VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[Darkwen]

I'm not saying that real feminism is not misunderstood and implemented

The reason real feminism is not understood is simple no two girls can agree on anything at the same time because bitches be crazy (im joking ... mostly)

 

[Bendover885]

that jerk is You

Like the Heart of Walmart.

 

[ChipLecsap]

This is... pretty accurate. And just like that scene with Andrew and Emma: neutral is better. Neutral is life.

I still think, it's more like Captain america Chick, Tonny Neutral, and Wade wilson Deadpool is Dik.
bully maguire is more of a Meme than an actual character

 

[dalli_x]

What you describe here is Crenshaw's intersectional feminism, which is concerned with "equity" not equality: equity being defined as systems righting the wrongs of past discrimination. Simone de Beauvoir, for one, would disagree.

In my opinion, it is still wrong to treat people unequally because we are all human beings. Moreover, the mistakes of the past should be corrected and not repeated. However, this cannot be politically decreed, because everyone has to decide this for themselves, and so inequality remains, whether it is regulated by law or not.

For me personally, the unequal treatment of people is an ethical and moral injustice that should be punished with justice if someone takes action against it. But that's my attitude on this issue.

 

[Bendover885]

In my opinion, it is still wrong to treat people unequally because we are all human beings. Moreover, the mistakes of the past should be corrected and not repeated. However, this cannot be politically decreed, because everyone has to decide this for themselves, and so inequality remains, whether it is regulated by law or not.

For me personally, the unequal treatment of people is an ethical and moral injustice that should be punished with justice if someone takes action against it. But that's my attitude on this issue.

Fair. Agreed.

 

[dalli_x]

You have such a wrong take on all of this.
Especially this unusually method that you want to label all of the other characters in these spectrum that only define MC

But also funny how you try to paint it that Chick mc is the only that apply to to the Base plot

"CHICK MC: The problem is actually that he grew up too fast. His decision to drop out of high school and not go to San Diego with Zoey clearly shows that. He was shaped by the hardships and bullying in his childhood. He learned early on that he had to work hard to earn something. That's why everyone invites the MC to drink at EP8's dorm party. This is also how he learns to be easygoing and have fun. He goes dancing to Tommy or just starts dancing in the chill zone. The MC starts to learn that there are times when he can be a kid."

This part is not an exclusive chick MC, this is the base MC, regardless of any affinity. .

Chick mc
- is the one who talk big from the balcony, but walk away like a pussy when Caleb show up
- walk away, when Tybalt bitch slap him
- Two naked chick standing if front of him, and he ask for privacy
- barely participating in Hell week, lets Derek do all the stuff, and he just a freeloader.
- Chasing multiple main girl, yet he's feelings is the only thing that should matter, he is the victim, its feels more hypocrite from him , than a Dik player
- creepy shower scene with Jill. " Is this what I think it is " Creep.

Chick, does not feel organic at all , beside 2 major choice.
The only reason people take this road because it's necessary for some of the stupid game mechanic system.
It doesn't make him automatically better character, person, or more mature.

Why would the MC beat Caleb at the beginning of EP5? This is so wrong. Caleb didn't attack the MC personally, so the MC doesn't have to defend himself. With a DIK like Tommy, who doesn't get down easily, you can assume he will defend himself against Caleb. Oops. The most massive DIK stood there like a schoolboy. Besides, the DIKs got the information they wanted. But what happens when the MC escalates this confrontation? Jamie gets dragged into it. What do you think is the wiser decision?

Yes, Tybalt slaps the MC, which really only hurts him emotionally. Does that warrant a punch that costs Tybalt a few teeth? Ergo, an assault. Especially the prestige damage for the MC would be enormous.

The two chicks thing probably refers to the shower scene from EP4 Sage path, with Melanie and Sarah. If it's a challenge for you to get the MC to fuck them, then let your MC do it. But it takes more self-control and strength as a man to refuse such an offer. The spirit was willing, but the flesh was weak. I want my MC's spirit to be in a strong body. But please, if your MC burns out like Tommy, move on, move on.

