VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[mommysboiii]

Being a DIK is much complex and deeper than most VNs

no its really not for the huge budget pls be honest
does it have good music yes
does it have good looking girls yes sure
good graphic sure

but common realistic and good writting? or logical acting cheracters ? good representation of young adults especially males? hots act different than jill in any way ? there are so many logic holes i am sorry they main reason why its so high is prob the sex scenes and good renders and a lot of people have a bonding with sage or jill i am sorry but this is the truth( a lot of guys have this harem/andrew tate fantasys that guys can cheat 100 times but if a girl does it oh dear )

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

guys can we please be honest for one second we know why he has to write cheracters and the story a certain way and the answer is the fanbase most people interpret way to much in this

comon pls be honest the reason why hots a lot of them (are slutty) act often very unlogic is because of the fanbase if they actually would act like the typical more open minded girl everybody would lose their mind and go crazy i mean look at the big drama for the little vanilla things in interlude.

yes most or a lot of cheracters act very unlogic dosent matter if its jill a very shy girl that normaly would take till prom night to get sex ,or hots beaing only slutty if mc with dik affinity is near ,or guys that are all the sadden all nerds,gay or stay in corners on big partys we know why he does this common mate.

the big problem in my opinion is that the dev will never grow as a writter because he is very limited in his writting this way and a sage ,quinn and jill will be very simmular this way even if they would act complettly different in terms of kinks,sluttiness or interaction with other people and so on the fanbase is the main reason and unless he does his own thing or dont care about money at some point he will never grow as a writter this is the 100% truth we all know that if we use a little bit of logic.

Look, the key difference between DPC and EvaKiss (I give an example, because I see you in the ORS thread, so you are familiar with her games) - PinkCake writes games as he wants and how he sees the development of the plot. He does not look at the fan base at all and does as he sees fit. For example, Interlude is very controversial, half of the players did not like such a plot move, no one likes Madame Rose, but still they are in the game. Few things are affected by the fan base, like patrons voting on who gets featured in special renders.
And this is his plus, he ignores the cries of the crowd and does what he wants. DPC is making its own game and people love it. Eva, for example, is the complete opposite, she is too sensitive to feedback.
In terms of writing talent, I compare it to the level of AAA games in the past when they were really great. And in the behavior of Quinn and Jill there is nothing in common. Each character is a well-thought-out personality with strengths and weaknesses, in most VNs the characters are just dick nozzles. This VN wouldn't be so popular if it was just another wanker with boring NPCs and fucking 3D girls.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

no its really not pls be honest
does it have good music yes
does it have good looking girls yes sure
godd graphic sure

but common realistic and good writting? or logical acting cheracters ? good representation of young adults especially males? hots act different than jill in any way ? there are so many logic holes i am sorry they main reason why its so high is progb the sex scenes and good renders and a lot of people have a bonding with sage or jill i am sorry but this is the truth( a lot of guys have this harem/andrew tate fantasys that guys can cheat 100 times but if a girl does it oh dear )

Interesting, thoughtful characters - yes
Fascinating story yes
Plot holes are minimal. And I analyzed them in this thread.
The representation of young men is good - especially the DIK group - each character is a personality with its own character, especially they were revealed in the second season.

i am sorry but this is the truth

It's called opinion, man. Your point of view is nothing more than subjective, just like mine. There can be no truth here, we are not discussing algebra. This is art and there can be no single truth here. The fact that you do not like writing in BaDIK is nothing more than your subjective opinion.

If we compare your view with the objective reality, which is formed by the majority, then your point of view becomes even more subjective. And you are doubly mistaken if you say that the popularity of this game is due only to hot scenes. Because in many games there are high-quality hot renders. The description of Being a DIK in short is: "Went in for the porn, stayed for the story"

 

[McGreed]

no its really not pls be honest
does it have good music yes
does it have good looking girls yes sure
good graphic sure

but common realistic and good writting? or logical acting cheracters ? good representation of young adults especially males? hots act different than jill in any way ? there are so many logic holes i am sorry they main reason why its so high is prob the sex scenes and good renders and a lot of people have a bonding with sage or jill i am sorry but this is the truth( a lot of guys have this harem/andrew tate fantasys that guys can cheat 100 times but if a girl does it oh dear )

