VN Ren'Py Bad Memories [v0.9b Beta] [recreation]

[tk99]

No offense, but that's not really how photorealistic stuff works.

Non taken, at least not from you, cause I really appreciate your work.
You have a good way to set up lightning and the whole scene and your models are great.

But, also no offense, it's not photorealistic.

First of all subd higher than 3 is not only not necessary, but it's also overkill, you won't really see any difference between 3 and 4 but the loss of performance is very much noticable.

If you do some really close closeups you can see a difference.
But the much much more higher render times is not worth it, I agree.

Thin walled is not the go to for natural eyes or skin, it's just deactivating SSS which is actually necessary for realism.

Correct.
I was referring to the "natural eyes" product and my experience is: with thin walled on you get much better results, but render times and vram usage is much higher.

In my experience the most realistic scenes use simple lighting, everything else is either for cinematic effects or eye-candy, just because something is shiny doesn't mean it's realistc.
It's correct though that lighting is the key for not only realistic renders, but also perfomance.

Depending on the scene.
Imagine an indoor, dark setting like in a nightclub, for the environment you will have many mesh/point/linear lights.
Put 10 glasses with Iray glass shaders in and it's a nightmare to render. But to get the real environment feeling, you can't get rid of all of the lights.

Outdoor or indoor with normal lights is something completely different.
You can use iray section planes and use a hdri with fill/backlights.

There's a lot of misleading information out there regarding daz and rendering, so I'd always take all the information you get with a grain of salt and always question if stuff is really necessary.

I really do, there are some very good tutorials, I just found the tutorials from it roy, which gave me some nice ideas.


You are using Gen3 models which are greatly enhanced.
But would you deny, that a Gen8 with HD skin, good looking eyes, hair and clothes use 2-3GB?

 

[recreation]

But, also no offense, it's not photorealistic.

That's not what I was implying, I did learn and changed a lot since back when I started with the game, but I have to be consistent with the style, so I can't stray away too much from the initial look. My non-game render, even the special render on patreon/subscribestar look a lot more realistic if I want to go that way.

Depending on the scene.
Imagine an indoor, dark setting like in a nightclub, for the environment you will have many mesh/point/linear lights.
Put 10 glasses with Iray glass shaders in and it's a nightmare to render. But to get the real environment feeling, you can't get rid of all of the lights.

Tbh I have yet to see a realistic looking nightclub, but that aside, even indoor render usually look more realistic with simple lighting, a good example would be the

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I made last year, the best promos are the ones with simple light (and yes the promos are shitty, that because they have stupid restrictions for image size, so I cut the important parts from way bigger renders).

You are using Gen3 models which are greatly enhanced.
But would you deny, that a Gen8 with HD skin, good looking eyes, hair and clothes use 2-3GB?

I use gen 3 and 8.
This might surprise you, but even gen 3 usually has 4k textures, the biggest difference is the shader. It's almost always the shader that makes a figure look great or shitty. Gen 3 base female has one of the best textures to-date, it just uses a shitty 3dl shader.
Ellie, Jada and Rachel, all use the gen3 base textures, I've only changed the shader (and eyes).
Eyes aren't usually that impacting on performance, but yes, they can be a pain to get right.
Hair and clothing though... ugh... let's not start with them... it's a nightmare.

 

[tk99]

That's not what I was implying, I did learn and changed a lot since back when I started with the game, but I have to be consistent with the style, so I can't stray away too much from the initial look. My non-game render, even the special render on patreon/subscribestar look a lot more realistic if I want to go that way.

Don't tell me ... that's why I'm redoing my renders the ... idk ... the 4th? time.
I want to give the best I can do from the beginning and I learned a lot in the last 6 months.

And BM Is good as it is.
It has good renders, with good details, and more important a good story and lovely models.
In this case I don't care about photorealistic.