I wouldn't look at it that way. By the MC's weckie decision, he saves Dereck from a beating from Bert. I don't want to know what would happen if Derek put that sperm in Dawe Shake. Well, Derek might lose Ashley and my MC wouldn't have to swallow his sperm. After all, it's so much better to be a DIK.

That's right. The feelings are what matter. Without feelings, people become machines that only function. In Tommy's case, he only functions with drugs and sees sex with Heather as a necessary evil just so he can have the benefits of a girlfriend. Very desirable, but not for me.

I could have done without the shower scene with Jill. But my MC showers with Jill anyway, but behaves like a gentleman, because for my MC only the friendship with Jill counts.

For you, of course, the chick doesn't feel organic because you can't use your hand as much as you'd like.

The DPC game mechanic serves two different consumer groups. The somewhat immature players and the players who don't think BaDIK is a porn VN.

Chick makes the MC a mature character and the arguments for that are above.

 

[dalli_x]

Oh, these Chick players who want to convince others that only their way is the most correct and worthy.
Dik is a self-sufficient path, he is the complete opposite of Chick, but in contrast complements the stories of depth. This is the same as saying that water is real beauty and greatness, and fire is only destruction and death. Dude, fire allowed our ancestors to survive! Fire was the cause of Prometheus' torment.
The fact that you are faithful to only one girl does not automatically make you older or better than someone.
Does Tony Stark behave like a child? Definitely.
Is he fucking awesome?
Fucking yes. Tony Stark is bigger than any other character from a fucking Marvel movie, he's the reason why movies have become popular in general. Tony Stark is fucking MASSIVE DIK. Captain Americf is fucking MASSIVE CHICK.
To be honest, Chick is the biggest hypocrite in the game. At the end of episode 8, you can make absolutely all the main girls suffer. Yes, you can say that you shouldn't play like that, but the fucking game allows you to do so. If Pink didn't want us to play like this, he would have punished the fucking Chick player playing like Dik. But he doesn't punish the bitch!
Therefore, Chick is a fucking hypocrite who pretends to be a chick and a proper good guy, in fact an ordinary confused guy who does not know what he wants. There's nothing here that makes a guy mature or wise.

You also relate the CHICK way only to the girls. There are a lot of chick decisions that are not made because of the girls, but are about how the MC is perceived by others, how the MC defines himself.

But you can all play DIK for all I care. That's what everyone decides for themselves.

 

[ename144]

Yeah, I don't think that MC was given the opportunity to explore his views or even have his opinions challenged in the gender studies class. He certainly didn't learn anything other than that his instructor is perfectly fine with sexual harassment in the workplace so long as she holds the power. He was just kind of turned into a straw man and used as a punching bag when he wasn't just serving as an unpaid therapist for his classmates. I actually think that Derek got more out of the class than he did LOL.

I'd say the actual lesson is even simpler: Jade is a terrible teacher.

She's the one who lets the class run completely off the rails and passes people regardless of their grasp of the material. When Maya actually walked the MC through the material in the library he seemed at least marginally interested in it. So I think it's fair to say that whatever merits "feminism" might have in the BaDIK-verse, Jade's class wasn't the place to find them.

of all the things he done, this forced " morality " system is definitely the weakest part of the game.
Instead of the Follow your heart, it should be Follow the Mechanical System.
it is still not as bad as the our red string overly complicated system, but its still bad overall. We just learned to accept it.

But you can't force a moral debate, when it's a system that determine it, that often based on choices that characters should not even know.
Jill getting upset over me for picking Sage, I can understand. Jill dumping me, because she feel an invisible aura around me based on choices that has nothing to do with her, is the Bullshit system.

Affinity *isn't* a morality system. It's at most an indication of the MC's mindset, and most of the time it's not even a good measure of that. Affinity is probably best thought of as an affectation, a stylistic choice regarding how the MC presents himself.

Unfortunately, the system is really, *really* badly implemented. So it's needlessly complicated, often contradictory, and on occasion does come across as a bargain basement morality meter.

