Mod Ren'Py Completed Babysitter mod [final] [khumak]

[khumak]

...may we expect the update of your mod for the new v.0.1.7?...

Definitely, but there was a note from the lead writer that there are some known bugs in v0.1.7 that they're planning on addressing with a bugfix. So I'm not going to update until after the bug fix. So probably not til after Christmas. The next update will not have my new hot tub event, it will just be to convert the current mod version to the new version of the game. It may have some of the renders from the new hot tub event though if you're the type that likes to look through the image folder, but they won't be implemented into the game yet.

The hot tub event will probably take me til at least the end of January and possibly even part way into February since I've decided to expand it to include some NTR as well. Most of it will not have NTR (and the NTR will be completely avoidable) but I wanted to see how it turned out if I tried some and whether NTR fans would like it.

I'm hoping to strike a decent balance with my NTR stuff so that you don't have to go all in on either NTR or no NTR. So for the mod scenes I'm hoping to have it set up so that there's a strictly zero NTR path where you can completely shut down Robert and Silver, an "all in" NTR path where Silver and/or Robert get most of the action, and a mixed path where the player can decide how much "side action" to let the girls have.

I don't consider lesbo scenes to be NTR for purposes of the mod so those types of scenes will be available regardless what your choices are regarding NTR. For now, my NTR scenes will only involve Robert. I haven't even tried to recreate Silver yet, and depending on how things turn out, the day 10 hot tub might be my 1 and only attempt at NTR.

 

[ltpika]

Definitely, but there was a note from the lead writer that there are some known bugs in v0.1.7 that they're planning on addressing with a bugfix. So I'm not going to update until after the bug fix. So probably not til after Christmas. The next update will not have my new hot tub event, it will just be to convert the current mod version to the new version of the game. It may have some of the renders from the new hot tub event though if you're the type that likes to look through the image folder, but they won't be implemented into the game yet.

The hot tub event will probably take me til at least the end of January and possibly even part way into February since I've decided to expand it to include some NTR as well. Most of it will not have NTR (and the NTR will be completely avoidable) but I wanted to see how it turned out if I tried some and whether NTR fans would like it.

I'm hoping to strike a decent balance with my NTR stuff so that you don't have to go all in on either NTR or no NTR. So for the mod scenes I'm hoping to have it set up so that there's a strictly zero NTR path where you can completely shut down Robert and Silver, an "all in" NTR path where Silver and/or Robert get most of the action, and a mixed path where the player can decide how much "side action" to let the girls have.

I don't consider lesbo scenes to be NTR for purposes of the mod so those types of scenes will be available regardless what your choices are regarding NTR. For now, my NTR scenes will only involve Robert. I haven't even tried to recreate Silver yet, and depending on how things turn out, the day 10 hot tub might be my 1 and only attempt at NTR.

I say stick to the scenes you are into personally. If you try and force yourself to do a fetish you aren't into, it'll probably end up not being very satisfying anyway. Writing what you know is always best.

 

[khumak]

I say stick to the scenes you are into personally. If you try and force yourself to do a fetish you aren't into, it'll probably end up not being very satisfying anyway. Writing what you know is always best.

Oh I plan to. What I'm trying to do is to kind of dig deeper into the types of scenes that can happen in NTR and just focus on the aspects of it that I like. So for example I do like voyeurism. I do like a little teasing and some jealousy. I hate bullying. I don't like submissive males. I really don't like scenes that dwell on humiliation.

So revenge porn type scenes I think I could get into where either the MC or some other character is being punished for some indiscretion so it feels like they deserve it. Some sort of swinger type scene where both MC and the person he's interested in are trading a little side action for some voyeurism/jealousy inspired action (for that type of scene I would want MC to be able to decide where to draw the line and shut it down at their preferred "limit"). I'd find it hard to write that type of scene if the girl is the only one getting the action and the MC is just watching. MC would have to be getting a comparable amount of action in return so it felt more balanced.

Something like a strip poker game or truth and dare or something where either of them could shut it down wherever they think the line is would be an example of a scene that I think could be hot and that I wouldn't have a problem writing and rendering even if it had some NTR scenes where the MC is clearly losing as long as that wasn't a guaranteed outcome. I would want MC to be able to win and even dominate in a scene like that and the clear "losing/NTR" finale scenario would more likely be by choice.

