NTR with Sarah AND Rape in it (Tyna, and your rape the owner of a house one), and again, no complaints.

So if you are cool with molesting women in their sleep, raping them via mind control, or what have you. Why is the Silver scene something that bothers you so much? I assume it's setting off an emotional reaction, which hey, that's totally fair, but why is this one so bad, when the other games get a pass. Is it because the MC is the one doing the molesting/raping (though, again, in MNL and Glassix, this is not always the case.)

Because what Silver has done so far is in no way worse than what the MC can do that very same night, and it isn't even as bad NTR wise as what happens to the mom early in DoD if you choose the sexy dress.

 

[rodneyeatme]

So if you are cool with molesting women in their sleep, raping them via mind control, or what have you. Why is the Silver scene something that bothers you so much?

Obviously because it isn't our POV. Silver is reviled from word one of the game's text. Subjecting our virgin, partially retarded niece to that slob is simply unappealing.

BTW, you mentioned an update and a walkthrough on Thursday. You guys release it yet?

 

[Ignazzio]

I think this was a major issue with this game for a while in that you needed a walkthrough to literally ensure you made the right decisions to avoid NTR content. If this has been addressed in recent patches to make it a little more forgiving fair enough. The Silver decision as to whether to bring Christine to the meeting with an obvious sexual predator was a no brainer but as we know now that decision brought other issues, as in BBC.

Points were altered quite a lot but they will be polished more in a future. I doubt it will change your opinion about game but it should be more easier a bit and more obvious. But this game as most games based on points isn't meant to be forgiving I guess. I like that to be honest.

As for the Chris, Jess, Robert thing, if there were a line of text before the decision that stated "I could dance with Jess but I'm not exactly comfortable with Robert getting closer to Christine" You could say ample warning was given. Now as I have said, I haven't played the recent update so please correct me if i'm wrong and if a line like this or something similar is present in the game.

I'm not sure if that's what you mean but MC is really pissed on Robert regardless of his choice. He doesn't like it at all and after dance he can ditch him entirely without real consequences.

As for your "If someone is annoyed with Robert fingering niece why he invited him to apartament? That's kinda illogical" and "It's like picking anal and being annoyed that female is being buttfucked" comments, they are condescending. As we've seen in these games not everything is black and white. Just because you dance with someone else doesn't necessarily mean you are going to see the other person get fingered an hour later. On the other hand maybe that is exactly what players should expect now that this has become an NTR game... except without the tag attached.

Well, as I said it's just one of a results. It's hard to expect that horny, young guy you invited to your hot tub with half naked chick won't have opportunities. A lot of sexual scenes in all games are creepy and unnatural but this one actually is very realistic. You can just not take him with you so girls will be yours alone. You can also win with him while in tub but that's not as obvious I suppose. I get that points system sometimes might lead to unwanted consequences (tbh I think only Silver hotel is such a thing) but when some content is based on a choice you're just being picky I understand you might really don't like some content but it's really not so bad. You're annoyed on a route you shouldn't pick cuz seriously MC hates Robert and Robert is pretty honest with his intentions so inviting him may (or may not) lead to unwanted routes.

The Silver thing is not hard to avoid, and but I can see how it will take people by surprise. Hell I made a lot of these complaints earlier too. And feedback is feedback, at least to me.

Silver was being a compaint as walkthrough seems to be wrong. At least on a corruption route. I've seen such posts before so I assume it leads to Silver Route as MC doesn't have enough points. You should inform T4bbo to fix that in a future walkthroughs as it surely might be annoying.

you hit the nail right on the head not to mention you never had any sexual relationship beforehand but some prick gets to almost rape her because of reasons?

Yeah, he's a creep. But if you're with your niece in a hotel MC can do basically the same thing so no sexual relationship for MC is exageration. He can do the same things and more as Silver. But it depends on the route.

 

[T4bbo]

you hit the nail right on the head not to mention you never had any sexual relationship beforehand but some prick gets to almost rape her because of reasons?

If you would pay any attention to the game you would not have a playthrough with Silver, but based on your comments rate in this thread you really care about this game so much and we appreciatte that. We also understand you don't want any competition in the game, we talked about it already, that's not gonna happen, so please choose another topic to discuss because you are really starting to spam here.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

Obviously because it isn't our POV. Silver is reviled from word one of the game's text. Subjecting our virgin, partially retarded niece to that slob is simply unappealing.

BTW, you mentioned an update and a walkthrough on Thursday. You guys release it yet?

