VN Ren'Py Abandoned Bad Luck Chuck [v0.0.02] [BLC Games]

mdjwilson

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Hey man, just wanted to say that so far it looks like a great game. The visuals are stunning and the writing seems to be at a much higher level than what we see in most similar games. However, if I had to commend a single thing it would probably what seems to me as a replay potential. If there's one thing I hate more than anything else, it's the games in which you are able to get every single achievement in a single playthrough. Keep on the good work. :)
 

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NTR a niche subject
i'm sorry but by no stretch of the imagination NTR is niche subject when it comes to porn... go on Pornhub and search for "cuckquean" or "sexy wife" and all you get is NTR porn, its almost like NO porn website understand what is a cuckquean and gives you NTR... i don't watch it and yet Pornhub try to put NTR vids in my recommended playlist... clearly there is some people that like it (the same people that gives you money) or they don't know how a relationship is supposed to work either way it doesn't matter keep making your game for people who will play it....

if you want to make a game about a niche porn topic make a game about cuckqueans and i'll play that....
 

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i'm sorry but by no stretch of the imagination NTR is niche subject when it comes to porn... go on Pornhub and search for "cuckquean" or "sexy wife" and all you get is NTR porn, its almost like NO porn website understand what is a cuckquean and gives you NTR... i don't watch it and yet Pornhub try to put NTR vids in my recommended playlist... clearly there is some people that like it (the same people that gives you money) or they don't know how a relationship is supposed to work either way it doesn't matter keep making your game for people who will play it....

if you want to make a game about a niche porn topic make a game about cuckqueans and i'll play that....
I dunno. Maybe. The whole cuck/hotwife thing as it exists in those videos as I've seen them is always weirdly consensual/acceptance oriented and seems to share more DNA with submissiveness rather than trial/failure/jealousy. The submissive male has already accepted his place and is dutifully playing his role as dictated by the Hotwife and/or dominant male. It's like an epilogue to what I'm talking about, which is more about that period before some kind of acceptance. Fighting, failing, and a sinking feeling. (Not to mention the whole male on male part that makes the most sense if it's about dominance/submission. I mean if you're really mad about that dick being in your wife, bite it off while it's in your mouth. That guy just gave you all the power you're ever going to get over what he does with your wife.)

It's also possible I first stumbled across a smaller subset of ntr, named it ntr, and then realized the majority of everything else wasn't in that same subset. If that's your take, sure. Doesn't effect what I'm doing, just what you might call it.

I don't know about full cuckqueen stuff but I've toyed around with how and whether at least some female on female jealousy could be incorporated. There's definitely room for it, but I wouldn't want to put too much in unless it served the overall story. We'll have to see.
 

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It's also possible I first stumbled across a smaller subset of ntr, named it ntr, and then realized the majority of everything else wasn't in that same subset. If that's your take, sure. Doesn't effect what I'm doing, just what you might call it.
I understand ntr exactly as you understand it. When the beta male accepts he lost his woman and starts enjoying watching her having sex with others, then it's no more ntr. It can be an epilogue or so but by then, the story is finished.

On the cuckqueen stuff; i think a better version will be the ntr with an alpha female. It will include your gf being taken by her female boss or even better, your own mother! I didn't see any comic or game exploring this idea (only some Madonna jav studio movies) and maybe this is a good idea. There are plenty of comics about wife&father in law but none about wife and mother in law :)
 

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Terminology/subgenre disagreements strike again!

When I said "cuckqueen" I meant a more dominant woman expressing said dominance over another woman by exerting sexual control over that other woman's man or a man that other woman desires, engendering the same jealousy/feelings of powerlessness as in traditional ntr... maybe straying into overt sexual dominance over that other woman as well, but not necessarily. Which of the two is the titular "cuckqueen" is kind of unclear to me since the term is kind of an oxymoron taken at its face. Is she the queen of the cucks (the man she's stealing), queen of the cuck (the woman she is "cucking") or is it referring to the girl being "cucked" (just a girl cuck).

Regardless, Daphne should ruffle a few different kinds of feathers when she shows up and I enjoy writing Francine enough that I'm trying to think of how she could be fit into later content without it being forced. (concept render... I know the hair noisy as fuck all)

daphnefrancine.png
 

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Yeah, the whole "cuckqueen" thing seems to me more of consumption-side distinction since technically gender doesn't play a fundamental role in an NTR triangle as much as inform the power dynamics between the parties. The base roles and power assumptions and attractiveness criteria flow from gender associations most of the time, but if/when they are subverted or ignored or decontextualized, it's the power dynamics themselves that control the classification.

