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[Stil996]

No, no. Not at all. What I'm saying is that people who actually struggle to distinguish dark fantasy from reality should stay clear of things that evoke their fantasies. There are extraordinarily few of these people (proportional to the entire population of adults on earth) who fall into this group. But if a person already has dark thoughts about raping women in parking lots or whatever, consuming content that gives those themes a place to live is a bad idea. If you're a drug addict, you don't hang around with people offering and using if you want to get clean. It's the same idea here: if you already have thoughts of doing horrible things, wisdom would dictate that entertaining and amplifying those with content portraying that same stuff could lead to fantasy bleeding into reality.

I'm not sure I agree with you, I often daydream about killing my boss... sometimes in ways that would make a Bond villain blush... but after all these years he is still alive and as annoying as ever (I've never so much as punched him! but I guess I fall in to the mostly sane category.... what a distressing thought ).

Though I guess the crux of your post is the part where you note "people who actually struggle to distinguish dark fantasy from reality" ... to that I'd say

1. It seems unlikely to me that anyone that has this problem would be able to self diagnose, so it's fairly moot IMO.
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2. I stand by my belief that any specific material will not "turn" them into "monsters"... They might fixate on a specific source material and claim it as a catalyst, but deny them that and I have no doubt they will simply develop another. You can't censor thoughts.

 

[Gibberish666]

wtf is going on here? I'm away for... idk how long, honestly... but I come by for a visit and people are arguing about psychological issues and Jeffrey Dahmer in the thread for a porn game?
I think I'll go now, and come back later.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Well...we don't condone, nor have any relationship with the unauthorized fan material on this thread. We understand why fans like the unauthorized fan content. For the Dev team there is only one route, pure romance. For me personally, it would be hard b/c real life I'd never do the dark things that the unauthorized fan content allows but maybe in my dark fantasy mind I wish I could

There are girls and content that isn't personally my jam that is in the game, i.e. femdom. I think the assumption is often if it's in the game it must me the dev is down to clown IRL on that fetish. That's not the case for me. Some stuff that gets in here is just b/c it makes sense story wise or an ADHD whim. My fav girls are usually whomever I am writing at the time but I have found my fav character to write is Tsundere characters i.e. Mallorie. She is probably the most fun to write. Nichole is fun. All the shorties are fun to write. Landlady is fun in a different way. I like many don't care for Janice but she is fun to write. Sofia and Abby tickle my romance bone a lot. Stacy is awesome to write b/c she is such a challenge. So many peeps wrote her off early and hate her that writing her redemption story is a challenge

Right now my top 3-4 can't wait for MC to have sex with is prob Mallorie, Nichole, Lana and Maria lol, all the shorties, followed by Sofia, Abby and Stacy maybe. But would love to get to Emma. Diya. Landlady. Back to Hannah (who in my mind is smok'n f'n hot). The twins and Bella are out there like Planet X waiting...

Did I just ramble or did I answer any questions lol?

No, you didn't ramble, clear answers and gave me what I was seeking!

We seem to share quite a few favorites I don't really get some of the people who are overly dismissive or ready to give up so quickly on stories/characters. I guess I'm in a minority, because I didn't have a problem with Stacy in the beginning really. The only thing that was floating in my mind was that I was expecting her character to be specifically cuckold stuff, based entirely on the MC's thoughts. She also gives off mega high-maintenance vibes, which I guess is a common male fear But, you've done a really good job "redeeming" her. She's one of my favorites now!

Thats the difference between Fantasy and Reality, why would anyone fantasize about stuff they do in reality?
The Darker stuff in particular is mesmerizing because you are freed from any consequences, I'd never do any of the rougher stuff in real life because I'd be too worried about causing harm, something you don't need to concern yourself with when your partner is fictional.

One of the primary reasons I love what I've seen so far... It feels like the story comes first rather being an after thought to connect random scenes

Dude don't cast shade on Janice (or "My future Cum Dump" as I like to think of her ), IMO There is very little that is sexier than dominating another Alpha, I even like that she has a bit of a belly, imperfect characters make a huge difference to the immersion of a story, nothing pulls me out faster than a lineup of identical Barbie Doll body types (I just wish her angry face wasn't so ugly though... So many women look super hot when they are pissed off... why couldn't Janice be one of them? )


Do you have the game roughly story boarded out or are you just taking it one/two updates at a time.

Yeah. I cringe when I see people fighting, I can't stand it. I get a pit in my stomach when I read news stories about rape & sexual assault.. it's always disturbed me to my core.

