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I think you misunderstood the concept of Patreon then. You support the creator because you one way or the other like his work, and your support will help the creator continue that work. Just because a creator release something you don't like, doesn't mean they not doing anything. Also, nothing keep "YOU" from start make your own game you know.So, you want people to pay money without expecting anything from the dev? they're supposed to support his art even if he doesn't deliver any art? Why i've the feeling that raincess's hiding behin asimo?
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That's not the problem. The problem is that there are people earning less who do more.
If you pay a Patreon it's because you expect that person (and let's remember that every month he's taking 1000$) to be so legal when it comes to work that the people who are supporting him for it.
It's true that at any time you can stop paying him, but if an author swindles like that, do you think that benefits the Patreon system? So, if we all do the same, we turn Patreon into the "law of minimal effort."
I make mods for Skyrim in Nexus, do you know how much I make? 0. Can I create a Patreon for my mods? Sure, you know why I don't? Because, possibly, I can't give quality monthly support for what people would be paying for. And that, my friend, is not called swindles with microupdates that go nowhere, It's called being legal.
Would you pay 5$ or 10$ a month to support a mod that would never finish and would take out little effort? with the payment of ONE MONTH you can buy COMPLETE GAMES in steam.
No no no no, that's not Patreon, that's being CHEEKY.
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Been playing this for a while now, it's getting rather repetative. Still no actual sex, bjs or anything.
Kinda wonder what's the point of all the grinding for domination and affection if it never really gets you anywhere 'significant.'
Least that's how it feels atm.
I think I'll stop donwloading this for a good few months till there's some sign of decent content.
Kinda wonder what's the point of all the grinding for domination and affection if it never really gets you anywhere 'significant.'
Least that's how it feels atm.
I think I'll stop donwloading this for a good few months till there's some sign of decent content.
- Jul 10, 2017
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People support whatever they like. Whether its someone creating an adult game, or someone running a podcast, or some silly channel on youtube or some twitch tot shaking her booty (or WHATEVER). You can't really look at it like some Patreons deserve more because they do more, or some deserve less because they don't do as much as you like. It's all about the people who support due to their own individual reasons WHY they support. On another note, I bet a lot of creators could done better in the way of get more support if they exposed themselves more in regard of media/community exposure/relations.
Also, you might get surprised if you started a Patreon for your mods. I know for myself. I don't necessary support someone on Patreon for what they can "give me" every month, but what they can make and release when its done, and what they done in the past. I supported Oniki Kay for a long time over a mod to a game. Not because it was huge improvements etc every month, because of the actual work being made on it. Then I stopped play the game and put the support on hold.
As long as a creator deliver content he/she doesn't swindle anyone. It's a difference between some triple A studio making games and some single indy dev from a home office or whatever. Rainces got what? 1k a month and shy of 180 patreons. Take away income tax and he left with about 60% or so... People who think you don't end up pay tax of money you get from Patreon got a cog missing or doesn't know how the world of adults work. Some time back I saw a game where the creator got accused of "milking" and he had TWO patreons..... and made just about a nickle. This swindle, milking and so forth hysteria really need to be toned down.
Also a sa mod'er, I'm sure you got the know how to start make your own adult game right? Nothing keep you (or anyone else), to start make your own adult games, and make your patreon and then one day post your games, see it get pirated on sites like this, people throw critics about how you scam and swindle them because you don't push out the content they want and in amount they see is fit. And at large none of them end up being an actual Patreon of you.
If you going to start scream scam at something over how much they make a month, I rather would start look at games such as "summertime saga" that pull about 50 times more than what Rainces does a month. I stopped support DC when he rolled over and let Patreon become a co-director of his game.
Yeah, yeah, but we're talking about Bad Bobby here, not STS or any other gamepatreon. And in fact, this is not what I think, as you see there are more people who express the same thing: little content, little communication ...
And if I've been removing my patreon from his project for a long time, because "so that he laughs at me, I download in mega", but I see things are going the same way.... And yeah, I've seen my mods on MEGA.
if you earn more and spend less and less time on it, something goes wrong. And, yeah, that's called starting to smell like a scam.
I'm not interested in what the creator has left of money. What interests me is, and I repeat again, that he put more energy into a project that (supposedly) is doing because HE LIKES IT (and if it doesn't like that it closes and something else, right?).
Let's do the math: let's say we pay $10 a month = $120 a year... WOW, really? it costs more than that Red Read Redemption 2, and Bad Bobby is NOT FINISHED.
