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Dare I go on a five paragraph rant about what the expression might convey... nah I'm partially face blind anyway :KEK: DPC sets the absolute standard in his use of facial expressions to build character and set scenes, and Quinn is probably tied with Bella for his best work in that regard imho. As for the scene itself, to me Quinn's eyes look glassy and her lip is slightly quirked (though this could be because of the cigarette) which gives her a kind of bittersweet expression. I'll be interested to see if this is a preview of a scene we get if we're on her path or if it happens regardless, since she's still a key figure in the main story. So it's difficult to guess if the person she's texting there is the MC or someone else she cares about, maybe related to her final scene of the last episode and her reason for selling drugs.

Anyway, I've missed my queen and the preview pic is hinting at some nice development, I am hype fellow Quinnstars :KappaPride:
 

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I don't think there will be a MC/Tommy/Heather threesome (other than a MC/JB/Elena) cause Tommy would not allow someone to bang Heather. A MMF threesome including him would mostly happen with any other girl to keep him the only one to bang Heather.
Oh. If Tommy's smart, he'll let the MC fuck Heather every time he's back on the plus. The MC won the sperm petition and if something goes wrong, the kid will at least resemble Tommy.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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Mods have deleted a post of mine because "fetish shaming". What is calling "vanilla babies" to people that don´t want to see more cocks that the strictly necessaries?

And what Sage would be actually saying there is "your are not man enough for me, so I need two, even if you are not bi and are not going to enjoy a threesome with another guy". I don´t think most of the players, "vanilla babies for you", would like that. I would not like even that question, for sure. In that case, I would like a third option "To forget about Sage and call Bella/Jill/Quinn/Lily/Riona..."
Calling a group 'vanilla babies' isn't kink shaming. They don't have a kink. At best it's 'lack of kink shaming'. But that's semantics anyway. The reason I use the term is because if a creator includes completly consensual group sex, in which all parties agree to participate, involving an extra guy, people get mad and shout about NTR and cuckolding. Despite the fact that it isn't really either and certianly wouldnt count as NTR. The frustation for people who enjoy things like MMF threesomes is that creators are affraid to do content like that because of the reaction by a certain vocal part of the fan base.

Secondly there are two ways to play the game. One involves self insertion (I am the MC) and the other involes outside observation (i'm reading a story). If you are self inserting as the MC and your love interest tells you about a fantasy, that you can either engage in or avoid it isn't NTR. You, as the MC, have a choice to avoid the scenario so it doesn't happen or you choose to participate. It still isn't NTR if you go ahead with it as no one is cheating any more than in a threesome with a woman. If you are an outside observor choose whichever option makes for a more interesting story.

You understand that Quinn, Riona, Lily, (as well as Camilla, Sarah, Melanie, & Nicole) are all literal whores right? (god bless 'em) You're saying you would rather have the option to leave a girl who has a threesome fantasy and go date girls who suck and fuck random cock through glory holes on the reg? Bella is married, and obviously has very complicated feelings about her ex. Jill is a goblin (jokes I like Jill... her model can be ugly though)

A person having a fantasy (any fantasy) does not mean they are saying thier partner can't satisfy them. They are simply saying they find an idea, a thought, to be a turn on. It could be public sex, being dominated, not wearing underwear in public, fucking on thier brothers bed, banging a student, any number of things can be a fantasy. Now if you DP'd a LI once and they wanted to do it again and again because they can't get off without it anymore that's a different matter (still not NTR if it's consensual).

Anyway, you really, really, really don't need to worry about it. There is zero chance of DPC involving one of the core love interests in a MMF threesome. Which really rather makes this entire conversation redundant and a waste of both of our time.;)
 
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Ilhares

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Thats a biggggg if
I think, based solely on what we've seen in-game, it's reasonable to argue that Tommy is most definitely Not Smart. Occasionally quick-witted, and cocky, and impulsive, but not very smart.

I think his life with smooth out a little when he relents and confesses his feelings for Josy. Once he lets go of that pain he can grow as a human being who is learning to handle his emotions.
 