The type of NTR that I definitely could never do convincingly would be something where the MC comes off as being a total loser who is dominated by his adversary and meekly watches as any girl he's interested gets fucked by his adversaries or is physically restrained while someone fucks his girls right in front of him. Not gonna happen. I would hate trying to create a scene like that.

 

[khumak]

The swinger idea actually had me thinking about something else that I hadn't really given much thought to before but might be worth exploring in an adult game.

I think most people in a relationship have certain lines that they wouldn't want crossed, but would they both draw those lines in the same place? This is true even for people just identifying with the MC in a game to some degree I think (as opposed to someone just thinking of themselves as a puppetmaster or spectator), but much moreso in a real life relationship.

Would we both fly off the handle at even a little flirting or is there a higher bar? If I made a list of every fantasy I have from the most innocent to the most potentially objectionable and she did the same, probably both of us would not agree to the "worst" stuff on the other's list from each of our perspectives. But there could be some overlap.

What if there's things on my list that she'd agree to swap for certain things on her list and vice versa? Some things wouldn't make the cut obviously, but others might. For instance in my case if she wanted to make out with her hot female BFF, that would be a pretty low bar for me. Basically, I'd demand to watch and that's all it would take to make me happy no matter how far she wanted to go with her friend. If there was some token contact for me as well whether crotch grab/handjob/BJ/whatever from either of them that would be nice as well but entirely optional. More likely that would be on my list rather than hers though.

Kind of a horse trading type thing. If you give me this thing on my list, I'll give you this and this from your list... Maybe she really gets off on the idea of making me jealous but I'm adamant about not letting her actually fuck any other guy. But maybe it's enough just to roleplay it with her pretending to cheat and me pretending to be some random guy (or someone specific like the mailman, or Brad Pitt, or whatever). I wouldn't necessarily get much out of that beyond knowing that she's really turned on while I fuck her, but what could I trade for it? Most likely she'd agree to roleplay some slutty maid/nurse/actress/whatever I wanted in exchange (or maybe something more personal like her sister).

Or maybe she's got a thing for both exhibitionism and jealousy and she'll let me have something on my list if we go to some club and I let some guys grope her in front of the whole club (which I really wouldn't like). Would that be enough for her to arrange a BJ from her BFF who she knows I have a bit of a thing for? Maybe. Especially if she also gets off on being jealous herself.

Maybe she's willing to give me the top item on my list (or something close to it), in exchange for me having to watch her give some dude a BJ. I definitely wouldn't like that but she's not actually getting fucked. Would I trade that if she arranged to have a couple of her hot friends eat each other out while I fucked both of them? I wouldn't let her fuck someone else but I might make that trade.

Maybe that last deal doesn't quite work. Maybe I won't agree to the BJ but I will agree to letting some dude eat her out if I got what I wanted. Maybe she won't let me fuck someone else but she will let me fuck her while she eats her friend out. That wouldn't work for me but it might for some people.

By the same token if her top item was something crazy like being a cum bucket in some sort of gangbang or something, there's just nothing she could trade that would entice me to ever make that trade so that would have to be crossed off the list. She could give me everything on my list and it wouldn't be enough for that. The same would probably be true for some things on my list.

 

[khumak]

Ok the bug fix is out. I haven't played it with the bugfix yet so I'm just hoping they're not going to need another bugfix update, but I decided to try and update the mod to work with the bugfix version and see if I can get it done before Christmas. I'm simplifying my corruption system a bit to make it easier to update so there are less vanilla events that you'll gain corruption for unless I'm already modifying that event for some other reason as well. So not missing my events will be a bit more important than before and your corruption scores will be lower than before (but so will the event requirements).

I also decided that my day 4 event with Jessica which was set up intentionally as a bit of an easter egg was just too easy to miss and was probably a bad game design decision. So I'm changing it so that it no longer matters if you go hot tubbing with Christine and Jess on day 4, or if you instead do the mock up interview with Christine in her room. Both options will lead to the chance for my little naked hot tub event with Jess leading to the potential footjob. Have already tested up to there and that works.

I probably won't make many other changes other than just tweaking things for my current events to work in the new version and the hot tub will still be the same version as last time. I think I have a better process for updating now though so it should be easier for me going forward as new versions come out. I'd like have my process for that streamlined enough that I can update my mod for a new version of the game in no more than a few hours.

So hopefully new version somtime tonight or tomorrow.

 

[khumak]

Ok mod is updated for v0.1.7b now. You still need the previous version for the images, I didn't add any new ones. Just overwrite the script.rpy file with the update attached in the OP.