Fair enough. I just find the being totally fine if YOU molest the shit out of Christine, but being THAT put off by the Silver thing kinda weird. But hey, everyone's emotional responses and kinks are different. You do you.

Walkthrough is taking longer than expected. Mainly because we've done a lot of back end changes, and are working on the best way to set it up in order to make sure that we mark the routes properly. I did say "knock on wood" the last time about when it would come out. Sadly the knocking didn't work.

in all honesty you do have a point however theres a different when you mind control someone to actually enjoy it or isnt aware of whats happening do the subconscious sleep state and then progressively dont need the mind control i hate rape when a woman is aware of because she sounds like she is in pain as well the tortuous facial features

not to mention those shadow beings raping the mom and the book mom was writing hasnt been expanded on and even the shadow beings are more like nightmares then a reality and i didnt like that my sisters teacher was raped by her ex boy friend seriously though the main concept is when that all combines with NTR or Neotare do you not understand the difference between Netori and Neotare the stain on porn games

To start things off:

First off, I perfectly know the difference between Netori and Netorare, it's not a particularly hard concept to grasp. And NTR as a tag covers all of it. But it is FAR more commonly used when dealing with someone other than the MC of the piece fucking a love interest. Netori is complete the opposite. Nearly every harem game here has Netori of some sort. When people think NTR they think about the cucking, or what have you. I have no idea where the sister's BF Being raped thing comes from, but ok.

But in case you need more evidence:

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Next, by your same logic about rape, Christine wasn't aware of what Silver did, so no harm no foul right?

I'm being facetious, well a little bit. But still. It's totally fine to dislike NTR, and the NTR in this game is totally optional, and will especially with this update, be even easier to avoid. If having the option of it in the game at all drives you nuts. Not much we can do about it. The game is what it is.

 

[King Monkey Mon]

Fair enough. I just find the being totally fine if YOU molest the shit out of Christine, but being THAT put off by the Silver thing kinda weird. But hey, everyone's emotional responses and kinks are different. You do you.

Walkthrough is taking longer than expected. Mainly because we've done a lot of back end changes, and are working on the best way to set it up in order to make sure that we mark the routes properly. I did say "knock on wood" the last time about when it would come out. Sadly the knocking didn't work.



To start things off:

First off, I perfectly know the difference between Netori and Netorare, it's not a particularly hard concept to grasp. And NTR as a tag covers all of it. But it is FAR more commonly used when dealing with someone other than the MC of the piece fucking a love interest. Netori is complete the opposite. Nearly every harem game here has Netori of some sort. When people think NTR they think about the cucking, or what have you. I have no idea where the sister's BF Being raped thing comes from, but ok.

But in case you need more evidence:

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Next, by your same logic about rape, Christine wasn't aware of what Silver did, so no harm no foul right?

I'm being facetious, well a little bit. But still. It's totally fine to dislike NTR, and the NTR in this game is totally optional, and will especially with this update, be even easier to avoid. If having the option of it in the game at all drives you nuts. Not much we can do about it. The game is what it is.

when you play as Main character and you someone you love in the game do you really want her to get raped or you get cucked thats why people hate Neotare but people dont mind Netori and by my logic she wasnt mind controlled so if something did happen and it will because ive seen a bunch of games that follow this route shes not going to like it and shes going to get blackmailed so yeah harm done alot

 

[T4bbo]

oh trust me im done with this game seeing how you lie to you supporters and the people here since there is no tags on your pateron site you are the son of big brother and because of that you fooled me real good when you name the person who tried to rape your retarded niece silver

i shouldve seen it coming i shouldve stopped playing a long time ago but i decided to give you the benefit of the doubt seeing how you said the game wouldnt have NTR in it the only time ill come here is to reply to people so sorry that your salty about now people will now know that this game has NTR due to a tag that brought to the attention of a mod

There have been polls with Patreons already almost all of them voted they dont care about competition if it is avoidable, it's more of the challenge for them to play it right and more than 1/3 Patreons even want to play those parts where they dont end well according to you... so you are pretty much misleading and lying here and I am starting to get curious why are you troling here so much...

 

[fauxplayer]

oh trust me im done with this game seeing how you lie to you supporters and the people here since there is no tags on your pateron site you are the son of big brother and because of that you fooled me real good when you name the person who tried to rape your retarded niece silver

i shouldve seen it coming i shouldve stopped playing a long time ago but i decided to give you the benefit of the doubt seeing how you said the game wouldnt have NTR in it the only time ill come here is to reply to people so sorry that your salty about now people will now know that this game has NTR due to a tag that brought to the attention of a mod

For someone who has been completely "done" with this game for the last several pages of this thread, the last several pages of this thread sure contain a lot of comments from you repeating the fact you are done with a game you don't appear to be done with...

