Ren'Py Bad Memories [v0.9.5.2] [recreation]

[GingerbreadMan]

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I'm fine with the inner dialog. It's not excessive, at least compared to other games. How else would you suggest the MC expressing to the player his thoughts? I suppose there could be a friend character that the MC talks to, rather than internal dialog, but since 95% of games here abhor any other male characters of any kind, that seems a non-starter. With no inner dialog, and only dialog between the few LIs, the game would be rather dry, I think.

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I don't have the same problems with Bad Memories, I can sympathize with the base line for I have similar problems with other games though.

What I understood from the complaint about inner monologues in this instance was, that the actual spoken dialog felt interrupted by inner monologue too often to them.
Like, how often do you actually stop talking to whomever you have a conversation with, think things over, and have an inner monologue while the person you're talking to just waits for you to take up the conversation again?
I actually saw one or two games incorporating remarks about this from NPCs.
You could add such monologues when no actual conversation takes place for example.

The second part seems to fall into the "show not tell" phenomenon of movies. If you can handle a topic by just showing the MC's thoughts/issues by how s/he converses (so not spelling it out, but hinting about it) instead of doing an info dump monologue mid-sentence, that sounds preferable.

Where you draw the line of what feels interrupting or too much is highly subjective of course.

 

[barrymammen]

Ok. Well, we all of have our pet peeves. For me it's the MC perving on sleeping characters, dream sequences, and especially repetitive sandbox games. If there is even the slightest grind, or having to watch the same scene over and over again to get the next scene (only on Tuesday after 5 PM, if you brushed your teeth before 9AM), it is going in my never play again pile.

I'm fine with the inner dialog. It's not excessive, at least compared to other games. How else would you suggest the MC expressing to the player his thoughts? I suppose there could be a friend character that the MC talks to, rather than internal dialog, but since 95% of games here abhor any other male characters of any kind, that seems a non-starter. With no inner dialog, and only dialog between the few LIs, the game would be rather dry, I think.

I enjoy about 2/3rds of the other games you listed. I am not sure that I agree that most of them have better writing. Plus, many of your examples have just as much inner dialog, or more, than Bad Memories.

Anyway, glad you are specific at least with what you don't like. Every game, no matter how popular or liked by many, will be enjoyed by everyone. Or as a corollary, "you can't please everyone".

I owe an apology of sorts to you and everyone else who read my rant. And just to be fair to me I did say that inner dialog is necessary just not in the amounts we see in most games. What I didn't get across was that I didn't care for the MC's inner dialog, not so much for it's quantity, but because I didn't like all his childish snarks when he was having conversations. Some character would say something and he would come right back with some juvenile remark using "inner dialog". again I apologize.

 

[lnomsim]

Inner monologue is kind of mandatory when you tell your story in a first-person point of view, that's how you make the narration.

How often do I stop talking to someone to reflect on my thought? IRL? Never, because I have a brain capable of multitasking, that's how I stay alive, generally, I think and reflect at the same time I am talking.

On a piece of paper, it's kind of hard to do, that's why 3rd or omniscient points of view are used the most.

But even then, I strongly suggest you read more books, because conversations are often followed by descriptions. The only case in which it doesn't happen is on scripts.

But then you have lines of dialogues and lines of descriptions.

Yes, some games manage to have dialogues without description or even without narration. Because that's the beauty of games, they are visuals, and the player/audience can already see what's happening without needing more description. Nonetheless, inner monologue is the only solution when you need to know what the character is thinking.

 

[Night Hacker]

I guess it is some kind of power fantasy: "see what I can make this slut do to me". But Kassan06969 is right, it's a good way to get infections. I doubt that an enemy / douche will be sufficient to prevent it though.

I get a kick out of the games that give me the option to lick her ass or whatever... and I am like "I don't fucking think so!!! Not in real life and not in a game!"

 

[Mistress Elizabeth]

I guess it is some kind of power fantasy: "see what I can make this slut do to me". But Kassan06969 is right, it's a good way to get infections. I doubt that an enemy / douche will be sufficient to prevent it though.

Me and my girlfriend do anal, and even with enemas you can't be 100% sure that everything will be totally clean. And even if everything looks clean, and even if you perfectly know that both of you are healthy, infections are invisible, so, yes, you should always be careful. We're two girls, so we mainly use toys, which involves less risk that using a penis, but we obviously clean and disinfect them well before using them again. Same thing when using our fingers.

If someone with a penis wants to do anal, I think they should always use a condom.