 

[khumak]

I thought I'd mention one other thing as well. I've gotten enough feedback about MC and Robert having smaller dicks than in the vanilla game that I decided to increase their dick sizes again and redo the day 10 hot tub renders I had already done at the old settings that included close up shots of either of their dicks so that will extend the time I need for the next update. Can't guarantee that their new sizes will match vanilla but they're both much bigger now.

My original models had Dicktator scale set at -40% for MC and -35% for Robert. The new renders will have MC at -25% scale and Robert at -20% so both of them will have huge dicks. I think that should be close enough. I'll put up a couple of comparison shots when I get a few done to show the size difference. Unfortunately this means I'll have to redo most of the renders I already had finished.

For anyone who didn't already know, the default size for Dicktator is just cartoonishly large (significantly bigger than even Robert in the vanilla game).

 

[khumak]

Played the new bug fix version a few times to see the new content and noticed that I missed a few things when I updated the mod so I just finished a new version to fix those things. Future updates should be a lot easier for me.

 

[crisbr]

Played the new bug fix version a few times to see the new content and noticed that I missed a few things when I updated the mod so I just finished a new version to fix those things. Future updates should be a lot easier for me.

nice work!!!!!

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

I'm quite excited to see those scenes with the girls and robert in the hot tub. just thinking about the girls getting into it, but then the MC tries to object but jess just shushes him as christine slips her lips over his thick black cockhead. jess then sees the MC is hard watching them and so jess starts rubbing chris as she sucks making the MC jealous...mmmm so hot!

 

[khumak]

Haven't done much rendering yet since increasing MC and Robert's dick sizes but since my previous scene showed Robert coming out on top (I'll be redoing those shots), here's a few shots with MC coming out on top.

In this shot, Robert does not have his hips raised. He's sitting on the hot tub bench and his dick still sticks up that far out of the water.



Christine finishing MC off and she can barely get her fingers around it.


Robert seems to like what he sees:

 

[khumak]

I have a question for NTR fans. If you saw my earlier NTR test renders you may have noticed that I had MC rendered as angry, making a fist, etc in the scene where he's watching while Robert is getting some HJ/oral attention from the girls. From an NTR fan standpoint, is it better to have MC mad about it or turned on by it (even if he's also mad)? I think most guys would be mad about it but I think that makes the options for the scene more limited.

After thinking about it a little I'm leaning towards fans wanting him to be turned on by it and have started redoing the NTR scenes based on that assumption (both Robert and MC being turned on while watching the girls going at it with the other guy). Part of my reasoning for that is that it also leaves the door open for scenes where both of them take part in some way rather than being purely passive whether that just means them wanking a bit while watching or actually joining in somehow. I was going to redo the NTR scenes I had already rendered anyway since MC and Robert both have bigger dicks now.

I'm planning on having basically 3 different NTR paths in the hot tub scene. There's one path where Robert is there but MC makes choices that are guaranteed to shut Robert down so MC wins. There's another path where Robert is there and Robert is guaranteed to come out on top. Then there's the third path which I find more interesting but will be harder to do where they both have a legitimate battle and both of them have escalating scenes where they get some until 1 of them finally wins.

And for people who don't like NTR, don't worry there will be multiple chances to get rid of Robert without him getting anything whether you let him come over or not. Also, even though I've been talking about NTR a lot lately, my mod will continue to primarily focus on MC and the girls, not MC's opponents. I am curious to get some feedback from people who don't like NTR though and might be willing to play through my NTR scenes, especially the middle of the road option where neither MC or Robert is guaranteed to win. I'm hoping if people have some control over how far things go they'll like it more. So you can scratch that voyeurism itch a little and then shut it down where ever you want.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

I have a question for NTR fans. If you saw my earlier NTR test renders you may have noticed that I had MC rendered as angry, making a fist, etc in the scene where he's watching while Robert is getting some HJ/oral attention from the girls. From an NTR fan standpoint, is it better to have MC mad about it or turned on by it (even if he's also mad)? I think most guys would be mad about it but I think that makes the options for the scene more limited.


After thinking about it a little I'm leaning towards fans wanting him to be turned on by it and have started redoing the NTR scenes based on that assumption (both Robert and MC being turned on while watching the girls going at it with the other guy). Part of my reasoning for that is that it also leaves the door open for scenes where both of them take part in some way rather than being purely passive whether that just means them wanking a bit while watching or actually joining in somehow. I was going to redo the NTR scenes I had already rendered anyway since MC and Robert both have bigger dicks now.