As you say, we've just learned to live with it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I was actually thinking the Restaurant, and the Elder home work. The later one, is simply the better choice, you make more money which is the priority.

Weed is not a big deal, Heroin would been different.
But the Rest I agree

actually going or not going to hospice is a little selfish but completely irrelevant, if MC doesn't go to pink rose, others will go, so that's what the gains are. it's just a matter of good example and little else

instead the problem with the roof is always Quinn, a mc who is interested in Maya or Sage should not go there on principle, and one interested in Bella or Jill should still avoid such behavior. what reason does MC have for wanting to spend time with Quinn and Tommy?

The MC must decide who will come to him and help clean. When J/M are at my MC, the path of Isabella is closed.

I don't see it as a crosssroad

if we are fully in Bella's route there is nothing to choose from, if we are not we can decide to call it quits for good, but accepting Bella's help to date is of no consequence with Maya and Josy (theories don't matter and I know that Bella staying over there is colossal nonsense)

 

[Kellermann]

so heres a question, anyone else want to sweep Sally off her feet?

.... oh also she got a top shelf booty too, where was she hiding that thing?

Indeed. DPC gave Sally and Zoey some Kardashian butt implants and has continually altered the proportions of many of the other girls. You would think with all of this altering he does, he might could fix Bella's ant insect waistline, but apparently that shit is the one thing that is off limits to him. That slider is locked for eternity.

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To answer your first question, though, yes I want to steal Magnar's girl.
Not too happy about Sally moving out of the spinner category, but I still want her. But only if she is still angry, pouting, or disgusted with me during sex.

 

[AchedCroissant]

that jerk is You

But I'm your jerk

 

[DrSoong]

In my opinion, it is still wrong to treat people unequally because we are all human beings. Moreover, the mistakes of the past should be corrected and not repeated. However, this cannot be politically decreed, because everyone has to decide this for themselves, and so inequality remains, whether it is regulated by law or not.

For me personally, the unequal treatment of people is an ethical and moral injustice that should be punished with justice if someone takes action against it. But that's my attitude on this issue.

A lot of inequality is because of personal decisions. I refused to visit University after my base degree in civil engineering, did some jobs and ended in my actual job. Surely i had been able to increase my income but i didn't had the ambition to climb up the career ladder.

And so are most women, they choose some job corresponding their interrests, they live and like their decisions. Only a few women want more but have no talent, these are called feminists.

 

[horusxcaen82]

Indeed. DPC gave Sally and Zoey some Kardashian butt implants and has continually altered the proportions of many of the other girls. You would think with all of this altering he does, he might could fix Bella's ant insect waistline, but apparently that shit is the one thing that is off limits to him. That slider is locked for eternity.

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To answer your first question, though, yes I want to steal Magnar's girl.
Not too happy about Sally moving out of the spinner category, but I still want her. But only if she is still angry, pouting, or disgusted with me during sex.

glad to know there are Sally lovers out there. I am unapologetically a filthy megane degen

 

[horusxcaen82]

The MC could very well lose the fight against Caleb. In EP8, the MC can decide whether or not to underestimate Caleb.

The same thing happens with the limo guy Benjamin Ingsfeldt. It doesn't matter if the MC advises the guy to play chess or not. He is the loser in both decisions. He doesn't win the chess tournament because he underestimates others. But if he is a DIK, he even gets kicked out of college for beating up the winner Philip Hoff.

I want the MC to get a re-match with Caleb and push his shit in, and it be in front of a large crowd so that its known around campus that he's a bad ass it would help the rivalry/war with the Alphas.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Why would the MC beat Caleb at the beginning of EP5? This is so wrong. Caleb didn't attack the MC personally, so the MC doesn't have to defend himself. With a DIK like Tommy, who doesn't get down easily, you can assume he will defend himself against Caleb. Oops. The most massive DIK stood there like a schoolboy. Besides, the DIKs got the information they wanted. But what happens when the MC escalates this confrontation? Jamie gets dragged into it. What do you think is the wiser decision?

