Fan Art Being A DIK: Fan Art

[redle]

As I'm working on my Josy I'm noticing something I also ran into when I was trying to perfect Maya. I think DPC is using Genesis 3 models even with some of the Genesis 8 exclusive character assets. It really comes down to the difference in the way G3 and G8 facial expressions are rigged. I think Night Hacker's Josy has the correct skin (still working out the model)... but some of the expressions DPC uses on Maya and now Josy are simply not possible with a Genesis 8 rigged face.

Primarily this expression is what drew my attention to it:
(This is part of an in-game render from DPC, not my own.)
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DPC also uses this expression with Maya. The reason why its notable, is because with a Genesis 8 character, in order to rotate the characters eyes so far up into their head half their pupil is covered, G8 also bends their brows upwards ruining the effect you see in the photo where her brows are in the position they're in when the eyes are zero'd. In the Genesis 3 model, the eyes are completely detached from the rest of the face rig and you can rotate the eyes anywhere you want without affecting the rest of their face at all. This may be the reason why people have had so much trouble figuring out facial expressions for these characters.

I have no idea if G3 or G8 is used in the game. But as for eyes in G8 must move the brows... that I disagree with. The eye lids and lashes move with the eyes, but not brows. There are certainly pre-made morphs which move multiple things at the same time, but that's a different discussion.

Here is Josy G8 in a quick/rough similar pose.

 

[Pillower]

I have no idea if G3 or G8 is used in the game. But as for eyes in G8 must move the brows... that I disagree with. The eye lids and lashes move with the eyes, but not brows. There are certainly pre-made morphs which move multiple things at the same time, but that's a different discussion.

Here is Josy G8 in a quick/rough similar pose.
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Huh? Am I missing something obvious? How would you pose the eyes without moving the brows, then? Mine definitely moves the brows and I'm using the default Daz posing morph.
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[redle]

Huh? Am I missing something obvious? How would you pose the eyes without moving the brows, then? Mine definitely moves the brows and I'm using the default Daz posing morph.
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Just did some testing to track it down. Try disabling your "Auto Face Enhancer"

"AFE !Master Controller" set to 0 on G8F

or, for the specific instance of just removing the brow shift after you move the eyes if you do not want to turn off everything

"AFE L Eye Up PP" (a hidden slider)
"AFE R Eye Up PP" (also hidden)
These were bumped up to 53.3% on eyes up set to 100%... setting them to 0% returned the brows to their default location.

 

[Pillower]

Just did some testing to track it down. Try disabling your "Auto Face Enhancer"

"AFE !Master Controller" set to 0 on G8F

or, for the specific instance of just removing the brow shift after you move the eyes if you do not want to turn off everything

"AFE L Eye Up PP" (a hidden slider)
"AFE R Eye Up PP" (also hidden)
These were bumped up to 53.3% on eyes up set to 100%... setting them to 0% returned the brows to their default location.

Oh my god...

This changes so much. Not only did I not even realize I had the Auto Face Enhancer product installed (my asset library is like 2TB at this point so its not surprising) but the knowledge that every model I've ever saved likely has this on as a rogue morph is kinda upsetting. Although, I don't dislike what the morph is doing in terms of realism, it just sucked when trying to copy DPC's expressions.

Well, holy shit -- I could kiss you.

 

[Penfold Mole]

... The eye lids and lashes move with the eyes, but not brows.

Not when you try to look up as far as you can without moving your head. Then your eyebrows do move up a little.
If you try to fight back not to move them, they move less, but they still move a little. Try it and you'll notice tension in your eyebrow muscles. They move a tiny bit.
If you still can't feel it, try to look down as far as you can and then look up as fast and as far as you can. There's a clear and noticeable movement.

 

[Valarcho]

Some simple alternative dforce hair shots. And one with different lighting.

Can anyone share a tried and tested technique when simulating dforce hair?
1.You position the body and head and run a hair simulation.
2. You use the Timeline tab. Basically I have seen this tab used in more complex clothing simulation (model sitting on a chair for example) and I don't know what application it has in hair simulation.

 

[Pillower]

Some simple alternative dforce hair shots. And one with different lighting.

Can anyone share a tried and tested technique when simulating dforce hair?
1.You position the body and head and run a hair simulation.
2. You use the Timeline tab. Basically I have seen this tab used in more complex clothing simulation (model sitting on a chair for example) and I don't know what application it has in hair simulation.


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There's not really a one-size-fits-all solution with dforce. What methods you use really depends on what you're trying to accomplish with the hair. Simming with animation timeline is what I'd use if I needed the hair to appear as though the character moved quickly in an action shot, or for a scenario like you said where I want the hair to fall somewhere other than the model's shoulders. For still photography, current frame and memorized pose unchecked and default settings are usually enough to get the hair to fall on the shoulders how I want, or if I need the character hanging upside down, rotating the character on their head and simming current frame so their hair falls straight down to the floor is another way. You've got it correct that animation timeline is mainly used for more complex hair positioning where gravity alone isn't the solution, and you want another force like object collision to come into play.

 

[Donnie Brasco]

... And one with different lighting...

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As far as my concern any post with Bella is like by default

 

[redle]

Not when you try to look up as far as you can without moving your head. Then your eyebrows do move up a little.
If you try to fight back not to move them, they move less, but they still move a little. Try it and you'll notice tension in your eyebrow muscles. They move a tiny bit.
If you still can't feel it, try to look down as far as you can and then look up as fast and as far as you can. There's a clear and noticeable movement.

No one here is talking about real life. We are talking about the G8F model.

 

[Penfold Mole]

No one here is talking about real life. We are talking about the G8F model.

I get that. What I meant was that on a realistic facial expression with eyes looking up, the eyebrows are also slightly raised.
Just trying to be helpful, not antagonizing.

I'm guessing, while using the "Auto Face Enhancer" you guys were talking about, you could try to set the slider to somewhere close to 0%, but not completely. 53.3% is clearly insanely exaggerated (unless it's actually meant as an exaggerated facial expression), but you could start to try with 5% or something like that. It's what I would do, anyway.

Just a suggestion, based on IRL observations.

 

[Jadefalcon]

Penfold.... Shush!


Sorry, couldn't resist *goes back to watching Danger Mouse*

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

BaDIK/The Boys crossover: Maya Starlight
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[Gamer8n8]

 

[ChipLecsap]

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Now Kiss !

 

[Sharyan]

"I recovered the sample, but I was followed by someone"

 

[Jumbi]

Valarcho
For this one, I opted for running the dForce simulation over an animated timeline, since there were several dforce assets at play. With the timeline you have more control on the process. For example, you can check what is causing a collision explosion when that horror happens.

 

[Sharyan]

Jill

 

[fapergoglee]

Not sure about you guys but I need this.

 

[VaderExMachina]

Not sure about you guys but I need this.
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if by "needing this" you mean having a wife and kid in the future then heck yea i want that too!

 

[MADmonkeysw]

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