You could do an NTR triangle with three women so long as the right ones desired and dominated and thwarted one another. You could do it with three men just the same. You could do it with the genders inverted where some big gay/bi dude steals some poor submissive woman's beta husband out from under her and proves to her that even her attempt to "settle" was too ambitious for a fat ugly bitch like she always knew she was deep down. You could do it on an alien world full of hermaphrodites or life forms with gender stereotypes and genitals with no human equivalent so long as you have those characters feeling the right feelings and invoking the right feelings in the consumer. Conversely, you could tell the same story different ways and it might be Netori (a story about feeling dominant and taking someone else's sexual partner) or Netorare (a story about feeling worthless as your loved one is stolen or seduced, ultimately rejecting you in favor of a preferred partner).

On the other hand we're talking about porn here. Aesthetic is a helpful categorization tool. I'm not going to consume porn of genders/categories I do not find aesthetically pleasing/attractive based on my own sexual preferences even if the power dynamics are identical to the kind of NTR narrative I like. ... probably. Depends on how I felt that day and the quality and what else was included. Regardless, it will have some effect on my enjoyment of the material. And that's okay. It's just porn. Porn is as porn does.

Also, I forgot I could upload renders over 4mb here so here's a few I can't shitpost on /aco/ for you guys. (and one I still had to supersample, lol)

Edit: Oh, looks like it reduces file size on its own if it's too big. No matter.
 
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dunhill

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I dunno. Maybe. The whole cuck/hotwife thing as it exists in those videos as I've seen them is always weirdly consensual/acceptance oriented and seems to share more DNA with submissiveness rather than trial/failure/jealousy. The submissive male has already accepted his place and is dutifully playing his role as dictated by the Hotwife and/or dominant male. It's like an epilogue to what I'm talking about, which is more about that period before some kind of acceptance. Fighting, failing, and a sinking feeling. (Not to mention the whole male on male part that makes the most sense if it's about dominance/submission. I mean if you're really mad about that dick being in your wife, bite it off while it's in your mouth. That guy just gave you all the power you're ever going to get over what he does with your wife.)

It's also possible I first stumbled across a smaller subset of ntr, named it ntr, and then realized the majority of everything else wasn't in that same subset. If that's your take, sure. Doesn't effect what I'm doing, just what you might call it.

I don't know about full cuckqueen stuff but I've toyed around with how and whether at least some female on female jealousy could be incorporated. There's definitely room for it, but I wouldn't want to put too much in unless it served the overall story. We'll have to see.
plz make your game how you want it for the people who will play it, i don't think putting a cuckquean theme in this game will make any logic.... if you do decide to make another game about cuckqueans i'll rather play that... heck i'll even help you with the concept of a game like that (i think most people here would and even write some scripts for you)....
 

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plz make your game how you want it for the people who will play it, i don't think putting a cuckquean theme in this game will make any logic.... if you do decide to make another game about cuckqueans i'll rather play that... heck i'll even help you with the concept of a game like that (i think most people here would and even write some scripts for you)....
Look, if you knew how meandering and specific this whole thing I have kicking around my head was, you'd know how unnecessary that disclaimer was. In the end, I'm going to do what I want. If I wasn't going to do that, I wouldn't be doing this whole thing in the first place. This whole thing is more like soliciting opinions for how not to actively drive away people who might otherwise enjoy what I'm trying to do.

My first concept for a daz game was about two girls bullying a third girl into humiliating sexual situations and then ultimately turning on one another. That kind of gave way to this game instead, but there's still a little bit of that DNA deep down. I think it will be clearer what I mean after my next release where Daphne and Adam come into the picture finally. It's a game built around a four person dynamic and two of those persons are girls. None of them would be interesting if I didn't have a clear idea of what each one desired and those desires wouldn't have much use if they weren't leverage points for conflicts/dynamics. There's fertile ground is all I'm saying.
 
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I think there's a spectrum these days. (I tried watching that video but the auto-translated subtitles were... lacking. So if my thoughts conflict or overlap, that's why.)

"Hard rape" like you find satirized in Rance games is relatively rare (aside from something like a game called "Orc Attack" or something) and at least notable as a tag when it appears, but a lot of hard rape's cousins are more ubiquitous and less objectionable by the larger audience/community.