Jesus Christ. Yeah, the main reasons why BaD is so popular are good graphics, animations and bonding with Jill/Sage
I don't even know if I really want to step into this conversation or it's better to just ignore your profiles. These constant complaints about TERRIBLE and UNREALISTIC writing with tons of plotholes are kinda annoying

 

[mommysboiii]

Look, the key difference between DPC and EvaKiss (I give an example, because I see you in the ORS thread, so you are familiar with her games) - PinkCake writes games as he wants and how he sees the development of the plot. He does not look at the fan base at all and does as he sees fit. For example, Interlude is very controversial, half of the players did not like such a plot move, no one likes Madame Rose, but still they are in the game. Few things are affected by the fan base, like patrons voting on who gets featured in special renders.
And this is his plus, he ignores the cries of the crowd and does what he wants. DPC is making its own game and people love it. Eva, for example, is the complete opposite, she is too sensitive to feedback.
In terms of writing talent, I compare it to the level of AAA games in the past when they were really great. And in the behavior of Quinn and Jill there is nothing in common. Each character is a well-thought-out personality with strengths and weaknesses, in most VNs the characters are just dick nozzles. This VN wouldn't be so popular if it was just another wanker with boring NPCs and fucking 3D girls.

this is not true I kinda like you you seem like a nice guy but you like this game a lot the main reason why he writes this way is money or that he is very young and actually has this world view on women in real life this are the only 2 ways.every ceracter acts the same in bed and every one is over the mc a lot of cheracters make no sense if you actually look at there personalitie and how they act in bed, with other people other than mc and a lot of other things quinn is very simmular to jill which make zero sense.

 

[lipe2410]

It's funny how some people in this site are so narrow minded and focused on "realism" in this type of games. As if realism were the only way to make a good story and not just one of the thousands way a story can be made. And realism is not superior to none of those. And is even more funny that practically every "realist-story freak" not even know what realism really is in arts. Otherwise they will see that the number of "realistic VNs" in this site is: 0.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Jesus Christ. Yeah, the main reasons why BaD is so popular are good graphics, animations and bonding with Jill/Sage
I don't even know if I really want to step into this conversation or it's better to just ignore your profiles. These constant complaints about TERRIBLE and UNREALISTIC writing with tons of plotholes are kinda annoying

Checking your signature links, even if you don't want to admit it, you do care about decent to good writing.

 

[mommysboiii]

If we compare your view with the objective reality, which is formed by the majority, then your point of view becomes even more subjective. And you are doubly mistaken if you say that the popularity of this game is due only to hot scenes. Because in many games there are high-quality hot renders. The description of Being a DIK in short is: "Went in for the porn, stayed for the story"
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I just said that the reason why he does this is porb money which is a fact unless his world view is really like this if he is very young adult which can also be the case.

or that the hots act a certain way is a fact, plot holes are a fact all this things i mean if i like the game or not is subjective and whith this pic you counter your own point i mean look at this wvm, summer saga harem hotel dating my daugter milf city and so on all male fantasy harem games wih a lot of sex, plot holes and not realistic(medicore at best) writting so this think works if you care about money its a fact but not a good product.

 

[ename144]

It´s just that two months ago in the game, when the school year started, Sage wasn´t interested in helping someone, and suddenly she is... I suppose that she was an orphan two months ago too, since that´s the reason DPC gives for Sage wanting to help someone and choosing Maya as his charity project... It´s not "It´s too late for the HOTs so I´m going to forget them and save Maya" since she doesn´t know about the problems of the other HOTs. If she knew, it´s supposed that this Sage wanting to help people around her would have helped her sisters time ago. After all, again, she was an orphan last year and the year before too, when she met Quinn and the others...