I'm planning on having basically 3 different NTR paths in the hot tub scene. There's one path where Robert is there but MC makes choices that are guaranteed to shut Robert down so MC wins. There's another path where Robert is there and Robert is guaranteed to come out on top. Then there's the third path which I find more interesting but will be harder to do where they both have a legitimate battle and both of them have escalating scenes where they get some until 1 of them finally wins.


And for people who don't like NTR, don't worry there will be multiple chances to get rid of Robert without him getting anything whether you let him come over or not. Also, even though I've been talking about NTR a lot lately, my mod will continue to primarily focus on MC and the girls, not MC's opponents. I am curious to get some feedback from people who don't like NTR though and might be willing to play through my NTR scenes, especially the middle of the road option where neither MC or Robert is guaranteed to win. I'm hoping if people have some control over how far things go they'll like it more. So you can scratch that voyeurism itch a little and then shut it down where ever you want.

If the MC likes watching the girls with Robert, then that would be a cuckhold scene. If he doesn't like it because he's jealous then thats NTR. You could do three paths like you're describing. One path where the MC gets all the action would be normal. One where he shares the action or enjoys watching could be for group or cuckhold scenes, but for NTR he would want to stop the girls from doing anything from Robert but can't object to it (I think in the vanilla scene it's mostly because if he says anything he's coming off as an ass).


For the path with the MC getting no action, you could branch it from the ntr line where chris pics robert to sit on and jess and robert keep daring her to do something else. Even better would be if the MC dared her to do something thinking she'd do it to him or jess but chris does it with robert instead. Then the MC can't object to it because he dared her to do it and if he objected he would have to explain that he's jealous because he has the hots for his niece, so he just keeps quiet while being frustrated at having to watch.

 

[khumak]

If the MC likes watching the girls with Robert, then that would be a cuckhold scene. If he doesn't like it because he's jealous then thats NTR. You could do three paths like you're describing. One path where the MC gets all the action would be normal. One where he shares the action or enjoys watching could be for group or cuckhold scenes, but for NTR he would want to stop the girls from doing anything from Robert but can't object to it (I think in the vanilla scene it's mostly because if he says anything he's coming off as an ass).


For the path with the MC getting no action, you could branch it from the ntr line where chris pics robert to sit on and jess and robert keep daring her to do something else. Even better would be if the MC dared her to do something thinking she'd do it to him or jess but chris does it with robert instead. Then the MC can't object to it because he dared her to do it and if he objected he would have to explain that he's jealous because he has the hots for his niece, so he just keeps quiet while being frustrated at having to watch.

Ok thanks for the feedback. I can make sure to include some shots with MC having an angry face so I should be able to set the scenes up for both that way. I think I'll do it without the fist since I'm not planning on having them actually fight. I think the angry face is enough.

I can't really see Robert caring enough to be mad about it other than at the very end I may have to put some reason for him to get mad and leave if it's the mixed path and MC wins (since Robert is not there for my vanilla finale). Haven't decided yet how I'm going to set that up. Another option for that path that I'm considering and is probably more likely is that Robert tries to take things too far and the girls kick him out. A modified version of that idea would also work for the scenario where Robert wins since that could be the trigger for Christine heading to her room and then ties back to the vanilla NTR finale.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

Ok thanks for the feedback. I can make sure to include some shots with MC having an angry face so I should be able to set the scenes up for both that way. I think I'll do it without the fist since I'm not planning on having them actually fight. I think the angry face is enough.

I can't really see Robert caring enough to be mad about it other than at the very end I may have to put some reason for him to get mad and leave if it's the mixed path and MC wins (since Robert is not there for my vanilla finale). Haven't decided yet how I'm going to set that up. Another option for that path that I'm considering and is probably more likely is that Robert tries to take things too far and the girls kick him out. A modified version of that idea would also work for the scenario where Robert wins since that could be the trigger for Christine heading to her room and then ties back to the vanilla NTR finale.

In order to get rid of Robert on the MC wins parh, you could have him get bored/annoyed that the girls are ignoring him and just leave on his own.

I think that without the fist would be better, maybe the MC turns his head in frustration for a moment but looks back when one of the girls laughs or moans.

 

[khumak]

Here's a couple more comparison shots showing MC's new dick size so you can see he's almost as big as Robert (His butt is firmly planted on the hot tub bench here as well and his dick still sticks up out of the water.)

