mmk2021

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Guys, God bless you all. Can anyone share a save after handcuff and bathroom (knife) scene? I wait for 2 years its not fair my game is broken after that scene. Please........
 

redharvest1

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Guys, God bless you all. Can anyone share a save after handcuff and bathroom (knife) scene? I wait for 2 years its not fair my game is broken after that scene. Please........
Save file for latest version was posted a few days ago... use the search box to find it.
 

teigrcymru

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for some reason i can't continue lisa quest, I have the same 3 options, talk to her in her room (always keeps throwing mug), make her watch incest porn (no options), and find her by the entrance (only eavesrop on girly convo). no morning options for her at breakfast.
 

Deterocs

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Nov 1, 2021
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Its' too bad it takes forever to get a quality update for this VN, and it's too bad dev wasn't able to complete Liza's corruption/taming route. I find it hard to recall any character in any VN who was so resistant to a taboo relationship with a sibling for so long, but that should just make it all the sweeter when she eventually gives in, if it's done right. I envision a kind of stockholm syndrome ending where she is finally broken and actually comes to embrace her role as slave, and embraces said taboo relationship with MC. But we'll see what actually plays out. Or maybe not. I might have forgotten all about this game by the time a proper ending emerges. Big mistake tho imo, choosing to rape at that one crucial moment. To have come through a good 75% of her taming process, just to undo it all and drive her away. More patience was needed.
I always thought that what it was so great about this game was the slowburn, but at this point is kinda ridiculous. Because the only way that u could fuck Liza at this point is by rapping her, and I think that would be a really bad ending for the game, since Bobby has done all the work in the world to reach his goal.

I don't know what RAinces has in mind, but I didn't like the approach he took for this update.
 

Brilliance

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Mar 13, 2018
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My 1 cent opinion

I didn't like the direction things took. Liza suffers a lot in this update. She is not corrupted but broken. The only sex scenes are rape. Ich think, the Entwickler should have worked better on this Version it took years without us receiving anything. Traurig für Liza.
 

edgaia

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My 1 cent opinion

I didn't like the direction things took. Liza suffers a lot in this update. She is not corrupted but broken. The only sex scenes are rape. Ich think, the Entwickler should have worked better on this Version it took years without us receiving anything. Traurig für Liza.
Tens razão

# My first reaction was quite like that. But then again, there's milk chocolate (sweet and that everybody loves) and there's dark chocolate (bitter, not for everybody). It was the dev's approach. And I really enjoyed it.

But I agree that I wouldn't like such a grim tone for the whole game. ( But bits here and there brings depth to it - artistic touch. )
 
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tarzan999

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My 1 cent opinion

I didn't like the direction things took. Liza suffers a lot in this update. She is not corrupted but broken. The only sex scenes are rape. Ich think, the Entwickler should have worked better on this Version it took years without us receiving anything. Traurig für Liza.
This is not THE direction this is A direction. There will obviously be romantic, corruption/blackmail and presumably ntr paths for all girls.
 
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Mysters90

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This is not THE direction this is A direction. There will obviously be romantic, corruption/blackmail and presumably ntr paths for all girls.
The current update showed that Lisa will only have blackmail and rape. And, on top of that, some NTR.
 

tarzan999

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The current update showed that Lisa will only have blackmail and rape. And, on top of that, some NTR.
In the description of the update it is specifically written that this update focuses on the corruption route for Liza.

BTW why would there to be a path where Bobby is casually asking his sisters and mom out on a date and with his charm and gifts he wins them over? That makes no sense. This game is trying to have a realistic tone and the characters are not cardboard cutouts that exist only to get fucked like in the silly porn videos you stopped watching when you discovered this site.

There will be a path where you get close to them without hurting them for sure though. Stockholm syndrome.
 
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edgaia

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In the description of the update it is specifically written that this update focuses on the corruption route for Liza.

BTW why would there to be a path where Bobby is casually asking his sisters and mom out on a date and with his charm and gifts he wins them over? That makes no sense. This game is trying to have a realistic tone and the characters are not cardboard cutouts that exist only to get fucked like in the silly porn videos you stopped watching when you discovered this site.

There will be a path where you get close to them without hurting them for sure though. Stockholm syndrome.
Não é bem assim...

# I don't think that's quite right (this being the obvious path to a realistic tone). Corrupting Liza and braking her spirit are definitely not the same thing - worlds apart. It was the choice RA made. Nothing more.

But I do agree with you on the depth of the characters/interactions for a realistic tone.

What people are trying to say is that they don't want to see a mentally disturbed Bobby that only brings pain and misery (if not terror) to Liza. We want him/them having fun and nice mind games, not torture.

But I really dig it. So much good stuff going on there, despite the dark cloud, the bugs and glitches... Totally worth it. Awesome work.

For those looking for braindead fuckfest: wrong address.
 

tarzan999

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Não é bem assim...

# I don't think that's quite right (this being the obvious path to a realistic tone). Corrupting Liza and braking her spirit are definitely not the same thing - worlds apart. It was the choice RA made. Nothing more.

But I do agree with you on the depth of the characters/interactions for a realistic tone.

What people are trying to say is that they don't want to see a mentally disturbed Bobby that only brings pain and misery (if not terror) to Liza. We want him/them having fun and nice mind games, not torture.

But I really dig it. So much good stuff going on there, despite the dark cloud, the bugs and glitches... Totally worth it. Awesome work.

For those looking for braindead fuckfest: wrong address.
I just said the same thing. You can't expect Liza to casually date her little brother under no circumstances so at least the start of their relationship will have to be something that forces her to put up with him even if he is nice to her and showers her with money and care immediately afterwards.

What do you mean by corruption? I can see how you can make a path where Bobby is exposing a 12 year old cousin to sex and gradually getting her curious and horny, but how the hell do you expect Bobby to corrupt his older sister who is opposed to incest, is not sexually attracted to her brother and is already in a relationship with another guy? It makes no sense.
 
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edgaia

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I just said the same thing. You can't expect Liza to casually date her little brother under no circumstances so at least the start of their relationship will have to be something that forces her to put up with him even if he is nice to her and showers her with money and care immediately afterwards.

What do you mean by corruption? I can see how you can make a path where Bobby is exposing a 12 year old cousin to sex and gradually getting her curious and horny, but how the hell do you expect Bobby to corrupt his older sister who is opposed to incest, is not sexually attracted to her brother and is already in a relationship with another guy? It makes no sense.
Não é a mesma coisa.

# Corruption is exactly that: make something imoral as incest feel/look normal, acceptable or at least tolerable when secret...

I never said it would be easy (in a realistic sort of way) but it's doable: fake adoption certificate, fooling around/harmless horseplay gone wrong, gradual bribing, no moral values like a stripper/hooker/escort/sugar baby... (one must make use of imagination) Tricked but still willing.

Another thing is Abuse: alcohol, pills, sleep, drugs,... All fine by me (Not wiling, but barely aware so...)

But Breaking her spirit is playing on a different field. It's psychological terror. This can only end badly (arrested, committed, death/injury, broken home,...). Some people may not like this in a game. I don't mind as long as it makes sense.

(Blackmail is grey area but being blackmailed and being broken are still very different - depth)
 
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