I think it´s just that for DPC, at first Sage and the HOTs were just a bunch of clichés, and after a few updates, the game and the story became bigger than DPC himself expected, and he had to give Sage (and also Quinn and the others) a personality. Problem is, the foundations of those characters are really bad. I like Sage (and even Quinn) now, but it´s because I choose to forget how they were during the first season. But Maya is just a bad character now, and then too. She´s just a spineless doll face (she didn´t even had the guts to say the MC the she already was in a relationship) waiting that a white knight, whoever, comes to solve her problems. I understand that Quinn, that is the opposite, a girl that solves her own problems even if that means risking ending up in jail, despises her. She´s beyond redemption as a likable character. But she has a pretty 3D model, that´s true.

There are a lot of separate issues here. Sage doesn't offer to help Quinn because Quinn goes to great lengths to downplay her need for money. That part can't be chalked up to lazy writing, it's a well presented side-effect of Quinn's personality.

Sage being completely oblivious to Quinn's vice racket... that's more in the lazy writing zone. I can suspend my disbelief to a point; we've seen things Sage hasn't, and she has been distracted by the Chad situation. But there's a limit, and once it's clear she believes Maya's story there's no excuse for her to continue giving Quinn so much free rein. This is made all the worse by the way the game portrays Sage as a wise leader - criticizing Rusty for living in a bubble and the like - when she has in fact been a horribly negligent president. To her credit Sage does realize she dropped the ball with Maya (especially if Maya asked to switch mothers), but she's still underestimating the scale of her screwup.

Now as far as DPC changing his mind about the HOTs, I strongly disagree. It seems very clear DPC always intended us to dismiss Sage as a vapid party girl early on, then realize her depths as we got to know her. That's a classic trope, and Sage is hardly the only person who's initial impression is misleading.

On Maya, you're welcome to dislike her, but dismissing her as waiting for a white knight to solve all her problems is flat out wrong. The whole point of joining the HOTs was to solve her problems on her own. Maya wouldn't even tell the MC about her problems until Episode 4 (if you're on her path) or Episode 6 (if you're not). Maya's mistake is looking for a get-rich-quick scheme to solve her problems in one fell swoop rather than attacking it over time. Maya is a very passive character and I'm as sick of her being stuck in the damsel role as everyone else, but she is not simply mooching off other characters.

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I mean, YOU started it, Isabella

You know, it occurs to me that this is exactly the sort of exchange that seems like an innocent joke about incest games now, but would take on a whole new meaning if it turns out Bella had a miscarriage. Just saying.

Though ... I think Tommy knew about Maya. I think in Ep 2 or 3 when they're having a party in the basement (when you do body shots off of Sarah and Mel) right before then Tommy seems like he's about tell Rusty about Maya like he's familiar with her in relation to Josy but Derek cuts him off.
That could either mean 1. Tommy was just going to say, "Yea, she's this really hot blonde" and Derek got uncomfortable so he brought up that she was his sister or 2. Tommy knew Josy and Maya were going out and was about to say something like, "Yea, she's my stupid step-sister's girlfriend". Derek probably cut him off for the same reason though, he just got uncomfortable about his sister being mentioned at all. Since, I think at that point Derek still didn't know Tommy was Josy's step-brother and wouldn't even imagine Tommy knowing about that relationship. Could be remembering wrong. I'm replaying the game while waiting but only got up to ep 1 because I haven't had time the past few days. Probably reading into it too much but that party scene was also the foreshadowing for Sage being a Burke. So who knows?

I'm pretty sure Tommy was going to say Maya was a friend of his step-sister. Josy's family had all met Maya, they just didn't know she and Josy were a romantic couple.

Hey guys. I was thinking of getting into DPC's other game Acting Lessons. Just wanted you opinions. It's it as good as Being a Dik? Because I honestly don't how you can top this one.

Is it same style and humor?

Acting Lessons. Sigh.

Okay, here's the thing. AL is a very well-crafted game with excellent character work and a lot of good bits. But it's also a fucking bait and switch. The game is not what it presents itself as for the first 6 chapters. The end of the game not only takes a famously dark turn, but that turn doesn't flow out of the events leading up to it. It just pops up out of nowhere and completely changes the tone of the game, practically wallowing in misery by the final episode. The endings can have some nice, bittersweet moments depending on how you play, but the emphasis is mostly on the bitter half.