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I think, based solely on what we've seen in-game, it's reasonable to argue that Tommy is most definitely Not Smart. Occasionally quick-witted, and cocky, and impulsive, but not very smart.
Yeah, i'd say Josy has pretty valid reasons to suspect Tommy only got through high school thanks to cheating.
 

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I saw a bunch of people saying that Dr.Pinkcake should add this or that kink and whatnot and this remind me a little bit of Foot of the Mountains, where the dev tried to add everything that people wanted and the game went to shit. I mean, this game is more story driven with focus on romance (and that's one of the reasons why this thread have 10124 pages at the moment and a lot of patreons) and if some kinks wouldn't fit in the game, then so be it. This way the sex scenes won't feel forced. At the end of the day the dev should stay true to his original idea because that's how the game will make more sense to the player.
 

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As someone catching up, let me take your minds off the mundanity of conflict by reminding you of . Cost me my drink, too.
 
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I think, based solely on what we've seen in-game, it's reasonable to argue that Tommy is most definitely Not Smart. Occasionally quick-witted, and cocky, and impulsive, but not very smart.

I think his life with smooth out a little when he relents and confesses his feelings for Josy. Once he lets go of that pain he can grow as a human being who is learning to handle his emotions.
Tommy is definitely not very "academically" intelligent, let alone emotionally intelligent. But his street-smartness cannot be denied, though this advantage is often offset by the fact that he can't control his emotions and impulses for shit.
 
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Tommy is definitely not very "academically" intelligent, let alone emotionally intelligent. But his street-smartness cannot be denied, though this advantage is often offset by the fact that he can't control his emotions and impulses for shit.
His street smarts can't be that good either if the only other person he can go to is Vinnie.
 

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You are right. Originally DPC did want the game to be voiced. However, it further complicated game development to the point that he decided to drop it after, IIRC, the first episode. I, for one, don't miss it. Voice acting for this kind of content is the kind of thing that has to be done superbly or should not be done at all, in my opinion. Anything less than top-of-the-line professional voice actors just ruin the experience, at least for me.
Oh no, I agree with you completely. I'm glad he scrapped it. I just never knew whether he decided to scrap it or because the voice actors backed out. I was just wondering if anyone still had that version just for the sake of seeing it again.
It's just that I had randomly remembered there being voice overs at one point and was wondering whatever happened to it.
 

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The sliding puzzle is close to impossible for me as well, but with the Triple Tile I think I just get stuck in my head or something. I've gotten into the 30s, so I know what I'm doing, but I lose whatever patience I have and just start making dumb mistakes.
Oh just get the first row lined up then the rest is more manageable. I had trouble with it at first too. Something about it not being physically in my hands is what threw me off.
 

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Yes he lost some time with those things and Covid. This episode is likely to take him 6 to 12 weeks longers that episode 8. Which was already 7 weeks longer than episode 7 and 6 weeks longer than episode 6. I'm not giving to much extra time allowance to mini games and stuff since he has added new content like this fairly regularly over the years.

That said, you're right animations are a tricky thing to judge, but 'still renders' are a good indication. The last confirmed update was for week 27 with 3569 completed. The same week for epsiode 8 he had 4130 and episode 7 had released with 3723 4 weeks earlier.

As i've talked about in the past his production averages are way down. 16 fewer stills a week and 5.8 fewer animtions. Over 27 weeks of production (last confrimed numbers) he is 432 'stills' down on episode 8 and 157 animations. Yes animations are hard to judge, but even if some are much longer than normal i still think this is a bit behind.
So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:
  • the music needing to be removed from the game
  • covid
  • itch.io thing
  • the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")
I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.
 
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So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:
  • the music needing to be removed from the game
  • covid
  • itch.io thing
  • the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")
I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.
im of the belief that the "one release per calendar year" is going to be the norm. my reasoning for that belief is that he has made every episode bigger than the one that came before. if he continues to do all the work solo, there wont be any time for him to save anywhere in the production process. his creative ambitions can only be stopped by the workload bottleneck that he creates for himself.

also he makes more money the longer this game takes to finish, this is common knowledge to all of us and DPC himself. he has no reason to speed this gravy train along any faster, and he produces work of a high enough quality that he wont seriously be considered to be milking it from his patrons.
 