But people are so much more complicated than that. Yeah, I have darker fantasies. So do a lot of people, too; including women, who have to repeatedly insist that their fantasies do not reflect their true desires. It's perfectly normal it seems. My fantasies sometimes are the very things I hate to see or read about (though, of course, I have plenty of fantasies that never go there). I can't explain why those darker ones occupy my thoughts from time to time. But I do know that the idea of hurting someone for real is so repulsive & disgusting to me. That's the real psychopath test, right? Not about consequences. If consequences, like getting caught and arrested, is the only thing stopping someone, well they're almost definitely just a high functioning psychopath. But if someone sees other people's suffering itself as the reason they don't do it, well that sounds like a perfectly normal and moral person, regardless of their fantasies.

I do understand people who fear this kind of content, though. Because on the surface, you just can't know whether someone is normal w/ dark fantasies, or whether they're that crazy evil mfer they hear about on the news every so often. It's a scary fucking world for sure. But the normal ppl who dip into the darker content far outnumber the real threats by a huge margin. And that should provide substantial comfort, imo.

And yeah, agreed that the insane ones will find any outlet regardless. Though I'm no expert, so I'm willing to be wrong on that front.

So obviously I'm not implying this about you or any other particular person on this site, but this is actually how people like Jeffrey Dahmer work. They first have dark fantasies and then act on those and become real pieces of shit. As for the why, there are various reasons. Generally speaking, though, their realities can get distorted so they no longer distinguish a fantasy as just that. But yeah, for sane folks, we obviously would never do the depraved things in reality that come to our imaginations.

I mean, I think I get what you're saying, but it's a wildly insufficient comparison and tbh probably needlessly insulting to all the normal dark path enjoyers. Which I'm sure wasn't your intent. But, one has to make an effort not to read that implication from your comment

Dahmer is clearly incapable of valuing other people as moral agents. He's a cold-blooded psychopath. On the other hand, I imagine most people playing the dark route don't fall into that camp, though those people are clearly out there. Can't be helped, unfortunately. Most of us consume this content like we do other video games that let you do fucked up shit, like murder civilians, destroy buildings, etc. We wouldn't do it in rl, but having a virtual world completely devoid of any real morality or consequences gives a safe space to explore some of those darker thoughts. And it can be a lot of fun, which I know a lot of people don't want to hear. But it's simply true, and it's 100% innocent for most of us.

Acknowledging that people with dangerously antisocial behaviors often start out fantasizing, in no way is blaming the material. You should perhaps work on your reading comprehension.

No need to be rude or confrontational towards someone who themselves is just having a mild discussion/disagreement.

 

[TigerWolfe]

It's a scary fucking world for sure. But the normal ppl who dip into the darker content far outnumber the real threats by a huge margin. And that should provide substantial comfort, imo.

For me, if my only thing I know about you is that you get off on the thought of causing harm, I don't care if it's a fantasy we're probably not becoming friends. If you already pass my personal vibe checks and I later find out you have some darker fantasies I'll probably assume you're a normie with a kink.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

For me, if my only thing I know about you is that you get off on the thought of causing harm, I don't care if it's a fantasy we're probably not becoming friends. If you already pass my personal vibe checks and I later find out you have some darker fantasies I'll probably assume you're a normie with a kink.

True. If you don't know anything about someone, it's weird at a minimum. First impressions are everything, after all. But I always think of it like this: millions of dudes get off (in a non-sexual way) to all the gore in certain violent movies & video games. It's a pretty normal thing in fact. But, decades ago, there's no way that stuff would've been acceptable to the public. Way too much fear that the kinds of people who liked that stuff were violent psychopaths, and that consuming that kind of content would turn you into one too. Of course, didn't happen. I think porn is in that same place right now. Although if I'm being frank, I sorta don't even think that's necessarily a bad thing. Maybe it's a very good thing that society rejects it openly.

Either way, the only thing that scares me is some governments seriously consider making it illegal.. if they haven't already. Aside from that, I guess I can deal with lost friends

 

[dolfe67]

The good old debate "entertainment makes people violent". You're talking about dark sexual fantasies here, but one could say the same about pure violence, like for instance GTA. Why is it more acceptable? I've never heard a rapist justifying his deed by saying it's because of a porn game.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

I'm not sure I agree with you, I often daydream about killing my boss... sometimes in ways that would make a Bond villain blush... but after all these years he is still alive and as annoying as ever (I've never so much as punched him! but I guess I fall in to the mostly sane category.... what a distressing thought ).