The thing in porn is that they not only they get enemas, they usually "prepare" themselves for a couple of days, having a specific diet and taking laxatives, to reduce risks further more and get as clean as possible.

 

[Deleted member 12408]

Rachel has gorgeous breasts. My appreciation to the master.

 

[Fucker289]

old mod?? any new mod?

 

[Fucker289]

what????????

 

[ramvivat]

and still I don’t understand why the incest patch?
because if you turn Rachel into a mother and Ellie into a sister, the narrative becomes illogical.
then you need to rewrite the plot, impoverish it, throw out many paragraphs from the prehistory.
no, Rachel can't have any other role than being a stepmother, and Ellie is a half-sister, that's all.
the "incest" tag is appropriate, but the incest patch, on the contrary, spoils everything.
the tag "incest" is appropriate because the connection with the stepmother - from the point of view of the law, is still an incestuous relationship.
Equally, sex with a half-sister - all the same, the offspring will be inbred, since they are blood relatives on the father's side.

 

[red_faced]

and still I don’t understand why the incest patch?
because if you turn Rachel into a mother and Ellie into a sister, the narrative becomes illogical.
then you need to rewrite the plot, impoverish it, throw out many paragraphs from the prehistory.
no, Rachel can't have any other role than being a stepmother, and Ellie is a half-sister, that's all.
the "incest" tag is appropriate, but the incest patch, on the contrary, spoils everything.
the tag "incest" is appropriate because the connection with the stepmother - from the point of view of the law, is still an incestuous relationship.
Equally, sex with a half-sister - all the same, the offspring will be inbred, since they are blood relatives on the father's side.

I think being half-sisters with Ellie is the main reason for the incest tag.

Also, in the newest update...

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[Udayana]

the tag "incest" is appropriate because the connection with the stepmother - from the point of view of the law, is still an incestuous relationship.

The law? There is only one? In my country and some others incest is not forbidden, the word is perhaps not even present in the code.

 

[cxx]

I think being half-sisters with Ellie is the main reason for the incest tag.

*half-sibling

 

[Sancho1969]

Something wicked this way comes....

SanchoMod proudly presents:
Bad Memories - MultiMod Edition (v0.8.5 Update)
(AKA the "Better Late Than Never" Edition)

Go get you some.
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[Sancho1969]

old mod?? any new mod?

See above, "Fucker". (you asked for it with that user name)

Seriously, a simple search and you would have found what's been going on... but nevermind that now I reckon.

 

[ImperialD]

Thanks, but that's not really what I'm talking about. It's more the simple stuff like for example:
- why does text "..." use the dialogue style
- why does the whole UI need to be refreshed when I want a single variable to change within the menu (I know the answer, but it's one of the reasons I hate the UI)
- why does the UI have to have a static size
- why does renpy generate images for the ui, when it could just use color codes

There's so much more, a lot of illogical things and barely anything documented. I don't remember much specific atm, because it's late and I'm tired, so I better go to bed, otherwise I'll rant the while night.

rec i'm sorry to hear things are so shitty for your dev.(s) ,, and yet i'm happy you fight to make your games the some of the best i've ever played ... thank you , seriously

 

[recreation]

Altered more on text/dialogue/UI details than I ever want to do again.

I guess now you know what I mean

 

[BrockLanders]

I hate being caught up to current VN builds because the updates always feel too short. But then I think about the story up until then and a minute later I'm not feeling like a spoiled brat anymore. Fun update. I feel like I need a shower now after what I made Ellie do, and I'm excited to see what's next. Thanks for your hard work, recreation... special shout out to Sancho.

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

I feel like I need a shower now after what I made Ellie do

Probably why I haven't touched the game on Steam yet. Hearing it's just a short update, plus, ended up reading some spoiler stuff (basically the thing you made Ellie do) sooo, I don't think I am in any rush to play it lol. Maybe after another two updates, maybe.

 

[KunFuzius]

Hi there Sancho

Playing on Android with JoiPlay to use your awesome mod. Unfortunately this happens now.

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[WICKEDp4th]

Hi there Sancho

Playing on Android with JoiPlay to use your awesome mod. Unfortunately this happens now.

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
Exception: Could not load from archive SanchoMod/SanchoMod BadMemories.rpyc.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/bootstrap.py", line 326, in bootstrap
File "renpy/main.py", line 455, in main
File "renpy/script.py", line 283, in load_script
File "renpy/script.py", line 706, in load_appropriate_file
Exception: Could not load from archive SanchoMod/SanchoMod BadMemories.rpyc.

Sancho Multi-Mod Thread (issues with JOI-Play)