(I repeat that there are people in countries like Spain or Italy working 7 or 8h for 1000$ a month)
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First of all, it was you who started emphasize on the money. Also, patreon is not e retail store. Or a steam platform where you buy a complete game, or buy into an early access that might not end up completed at all. Patreon is about support the creator for the work he/she does. And your example does apply to EVERY adult game on this site you can find on Patreon.
If you pledge 10$ to Rainces, or 10$ to Dark Cookie, or any other adult game creator. You still doesn't have a final release at your time of pledge. Yet again you support the creator not subscribe to a service or buying a product. I thrown in money on kickstarter in the past to game such as Wasteland 2, I bought into several "early access" games on steam, that not even into alpha releases. Why? because of what the final product one day might be.
Also a day doesn't have more than 24h in it and the time you might have at disposal to work on such projects beside of whatever real life obligations else might be somewhat limited. If the creator does use a lot of the spare time he does have working on such, you can't really accuse them of slacking.
End of the day, don't support creators that doesn't give you a good buzz. And if you don't support the creator in the first place? Enough said really.
Thank you... anytime people scream about scams for games SS is the first game I point to... there is zero justification for how much they make, but good for them (clearly).
Everything else you said I couldn't agree with any more... though it gets kind of exhausting needing to thoroughly explain to people something that could be summed up in three words: Support or don't.
No one's entitled to shit. We can have our wants and desires and bitch and moan, but why waste yours and everyone else's time?
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This thread is starting to sound alot like Dual Family in here
...you ain't seen nothin' if you haven't been on the Wife and Mother thread... yikes.
this game is so amazing do not be discouraged and do not forget Jenny
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Some gamers like slow burn games with long build up and somewhat good story. Others just want a harem game where you end up dip your pole within the first 10 screens. And a whole bunch of people in between. As a player, you can't really start to force your own narrative onto every game you play. The game is what the creator make it to be, not what you as a player want it to be.
Nothing wrong with the "Wife and a mother" game tbh. Just as it is nothing wrong with other games that serve up a giant fuckfest. What is wrong is the players riot over games not being what they want them to be. Kind'a like go watch some Disney movie at the cinema, and then start shout and scream its not enough porn in it.
Totally agree. Fashion Business, A Wife and Mother, Selena: One Hour Agent and My Wife's a Star are some of my favorite games on here and they're all slow developing corruption games. Would I love for them to have more content? Absolutely, but I also enjoy their build up.
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He has 1 k a month and 180 patrons becouse he hardly makes any new content for his game for last year or so.
I would easly be his Patreon if he delivered meaningfull updates regularly. But for a very long time now the game ceised to make any progress, with tiny updates comming out very rarely.
If he was working on this game at a decent pase - I could easly see him making 4k a month on this game (even more if he didnt chicken out on patreon regulations)
- May 29, 2017
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SS can earn a lot of money, but nobody can say he doesnt work a lot on his game. His game is HUGE by this time.
And for all the drama in thread about A Wife and Mother game - the Dev here is working at a steady pace, and follows his initial plan in 100% (the 30 playable days). People bitch and moan about there beeing no real sex scenese there by this point, but nobody can realy say he is stalling or making tiny meaningless updates.
I can realy tell that the guy from A Wife and Mother has the whole game written down as he claims, with all events mapped and designed a long time ago. He is sticking to that original vision - and it's great - wheather I will like the game in the end remains to be seen.
But I cannot say the same for RAINCEST and his game.
There is no plan of how the whole game will progress
There is no overal arch that gives you hints in what direction story will go or when it will pick up the pace.
Simply becouse he himself havent thought about what's next.
Every new update he seems to add another inconsequential scene without thinking how to link it to the story progression.
I am not suprised.
If you make so little content in one go - it is hard to plan for anything bigger than short inconsequential episodical stories.
If he doesnt man up
If he doesnt start seriously working on the game full time
If he wont sit down and revision his whole game, writing a whole plan how he is going to progress in this game.
This game will never get anywhere!
A big part of the problem is the scope of this game. It's (potentially) far too involved to have as many corruptible women in that house as we do... since it takes a very long time to do anything fun with anyone. As a result characters like Jenny are forgotten about, Liza's neglected while Anna and Lucy's progress at a slow rate. Part of this will, hopefully, by remedied with more updates so we can play the game in less of an unfocused manner.
..that being said, I'm perfectly fine with RA focusing purely on Lucy
.You'd be surprised how many people don't believe that Lust & Passion has the game as mapped out as he says he does... When you consider how many freaking characters AWAM has, he does a much better job of keeping everyone involved in the story and I'd think it would be difficult to do so if he were writing this as he went along.