Though I guess the crux of your post is the part where you note "people who actually struggle to distinguish dark fantasy from reality" ... to that I'd say

1. It seems unlikely to me that anyone that has this problem would be able to self diagnose, so it's fairly moot IMO.
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2. I stand by my belief that any specific material will not "turn" them into "monsters"... They might fixate on a specific source material and claim it as a catalyst, but deny them that and I have no doubt they will simply develop another. You can't censor thoughts.

No, you didn't ramble, clear answers and gave me what I was seeking!

We seem to share quite a few favorites I don't really get some of the people who are overly dismissive or ready to give up so quickly on stories/characters. I guess I'm in a minority, because I didn't have a problem with Stacy in the beginning really. The only thing that was floating in my mind was that I was expecting her character to be specifically cuckold stuff, based entirely on the MC's thoughts. She also gives off mega high-maintenance vibes, which I guess is a common male fear But, you've done a really good job "redeeming" her. She's one of my favorites now!


Yeah. I cringe when I see people fighting, I can't stand it. I get a pit in my stomach when I read news stories about rape & sexual assault.. it's always disturbed me to my core.

But people are so much more complicated than that. Yeah, I have darker fantasies. So do a lot of people, too; including women, who have to repeatedly insist that their fantasies do not reflect their true desires. It's perfectly normal it seems. My fantasies sometimes are the very things I hate to see or read about (though, of course, I have plenty of fantasies that never go there). I can't explain why those darker ones occupy my thoughts from time to time. But I do know that the idea of hurting someone for real is so repulsive & disgusting to me. That's the real psychopath test, right? Not about consequences. If consequences, like getting caught and arrested, is the only thing stopping someone, well they're almost definitely just a high functioning psychopath. But if someone sees other people's suffering itself as the reason they don't do it, well that sounds like a perfectly normal and moral person, regardless of their fantasies.

I do understand people who fear this kind of content, though. Because on the surface, you just can't know whether someone is normal w/ dark fantasies, or whether they're that crazy evil mfer they hear about on the news every so often. It's a scary fucking world for sure. But the normal ppl who dip into the darker content far outnumber the real threats by a huge margin. And that should provide substantial comfort, imo.

And yeah, agreed that the insane ones will find any outlet regardless. Though I'm no expert, so I'm willing to be wrong on that front.


I mean, I think I get what you're saying, but it's a wildly insufficient comparison and tbh probably needlessly insulting to all the normal dark path enjoyers. Which I'm sure wasn't your intent. But, one has to make an effort not to read that implication from your comment

Dahmer is clearly incapable of valuing other people as moral agents. He's a cold-blooded psychopath. On the other hand, I imagine most people playing the dark route don't fall into that camp, though those people are clearly out there. Can't be helped, unfortunately. Most of us consume this content like we do other video games that let you do fucked up shit, like murder civilians, destroy buildings, etc. We wouldn't do it in rl, but having a virtual world completely devoid of any real morality or consequences gives a safe space to explore some of those darker thoughts. And it can be a lot of fun, which I know a lot of people don't want to hear. But it's simply true, and it's 100% innocent for most of us.


No need to be rude or confrontational towards someone who themselves is just having a mild discussion/disagreement.

I only pointed out Dahmer as an example to say that a blanket "nobody" statement, which seemed to me to be what was implied in the first place, is false. The effect of content on people varies greatly from person to person. I also very specifically said I was not talking about anyone in particular on this site. I have been referring to a very tiny group of people in the world who actually have mental disorders in the vein of things like psychopathy and sociopathy. I have no idea where anyone is getting the idea that I said dark content causes a mental illness. In fact, I said specifically that it does not cause that. (Jeffry Dahmer even says exactly that: claims like "pornography caused it" are only excuses.) What I stated was that it could act as a trigger, potentially influencing someone who already has a mental illness of that type to act on an existing weakness.

I chose the word trigger very intentionally, and the content absolutely can be a trigger. Just like some people have a genetic weakness to become an alcoholic or similar, so some people with dark thoughts can be more predisposed toward psychological influence through content they consume. I also don't believe the content creates a mental disorder, but it absolutely exacerbates it if it already exists.

Anyway, I wasn't saying the dark content shouldn't exist or that anyone who enjoys that is bad in some way. I didn't mean to cause a big off-topic tangent on the thread. I'm obviously not going to change your minds, and you're not going to change mine. So, agree to disagree, I suppose.