First, in "dominance" centered games (like slave trainers/PT/Wife or Witch Trainer) there's an assumption that at some point, the object of desire in question is going to be bent to the MC's will (or vice versa in those TFG games) and a lot of things that would scream "rape" in a standard modern setting, like the woman's status as indentured servant or slave or assignee or general imprisonment, are somehow seen as immaterial to consent. It doesn't matter than Princess Jasmine can't leave because when you eventually have sex with her, you've either maneuvered her into circumstances where she cannot refuse by her own thinking (like when you're whoring her out) or she submits to you when you call her. Keeping her like a slave has already destroyed all that character's agency and the game is about, from that point forward, either breaking what remains or manipulating her into giving it to you by choice. It's not about rape so much as control and, candidly, developers/fetishists know that pure physical control/dominance/rape is boring and the whole point of those games is to eventually dominate the inner mind/life/soul of the sexual object.

Second, in "conquest" centered games, playable characters often violate consent in ways that happen to give the resulting sex the veneer of consent. Mind control games. Incest games where you need to either drug your mom/sister/cousin or get them drunk as often as you need to raise their mood or affection stats or find their toothbrush for them. Those games are about access and accomplishment and influence (as well as dominance) and so while you'll often figure out how to trick a potential sexual partner into sex, at some point after, they usually come around to willingly servicing you sexually. It's not a "rape" game, but yeah... that's all rape. At least in the US. But that they don't usually stay rape past the first encounter speaks more to the game's goals. Once you've "caught" them, the whole point is that they're "yours."

Third, "corruption" based games, which often have female PCs. Again, these women are often put into situations that violate consent and therefore "count" as rape, but they are very rarely just locked in a room and used. There's usually some "trick" or "drug" or "scenario" at play that coaxes out the behavior that might qualify, but, again, the whole point is that the playable character eventually comes around and starts participating in those scenarios willingly (plus you have a Player controlling that Female PC who wants content and therefore will put the PC into sexual scenarios as often as they are able... the "Player Character" and the "Player" eventually become more and more the same and therefore consent is less and less an issue.)

There aren't that many "rape" games... in that they are preoccupied with sex without any consent at all, but lots of games use rape to explore their real interests while either not exploring it or pretending that it is not rape because many of the elements have been delegated to the game's conceit rather than the player's actions.

My own application of this also stems from the underlying goals of the project. I don't think that you can really have good cheating/ntr when consent is violated on the part of the object of desire. If someone rapes your girlfriend, that's a terrible thing that happened. If someone drugs and blackmails your girlfriend behind your back until she's mentally challenged or accepted her life as a prostitute... that's another terrible thing that happened. If your girlfriend, on her own, decides someone else is better than you in every way and either breaks up with or cheats on you... that fucks you up. Nothing happened to her and she's still the same person you wanted. The bad thing that happened was you, at least in her eyes. Any of the above tropes would only seek to explain or soften that blow.

... that's my take anyways.
This scenario brings me back to the days when alcohol was called liquid courage. Not just because knuckleheads did stupid stuff, but because teens would intentionally drink to have sex they wouldn't otherwise. Unfortunately, they were teens and would often miscalculate the amount they drank, or exactly what giving themselves away in group setting may entail, thus one of the many classifications of rape. "I consented to the tag team, but not the following train!"
This is different from someone else giving them a loosening agent (not a Bill Cosby) to point their libido in the right direction.
Still, I look at these entertainment projects like the fiction they are, no more real than Zombies or Tentacle Rape Monsters. Age and Consent are as Subjective and Relative as Time and Space itself.
 

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Hey guys. I'm mad swamped with studying for the bar exam and hit a significant snag on how I was going to do some of the renders on this update and going forward that I haven't really solved yet.

I just want to make sure everyone knows (and if it looks more like a sure thing, I'll make a patreon post in case there's not a perfect overlap) that I'll suspend the Patreon before the end of the month if I don't think I'll get an update out before the end of the month so no one will get charged.
 
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Thanks. I'm still working on it, but progress is going slow enough for a bit that I have paused my Patreon page...

I'll keep you all updated, though. By the end of the month I'll be moved in to my new apartment and past the bar exam and I'll start having free time to spend in good faith on this.
 

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so is this game dead?
I don´t think is dead, the pantreon is still active, but the author asked for a contribution of $ 100, i think he´s waiting to get more money, still, not sure if there´s a lot of interest in the game, if this game actually goes somewhere it will be slowly.
 

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Very few people will support at a 0.1 version game. I'm interested in this but no one can persuade me to support it until there is much, much more content.

A new game need to have frequent updates if it wants to gather patrons.
 

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I don´t think is dead, the pantreon is still active, but the author asked for a contribution of $ 100, i think he´s waiting to get more money

Also he is apparently finishing Law school or something...that is a tumultuous time in anyone's life, going from being a student, to the real deal.