As long as you know that going in, I think you'll be fine if you want to try it (assuming you can handle dark stories, obviously).

 

[Don Sucio]

By the way, as we have to choose one of the girl at the end and break with the others, will the third season develop every path distinctly with friend zoned girls on every path ? I mean it will be difficult to play with a Harem mode now, right ?

Well, you have the option of not choosing any girl so you can still continue with the harem

 

[Phoexist]

If you were Bourke... would you sleep soundly every night if you know that your life and family, and the ones of your partners in business depend of... Quinn?

Narcissists never believe they would be caught. People in power aren't always rational about their risks. By your logic, no one with substantial money or power would ever do anything illegal. Which we know in real life is ... not the case.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

this is not true I kinda like you you seem like a nice guy but you like this game a lot the main reason why he writes this way is money or that he is very young and actually has this world view on women in real life this are the only 2 ways.every ceracter acts the same in bed and every one is over the mc a lot of cheracters make no sense if you actually look at there personalitie and how they act in bed, with other people other than mc and a lot of other things quinn is very simmular to jill which make zero sense.

DPC is not young, I think he is even older than me. Most likely he is 35-40, from the facts that we know - he has a wife. Why do I think that he is 35-40? In the style of BaDIK, notes of American youth school comedies of the early 2000s, such as American Pie, are recognizable. Look at the same Tommy or Derek and you can see Stifler. That's an example.
Plus, his views are extremely unprogressive for today's youth - he exposes the SJW movement as a bunch of clowns.
Well, if you are a Capricornus , then it’s understandable, everything in life is done for the sake of money.

 

[felicemastronzo]

We know some things.
1. Quinn, Camila and Riona are prostitutes and work together under Quinn's direction.
2. Probably Sarah and Mel too.
3. They have been doing that for at least a year, probably two or even more time.
4. We only know one client for sure (MC), maybe two (Bourke), but they have more than that. It would be absurd if the business depends on one or two clients only.
5. Clients are people of the campus: students, probably some of them close friends of the HOTs (like MC) and maybe teachers too, since the dean is into it somehow.
6. They sell drugs too.
7. Quinn is not careful, she offers the services of his "restaurant" to people that barely knows like MC, and try to pimp girls that barely knows too, like Maya and Mona.
8. Quinn recibe clients in her own room, that is decorated like a brothel, including orgies with at least other girl and the client.

So... do you think that 8 (more or less) girls can live in the same house for several years, and realistically, not noticing that some of their "sisters" are into that kind of business? They are not going to see or listen nothing weird, a client is not going to talk, there are not going to be rumors all around the campus...? A Dean of an university, in his right mind, realistically, is going to allow himself to get involved into that kind of business with a bunch of barely legal untrustworthy brats, that are even close friends of his own daughter?

The plot of Quinn and some of the HOTs being into some shady business could be a good idea, but the way DPC has developed it, too hardcore, is a total nonsense from the beginning.

the topic of realism is always a slippery one. there are fathers who do not notice what their sons are doing, so it is not outside of what is happening in reality

it seems to me that the group of HOTs doesn't live so symbiotically that it should be assumed that everyone knows everything: Elena practically lives with John Boy, Heather probably knows a lot about the drug business (as a customer) but doesn't necessarily know about the restaurant, she knows that Melanie and Sara are "sluts" but not to that extent probably.
it would be unrealistic if Sara didn't know what Melanie does, but so it doesn't seem like a big jump in credibility that I've seen in a work of fiction

if the whole business starts with Quinn, it is less than two years old, even assuming it all started on Quinn's first day of college, which doesn't seem likely to me.

we have only seen MC and Burke as customers of the restaurant, plus we know about the glory holes within the college, but those can only be a part of the restaurant business, we simply do not know much, even if we know "everything"

 

[NebulousShooter]

Careful not to cut yourself on that edge.