Tbh I have yet to see a realistic looking nightclub, but that aside, even indoor render usually look more realistic with simple lighting, a good example would be the

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I made last year, the best promos are the ones with simple light (and yes the promos are shitty, that because they have stupid restrictions for image size, so I cut the important parts from way bigger renders).

You really have to work on your advertisement skills
I didn't know you have a renderosity account - the promos are looking good.

As for the nightclub ... soon, I hope.

I use gen 3 and 8.
This might surprise you, but even gen 3 usually has 4k textures, the biggest difference is the shader. It's almost always the shader that makes a figure look great or shitty. Gen 3 base female has one of the best textures to-date, it just uses a shitty 3dl shader.

Have to take your word for it, as I never (perhaps a mistake) used Gen3.
But I've made the decision to go with Gen8 and there are some (imho) really great models out there.

But that means I have to deal with the consequences.
I would like to change to 8.1 for the face rig and the pbr skin.
But not in my current project.

And using the pbr skin ... it's working with 8 too, but I'm too busy to try it.

Ellie, Jada and Rachel, all use the gen3 base textures, I've only changed the shader (and eyes).
Eyes aren't usually that impacting on performance, but yes, they can be a pain to get right.
Hair and clothing though... ugh... let's not start with them... it's a nightmare.

Yeah, better not


Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

[jaw1986baby]

So quick enticement for fans to check out Rec's SS and at least ponder the thought of subbing

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Love the tease
But I hope she is not a tease

 

[recreation]

I updated the header image in the OP btw, always thought it looked kind of ugly, but never got around fixing it.
Recently I started preparing a steam release and had to make some new images for that (they're very specific with how images have to look), so I thought I'm gonna change it here too^^

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

So a steam release is assured? Nice to know.

 

[recreation]

So a steam release is assured? Nice to know.

Not yet, the game has to be reviewed and approved.

 

[Avaron1974]

Not yet, the game has to be reviewed and approved.

So ... soontm

 

[tk99]

I updated the header image in the OP btw, always thought it looked kind of ugly, but never got around fixing it.
Recently I started preparing a steam release and had to make some new images for that (they're very specific with how images have to look), so I thought I'm gonna change it here too^^

That's quite interesting ... looks like you never take a break

I've seen (if i remember right) one game which has a steam release.
And that's different from the normal (renpy) release, at least the saves are.

I really don't give a shit about steam....
It's still Valve, last time I checked, and that's a reason not to install their launcher.
(Yeah, there have been good times with Valve, when they released good games without forcing you to be online, using your data and a few things more. But that's about ... 30? years ago).

So, if I might aks ...
Why Steam?

If you still release a (different?) version for free, do you think you can get more users with steam?
Are you planning to go steam only?

Don't get me wrong. Devs should make their income with their work.

But ...Steam?

 

[recreation]

That's quite interesting ... looks like you never take a break

I've seen (if i remember right) one game which has a steam release.
And that's different from the normal (renpy) release, at least the saves are.

I really don't give a shit about steam....
It's still Valve, last time I checked, and that's a reason not to install their launcher.
(Yeah, there have been good times with Valve, when they released good games without forcing you to be online, using your data and a few things more. But that's about ... 30? years ago).

So, if I might aks ...
Why Steam?

If you still release a (different?) version for free, do you think you can get more users with steam?
Are you planning to go steam only?

Don't get me wrong. Devs should make their income with their work.

But ...Steam?

It's simply to get bit more support and a bigger audience, I've lost my job right at the beginning of rona, and this is kinda officially my job by now, so I have to get some money in somehow. Patreon just doesn't cut it, some months it was barely enough to pay all bills and it's risky as well.

To the game: I've changed a few things that are steam specific (no patreon/ss links and one scene cut short), but I've also included a little "switch" in the code for when I ever need it. The package is essentially the same, it's just the switch that changes a few lines.