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

when you play as Main character and you someone you love in the game do you really want her to get raped or you get cucked thats why people hate Neotare but people dont mind Netori and by my logic she wasnt mind controlled so if something did happen and it will because ive seen a bunch of games that follow this route shes not going to like it and shes going to get blackmailed so yeah harm done alot

Right, and that has nothing to do with me, or T4bbo not understanding NTR or Netori.

We understand it fine. Now I agree that there should be a tag, and now there is. Good. I said that myself a while back. Most games fit your desires of not having competition, and I understand that. But that is not the type of game Babysitter is. Maybe it could have communicated that better, we are working on that now.

I also do find it kinda funny that you think you know how this game is going to go. I won't say much except, I think I will go back to this post later, and see how your prediction holds up.

I'm not sure if that's what you mean but MC is really pissed on Robert regardless of his choice. He doesn't like it at all and after dance he can ditch him entirely without real consequences.

Well, as I said it's just one of a results. It's hard to expect that horny, young guy you invited to your hot tub with half naked chick won't have opportunities. A lot of sexual scenes in all games are creepy and unnatural but this one actually is very realistic. You can just not take him with you so girls will be yours alone. You can also win with him while in tub but that's not as obvious I suppose. I get that points system sometimes might lead to unwanted consequences (tbh I think only Silver hotel is such a thing) but when some content is based on a choice you're just being picky I understand you might really don't like some content but it's really not so bad. You're annoyed on a route you shouldn't pick cuz seriously MC hates Robert and Robert is pretty honest with his intentions so inviting him may (or may not) lead to unwanted routes.

Thank you! You invite a clear player who the the girls are at least a little sweet on, you have to know there is a lot of risk involved. Or so I would hope.

 

[Kudram]

There have been polls with Patreons already almost all of them voted they dont care about competition if it is avoidable, it's more of the challenge for them to play it right and more than 1/3 Patreons even want to play those parts where they dont end well according to you... so you are pretty much misleading and lying here and I am starting to get curious why are you troling here so much...

Odds are, he didn't see them as generally only freeloaders whine about such things on non-game-related forums.

Just a hunch though.

 

[Aristos]

People want games but don't want to play them. I just don't get it.
I don't care for NTR either so I PLAY these GAMES trying to avoid that possibility.
Take it as your personal GAME OVER, mate. Play, play, play! Don't just press a key and wait for everything to turn out as you expected.

This game has really hot chicks and very funny situations. I hate making comparisons, but I'd rather keep my eyes open trying to keep all these ladies for myself than get cheap sex scenes with 12-year-old looking girls like DMD to name one.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

probably because i myself am salty for following a poorly made walkthrough which lead me into this situation ive heard if you take a different route you dont get in a NTR situation if there was a walkthrough made that includes future consequence i would enjoy that since i took a corruption route hoping that would opening up my niece to having a relationship with me and since there was no consequences in the walkthough i got ambushed

That's a fair critique, hence why we are working (and by wee I mean T4bbo) on a better walkthrough, which will better reflect things like avoiding NTR though again, most of it should be self evident. I will also note that the Friend and Horny points in this game aren't exactly the same as they are in other games. There are consequences both good and bad for very high scores in both (mainly good, but...)

 

[rodneyeatme]

Fair enough. I just find the being totally fine if YOU molest the shit out of Christine, but being THAT put off by the Silver thing kinda weird. But hey, everyone's emotional responses and kinks are different. You do you.

I hear you. And here's the thing, despite thinking my response is "normal", I kind of think I get what T4bbo is doing. I'm anti NTR/Cuck/Sharing and I think T4bbo was a bit vague about its inclusion, but despite that, when I've got a walkthrough I've really enjoyed this game. If I'd been polled on any of the choices he's made, from the interface changes to the NTR stuff, I'd have been immediately negative. And yet, every new release, I find myself enjoying the game more and more.

So, right back at you guys - you do you. Weighing the opinions of others can be highly overrated.

Walkthrough is taking longer than expected. Mainly because we've done a lot of back end changes, and are working on the best way to set it up in order to make sure that we mark the routes properly. I did say "knock on wood" the last time about when it would come out. Sadly the knocking didn't work.

All good. Just asking to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Thanks for the reply, man.