 

[SOMErandomwierdGUY]

I see this has the female protag tag but is it possible to play from a feminine perspective? Based on the description it doesn't seem so but descriptions can be misleading.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I see this has the female protag tag but is it possible to play from a feminine perspective? Based on the description it doesn't seem so but descriptions can be misleading.

you are right: that tag is quite misleading, actually only the interlude (a short chapter that serves as a prologue to the third season) has the female protagonist

everything else in the game has the same male protagonist

 

[Jimayo]

Interesting, thoughtful characters - yes
Fascinating story yes
Plot holes are minimal. And I analyzed them in this thread.
The representation of young men is good - especially the DIK group - each character is a personality with its own character, especially they were revealed in the second season.


It's called opinion, man. Your point of view is nothing more than subjective, just like mine. There can be no truth here, we are not discussing algebra. This is art and there can be no single truth here. The fact that you do not like writing in BaDIK is nothing more than your subjective opinion.

If we compare your view with the objective reality, which is formed by the majority, then your point of view becomes even more subjective. And you are doubly mistaken if you say that the popularity of this game is due only to hot scenes. Because in many games there are high-quality hot renders. The description of Being a DIK in short is: "Went in for the porn, stayed for the story"
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Popular = good. Yeah. I guess 50 shades of gray is one of the greatest novels of all time.

 

[Olsens.M]

Guys, you are just looking for excuses for DPC's bad writing.

Lily being a cop? Really? A girl that works full time in a strip club, is about 20 or 21 years old, buy drugs for her and the other strippers, and ask MC for a few bucks for having sex with him?

Quinn allowing only the MC go to her room to fuck? A room that looks like a whorehouse, leopard sheets, sex toys, candy and booze included? Really? I don't think Quinn would do a lot of money only with one regular client. If Quinn made "the offer" to MC, you can think the she made the same offer to Derek and probably Caleb and the other DIKs and alpha wannabees. For sure, the other DIKs and the alfas too the year before. Quinn barely knows MC when she proposes the "restaurant deal" to her. He's not special for her. It´s something that she does with every fresh student she met since last year at least. Only that way Quinn's business has sense. It DPC pretends that we think otherwise, it's awful writing.

By the way, Quinn doesn't kiss guys because she's totally straight. She fucks with girls because business or to manipulate them to include them into her "restaurant" (Riona and Camila), because it's kinky, or just because this is a porn game and all girls being lesbian is like MC having a magic cock, a cliché of the genre. But she knows there is no risk for her to fall in love with a girl. No problem if she kisses them. But she knows she could fall in love for a boy, and she doesn't want to. Bad for business. That's why she doesn't do "boyfriend stuff", like kissing or "pijama parties", with boys. Except the MC, of course. Haven't you see "Pretty Woman"? DPC has copied that from that movie. Julia Roberts doesn't kiss men because she doesn't want to get too attached to them since they are only clients, and that's how they must remain. But then she meets MC, I mean Richard Gere, the start behaving like lovers, and you know what happens, at least in Disney version of the script. The ending of the original one was different.

And Heather knows about the drugs and says nothing about it because of Tommy, but I don't think she knows about prostitution. The same could go for Elena. Why a girl would stay in a sorority that could end up (and probably will be) being a national scandal and ruin her reputation even if she's not prostituting's herself, if she's not into that business?

Lily Sucked my mcs dick and let me cum on her pussy for free. I didn't even need to pay her anything on the preps party. Then I hard sex twice with her later on. Once on the hots party then at the strip club. These 15yo kids that doesn't know anything about life thinks she can be a cop lol.

I read some of your comments, but I couldnt reply untill now. I agree with most stuff you talked about Maya, Sage etc. About some stuff that you believe that wasn't written well. But there were some stuff that I disagree with you. First you were talking about how Sage changed from one thing to another in 2 months. I believe that from the beginning of this VN untill when the DIKs starts to rebuild their mansion it took a year at least in game time. But even if it was only 2 months, that are stuff that happens on someone's life that can make they change the way they see things. I could give many examples but I won't right now.