Regarding steam itself, I've never had a problem with them (aside from them blocking lewd stuff ). I very much prefer it over almost every other store (and especially epic's store and launcher which is much, MUCH worse than steam!).
That being said, it's a real pain in the arse to release something there, at least when you've never done it before...

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

So, if I might aks ...
Why Steam?

If you still release a (different?) version for free, do you think you can get more users with steam?
Are you planning to go steam only?

Don't get me wrong. Devs should make their income with their work.

But ...Steam?

Steam is a good way to advertise the game and get some more incoming. Besides they have been quite open to XXX games in the last years. Quite a few developers either release games there already or plan to.

edit:

Regarding steam itself, I've never had a problem with them (aside from them blocking lewd stuff ). I very much prefer it over almost every other store (and especially epic's store and launcher which is much, MUCH worse than steam!).
That being said, it's a real pain in the arse to release something there, at least when you've never done it before...

Rec did you try asking another devs that already released games there? Maybe they can help you with some of the things the plataform asks.

 

[recreation]

Rec did you try asking another devs that already released games there? Maybe they can help you with some of the things the plataform asks.

I'm done with most of it, the only thing missing is a trailer.

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(the store page is not visible for the public yet)
Not being able to see other games in this niche didn't make things easier though...

 

[lewismasss]

I'm done with most of it, the only thing missing is a trailer.

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(the store page is not visible for the public yet)
Not being able to see other games in this niche didn't make things easier though...

will there be a update at the end of this month or next

 

[jaw1986baby]

I'm done with most of it, the only thing missing is a trailer.

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(the store page is not visible for the public yet)
Not being able to see other games in this niche didn't make things easier though...

Can't you use a VPN and go to Steam as if from North America to see anything you want?

I used to go to Netflix "from Japan" to see the different lists

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

(the store page is not visible for the public yet)
Not being able to see other games in this niche didn't make things easier though...

What do you mean? You can go into your account and set porn games as visible.

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Or are you talking about some countries like Germany who decided to go all prude and forbidd adult games?

 

[recreation]

will there be a update at the end of this month or next

This month probably not, next month.... probably not as well^^
We'll see how things go, the overall quality of my render has improved a lot over the past months/year and I was able to keep the rendering speed kind of consistent by getting better hardware, but I'm missing one of my grafics cards now (luckily the slower one), so it's hard to predict. I've had really long rendering times with one of the scenes I'm working on, but it's also the biggest scene (environment) I've ever used and that part is finished now, so I hope the rest will go a lot faster.

Can't you use a VPN and go to Steam as if from North America to see anything you want?

I used to go to Netflix "from Japan" to see the different lists

Yesno, works when I use the browser and change the store country (which I have to do every time I open it), but with my internet + VPN it's just painful...

Or are you talking about some countries like germany who decided to go all prude and forbidden adult games?

Exactly that.

 

[jaw1986baby]

Yesno, works when I use the browser and change the store country (which I have to do every time I open it), but with my internet + VPN it's just painful...


Exactly that.

Ahh sorry man. I forget that I am spoiled sometimes. I got 800Mbps and NordVPN does not seem to slow me down much.

Now I am curious what country has the largest list of adult games.... I am seriously going to go down that rabbit hole sometime I know myself.

 

[recreation]

Ahh sorry man. I forget that I am spoiled sometimes. I got 800Mbps and NordVPN does not seem to slow me down much.

Now I am curious what country has the largest list of adult games.... I am seriously going to go down that rabbit hole sometime I know myself.

Probably japan xD

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Exactly that.

That sucks...

Ahh sorry man. I forget that I am spoiled sometimes. I got 800Mbps and NordVPN does not seem to slow me down much.

Now I am curious what country has the largest list of adult games.... I am seriously going to go down that rabbit hole sometime I know myself.

Yes VPNs reduce your internet speed but with that connection you are unlikely to noticed the difference.

 

[recreation]

Alright guys n gals, tell me some good spots in BM to get an achievement.
And please use spoiler if it's something story relevant