 

[Goobercreek]

I think the two keys to any good NTR scene/story are that there is a sense of escalating competition between the pro/antagonist, and that everything should be the result of the protag's decision. To explain it in a counter-intuitive way, it should be a story about the choices of the protag leading to his "downfall". Magic Dick NTR is boring and overplayed x100, the conclusion to the scene should be due to the decisions of the player rather than a designated story path.

For example, the MC should always be either raising the stakes or rising to Robert's challenges. Robert getting any action after entering the hot tub should be the result of the player deliberately making misplays until it reaches the point of no return. At no stage should the player feel like the scene is out of their control. The player should always have the option to gain the upper hand and/or prevent the antag from obtaining "the goods".

I think this is the biggest reason why Eric from Big Brother was met with such venomous hate to the point it irreparably damaged what would go on to being an over 1k page thread. Eric came in and conquered with no build up or narrative tension, so it felt like you were no longer playing a game, just clicking on the screen to go from scene to scene. That last criticism would remain true for the game in other ways from then on, but that's a conversation for another (somehow still not yet dead) thread.

 

[khumak]

So far I'm having a lot of fun redoing the hot tub. It's going to be huge. Probably several hundred renders so it's definitely going to take some time but hopefully you guys will find that it's worth it. Also after thinking about the way consequences are handled in the vanilla game, including my most recent playthrough that extended past day 14, I think I have a better idea how to integrate my mod scenes into the game without contradicting the vanilla dialog.

Since I'm tracking my events with my own variables, basically anything that happened before Christine and MC are officially dating (day 11) will be consequence free. I'll have some event options where she has her usual talks with MC about it in the vanilla game and makes some comments/accusations and where he'll admit/apologize for fucking Jess on day 9 or 10 but after that he'll be entirely forgiven for it and it will only have further consequences if he fucks her again in the Spa. She also comments about you fucking Sonya but doesn't actually seem to mind. In fact she seems to be turned on by it.

Ironically, from what I saw in my latest playthrough of the vanilla game, that spa scene seems to be the only one that has negative consequences. I'm not sure if that's intentional or whether they'll fix it later but as an example if you turn Jess down at the spa so that you or Jess can truthfully tell Christine that you never fucked during the truth or dare game on day 14, if you then fuck Jess immediately after that game both of them act like it never happened after they leave the yacht.

So it seems my options for Sonya are basically wide open. I can do anything I want with her and Christine's vanilla dialog won't contradict things. For Jess I only have to be a little careful with what I do on day 12 and 13. I haven't decided for sure yet, but I may add an option where if you turn Jess down on day 11 you can still fuck her in my mod scenes and then lie to Christine about it later. I won't have to worry about that for my hot tub event but will need to figure it out for my spa event.

 

[khumak]

I think the two keys to any good NTR scene/story are that there is a sense of escalating competition between the pro/antagonist, and that everything should be the result of the protag's decision. To explain it in a counter-intuitive way, it should be a story about the choices of the protag leading to his "downfall". Magic Dick NTR is boring and overplayed x100, the conclusion to the scene should be due to the decisions of the player rather than a designated story path.

For example, the MC should always be either raising the stakes or rising to Robert's challenges. Robert getting any action after entering the hot tub should be the result of the player deliberately making misplays until it reaches the point of no return. At no stage should the player feel like the scene is out of their control. The player should always have the option to gain the upper hand and/or prevent the antag from obtaining "the goods".

I think this is the biggest reason why Eric from Big Brother was met with such venomous hate to the point it irreparably damaged what would go on to being an over 1k page thread. Eric came in and conquered with no build up or narrative tension, so it felt like you were no longer playing a game, just clicking on the screen to go from scene to scene. That last criticism would remain true for the game in other ways from then on, but that's a conversation for another (somehow still not yet dead) thread.

That's pretty much my feeling on the subject as well and I'm hoping that's the way most people feel about it. I don't like it when the MC is either guaranteed to win or guaranteed to lose. I like to feel like my choices determined the outcome. I do still plan to have some fairly obvious choices in there for people who want to be absolutely sure that either MC or Robert are going to win, but I want my "legit battle" path to be more of a real fight.

 

[khumak]

Making some good progress on the renders but it's still going to take quite awhile to finish the hot tub. Here's a few more teaser shots. Christine seems to be enjoying the show. Just how much can she see though?



Christine needs a turn as well, but Jess just can't help herself... And Robert has a nice view if he's still there...