Yes, Tybalt slaps the MC, which really only hurts him emotionally. Does that warrant a punch that costs Tybalt a few teeth? Ergo, an assault. Especially the prestige damage for the MC would be enormous.

The two chicks thing probably refers to the shower scene from EP4 Sage path, with Melanie and Sarah. If it's a challenge for you to get the MC to fuck them, then let your MC do it. But it takes more self-control and strength as a man to refuse such an offer. The spirit was willing, but the flesh was weak. I want my MC's spirit to be in a strong body. But please, if your MC burns out like Tommy, move on, move on.

I wouldn't look at it that way. By the MC's weckie decision, he saves Dereck from a beating from Bert. I don't want to know what would happen if Derek put that sperm in Dawe Shake. Well, Derek might lose Ashley and my MC wouldn't have to swallow his sperm. After all, it's so much better to be a DIK.

That's right. The feelings are what matter. Without feelings, people become machines that only function. In Tommy's case, he only functions with drugs and sees sex with Heather as a necessary evil just so he can have the benefits of a girlfriend. Very desirable, but not for me.

I could have done without the shower scene with Jill. But my MC showers with Jill anyway, but behaves like a gentleman, because for my MC only the friendship with Jill counts.

For you, of course, the chick doesn't feel organic because you can't use your hand as much as you'd like.

The DPC game mechanic serves two different consumer groups. The somewhat immature players and the players who don't think BaDIK is a porn VN.

Chick makes the MC a mature character and the arguments for that are above.

Talking with you is like taking Jade gender class. You are incapable to accept that your views are flawed..
A Dik MC can achieve everything that a Chick MC does, He just do it Better. .
Personally enjoying something more is one thing, it's another when you try to force some kind of narrative that not true.
But it's partly DPC fault, he described the difference very badly. Wich you take way to literally, and now you think you are right because of it

 

[lipe2410]

what reason does MC have for wanting to spend time with Quinn and Tommy?

He went because Tommy ask him and since were Hell Week and Tommy were his "father" MC have some reasons to not annoy him.

What i could see as a "ilogical" act of a MC invest in MJ, Jill or Bella is the choice to fuck Quinn (and not simply smoke weed0 but even that could also be justifed, as i see, because MC was high.

 

[SavageKing]

What do you mean by 'game ends'. Do you get any end-of-game message, or error message, or does it just disappear?

It might be that you are using a mod. DPC hates them and drops in landmines to 'disappear' games that use them. If you are using a mod, you might check to see if you have the latest version.

Otherwise, you might have overreached the limits of your computer. This game takes up a lot of resources.

I meant Like the end of that episode and I had to wait until the developer made another season or more content.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I'd say the actual lesson is even simpler: Jade is a terrible teacher.

She's the one who lets the class run completely off the rails and passes people regardless of their grasp of the material. When Maya actually walked the MC through the material in the library he seemed at least marginally interested in it. So I think it's fair to say that whatever merits "feminism" might have in the BaDIK-verse, Jade's class wasn't the place to find them.



Affinity *isn't* a morality system. It's at most an indication of the MC's mindset, and most of the time it's not even a good measure of that. Affinity is probably best thought of as an affectation, a stylistic choice regarding how the MC presents himself.

Unfortunately, the system is really, *really* badly implemented. So it's needlessly complicated, often contradictory, and on occasion does come across as a bargain basement morality meter.

As you say, we've just learned to live with it.

Unfortunately that's the impression, just look at Dalix. .

 

[Bendover885]

I'd say the actual lesson is even simpler: Jade is a terrible teacher.

She's the one who lets the class run completely off the rails and passes people regardless of their grasp of the material.

Welcome to a Half-term Special Topics class, where everything's made-up and the grades don't matter.

 

[DrSoong]

Never knew you are scripted to lose that fight. I guess the part in ep8 when MC thinks about fight Caleb and punching the bag makes more sense now. Don't count on DPC and his questionable plot choices though. If it were me, I wouldn't have done the sleep humping with Jill in ep3.

A far as i know you don't have the chance to win, either you loose or the fight gets interrupted.