Another thing you should keep in mind is. The way you usually see someone from the moment you first met them is not really the way they trully are. I saw you judging Sage and Quinn, saying they kind of changed the way they were from season 1 to season 8. But on season 1, MC knowledge about these girls were totally superficial. Now at season 8, he already built a relationship with some of them, so he could see other sides that they keep hidden or they don't show to everyone. Or Maybe it was just you, the MC, who didn't know, because you never had a change to get to know them before. Sometimes they haven't changed at all, it was you, who started seeing them differently, more in depth. Riona at the first glance was just a slut, who'd have sex for money to anyone who'd pay her. But now we see a lot more about her personality. In real life, I am not sure if you have ever paid for the services of a girl before. But I have, and sometimes it is just a one time thing, but sometimes, you may have a nice conversation with some of these girls and exchange numbers, then you find out that despite their line of work, they are just a normal girl, as much as you are or someone of your family.
I think you are judging too much some stuff and sometimes it is just you who doesn't have that much life experience to see that many of the things he wrote on his game can be totally normal in real life.

 

[allanl9020142]

There are a lot of separate issues here. Sage doesn't offer to help Quinn because Quinn goes to great lengths to downplay her need for money. That part can't be chalked up to lazy writing, it's a well presented side-effect of Quinn's personality.

Sage being completely oblivious to Quinn's vice racket... that's more in the lazy writing zone. I can suspend my disbelief to a point; we've seen things Sage hasn't, and she has been distracted by the Chad situation. But there's a limit, and once it's clear she believes Maya's story there's no excuse for her to continue giving Quinn so much free rein. This is made all the worse by the way the game portrays Sage as a wise leader - criticizing Rusty for living in a bubble and the like - when she has in fact been a horribly negligent president. To her credit Sage does realize she dropped the ball with Maya (especially if Maya asked to switch mothers), but she's still underestimating the scale of her screwup.

Now as far as DPC changing his mind about the HOTs, I strongly disagree. It seems very clear DPC always intended us to dismiss Sage as a vapid party girl early on, then realize her depths as we got to know her. That's a classic trope, and Sage is hardly the only person who's initial impression is misleading.

On Maya, you're welcome to dislike her, but dismissing her as waiting for a white knight to solve all her problems is flat out wrong. The whole point of joining the HOTs was to solve her problems on her own. Maya wouldn't even tell the MC about her problems until Episode 4 (if you're on her path) or Episode 6 (if you're not). Maya's mistake is looking for a get-rich-quick scheme to solve her problems in one fell swoop rather than attacking it over time. Maya is a very passive character and I'm as sick of her being stuck in the damsel role as everyone else, but she is not simply mooching off other characters.



You know, it occurs to me that this is exactly the sort of exchange that seems like an innocent joke about incest games now, but would take on a whole new meaning if it turns out Bella had a miscarriage. Just saying.



I'm pretty sure Tommy was going to say Maya was a friend of his step-sister. Josy's family had all met Maya, they just didn't know she and Josy were a romantic couple.



Acting Lessons. Sigh.

Okay, here's the thing. AL is a very well-crafted game with excellent character work and a lot of good bits. But it's also a fucking bait and switch. The game is not what it presents itself as for the first 6 chapters. The end of the game not only takes a famously dark turn, but that turn doesn't flow out of the events leading up to it. It just pops up out of nowhere and completely changes the tone of the game, practically wallowing in misery by the final episode. The endings can have some nice, bittersweet moments depending on how you play, but the emphasis is mostly on the bitter half.

As long as you know that going in, I think you'll be fine if you want to try it (assuming you can handle dark stories, obviously).

Aahhh. That's right. I forgot about that part. Thanks. I forgot Maya talks about Josy's family knowing that they're "friends" but not about the fact that they're in a relationship.

 

[DrSoong]

All your complaints before ...

I have a serious question: If you don't like the game (mostly of the writing), why are you posting in this thread? Wouldn't i be more satisfying for you to concentrate on games you like and ignore the ones you can't stand? Why using nerves by reading and discussing our opinions (and our fantasies/suggestions about the past and future storyline) when there is a big lake of games here at this board.

Yes, we know about the inconsistency in the story and about several other things beyond, they had been often discussed here and also will be in future. But we all wait for the next Ep to be released (hopefully this year, at least this decade), so we brainfuck about several things but not that serious that we complain (except the long developing time).