 

[Stil996]

I only pointed out Dahmer as an example to say that a blanket "nobody" statement, which seemed to me to be what was implied in the first place, is false. The effect of content on people varies greatly from person to person. I also very specifically said I was not talking about anyone in particular on this site. I have been referring to a very tiny group of people in the world who actually have mental disorders in the vein of things like psychopathy and sociopathy. I have no idea where anyone is getting the idea that I said dark content causes a mental illness. In fact, I said specifically that it does not cause that. (Jeffry Dahmer even says exactly that: claims like "pornography caused it" are only excuses.) What I stated was that it could act as a trigger, potentially influencing someone who already has a mental illness of that type to act on an existing weakness.

I chose the word trigger very intentionally, and the content absolutely can be a trigger. Just like some people have a genetic weakness to become an alcoholic or similar, so some people with dark thoughts can be more predisposed toward psychological influence through content they consume. I also don't believe the content creates a mental disorder, but it absolutely exacerbates it if it already exists.

Anyway, I wasn't saying the dark content shouldn't exist or that anyone who enjoys that is bad in some way. I didn't mean to cause a big off-topic tangent on the thread. I'm obviously not going to change your minds, and you're not going to change mine. So, agree to disagree, I suppose.

Yeah I agree, this is the wrong place for this kind of debate... particularly since it is such a gray subject with both sides being firmly fixed in speculation.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

I only pointed out Dahmer as an example to say that a blanket "nobody" statement, which seemed to me to be what was implied in the first place, is false. The effect of content on people varies greatly from person to person. I also very specifically said I was not talking about anyone in particular on this site. I have been referring to a very tiny group of people in the world who actually have mental disorders in the vein of things like psychopathy and sociopathy. I have no idea where anyone is getting the idea that I said dark content causes a mental illness. In fact, I said specifically that it does not cause that. (Jeffry Dahmer even says exactly that: claims like "pornography caused it" are only excuses.) What I stated was that it could act as a trigger, potentially influencing someone who already has a mental illness of that type to act on an existing weakness.

I chose the word trigger very intentionally, and the content absolutely can be a trigger. Just like some people have a genetic weakness to become an alcoholic or similar, so some people with dark thoughts can be more predisposed toward psychological influence through content they consume. I also don't believe the content creates a mental disorder, but it absolutely exacerbates it if it already exists.

Anyway, I wasn't saying the dark content shouldn't exist or that anyone who enjoys that is bad in some way. I didn't mean to cause a big off-topic tangent on the thread. I'm obviously not going to change your minds, and you're not going to change mine. So, agree to disagree, I suppose.

I can't speak for other replies, but the only interpretation I was arguing against in yours was the Dahmer comparison that I kinda found distasteful. But I do get what you meant now. Either you misworded or I misunderstood, not worth arguing over that. But I get you now, so my bad for my part

And yeah, sorry for the off-topic. I still found it interesting though. Update wait itchies usually lead to this kind of stuff

 

[caravaggio]

I only pointed out Dahmer as an example to say that a blanket "nobody" statement, which seemed to me to be what was implied in the first place, is false. The effect of content on people varies greatly from person to person. I also very specifically said I was not talking about anyone in particular on this site. I have been referring to a very tiny group of people in the world who actually have mental disorders in the vein of things like psychopathy and sociopathy. I have no idea where anyone is getting the idea that I said dark content causes a mental illness. In fact, I said specifically that it does not cause that. (Jeffry Dahmer even says exactly that: claims like "pornography caused it" are only excuses.) What I stated was that it could act as a trigger, potentially influencing someone who already has a mental illness of that type to act on an existing weakness.

I chose the word trigger very intentionally, and the content absolutely can be a trigger. Just like some people have a genetic weakness to become an alcoholic or similar, so some people with dark thoughts can be more predisposed toward psychological influence through content they consume. I also don't believe the content creates a mental disorder, but it absolutely exacerbates it if it already exists.

Anyway, I wasn't saying the dark content shouldn't exist or that anyone who enjoys that is bad in some way. I didn't mean to cause a big off-topic tangent on the thread. I'm obviously not going to change your minds, and you're not going to change mine. So, agree to disagree, I suppose.

Not that I WANT to change your mind, but I wonder: have you ever read a paper about this topic or are you just speculating?

Because there is quite the literature about how experiencing "dark fantasies", so to say, vicariously can be quite therapeutical in many ways.
On the other hand if a person wants to experience deviant behaviours in first person because it gets triggered by said content through media we're probably talking about different kinds of problems, not related to the media itself (seeing you mentioned clearly abnormal subjects like serial killers)