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I saw a bunch of people saying that Dr.Pinkcake should add this or that kink and whatnot and this remind me a little bit of Foot of the Mountains, where the dev tried to add everything that people wanted and the game went to shit. I mean, this game is more story driven with focus on romance (and that's one of the reasons why this thread have 10124 pages at the moment and a lot of patreons) and if some kinks wouldn't fit in the game, then so be it. This way the sex scenes won't feel forced. At the end of the day the dev should stay true to his original idea because that's how the game will make more sense to the player.
I think it would be weird (and even unsettling) if DPC suddenly started adding extreme kinks, like lolis or beastiality. I just never thought of MMF threesomes as extreme. I mean, they're all over mainstream porn and seem plenty popular. I don't understand why some are acting like MMF is the same as scat or necro porn.

FOTM went to shit, in my view, because advancing the story requires endless repetition and events are so random that playing without a walkthrough is virtually impossible. But the lewd scenes and scenarios were quite hot and I think the relationship between Daniel and Aunt Melissa is one for the ages.
 

ename144

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so why when i decided to fight Tommy I got a DIK affinity when i made 6 Dik Choices (including to fight Tommy) and 4 chick choices? is it because I made like 4 DIK choices in a row?
DIK or CHICK Affinity (not Status) is temporarily set when you have made 2 or more choices of one type than the other; a difference of 1 or less results in Neutral Affinity. Making 6 DIK and 4 CHICK choices would switch your Affinity to DIK, which seems to be what you're describing. If your next choice was CHICK (giving you 6 DIK and 5 CHICK), the difference would be only 1 and your Affinity would change to Neutral. Make another 3 CHICK choices and your Affinity would become CHICK.

Or at least it would temporarily. There's also permanent Affinities which work differently. You gain permanent DIK or CHICK Affinity if you remove all the boxes on the other side of the meter. That requires a total of 11 choices of one type - e.g. you'd gain permanent DIK Affinity if you made 11 DIK choices, regardless of how many CHICK choices you made (and vice versa). The catch is that there are only 15 Major Decisions in the game, so it's impossible to make 11 choices of one type as soon as you've made 5 choices of each type. In that case your Affinity will be permanently set to Neutral... but only once you've made the 15 choice (deciding whether to cheat on the mid-terms in Episode 8).

So in your example fighting Tommy changes your Affinity to DIK because you only had 4 CHICK choices, a difference of 2. If you make another 5 DIK choices you'd gain permanent DIK Affinity on the 15th Major Decision. But if you make a single additional CHICK choice you will be committed to permanent Neutral Affinity near the end of Episode 8 (your temporary Affinity at any given time before that would depend on the ratio of choices at that time).

Hopefully that helps; I know it's a bit of a headache to keep straight.


Quick question: I used to jump on once a week or so and search for anything posted by N7 to get the latest updates, but they haven't posted in a while and I know there have been other updates and previews. Is there a key forum figure that I should be looking up instead these days? Thanks brothers.
There's been too much variability lately to make a simple rule of thumb; better just to go through the posts on Friday until you find the update. You can try searching my posts on Fridays since I will post some charts and include a link to the update post, but I only do that if there's something to chart and DPC frequently avoids numbers in his updates. :(


Yes he lost some time with those things and Covid. This episode is likely to take him 6 to 12 weeks longers that episode 8. Which was already 7 weeks longer than episode 7 and 6 weeks longer than episode 6. I'm not giving to much extra time allowance to mini games and stuff since he has added new content like this fairly regularly over the years.

That said, you're right animations are a tricky thing to judge, but 'still renders' are a good indication. The last confirmed update was for week 27 with 3569 completed. The same week for epsiode 8 he had 4130 and episode 7 had released with 3723 4 weeks earlier.

As i've talked about in the past his production averages are way down. 16 fewer stills a week and 5.8 fewer animtions. Over 27 weeks of production (last confrimed numbers) he is 432 'stills' down on episode 8 and 157 animations. Yes animations are hard to judge, but even if some are much longer than normal i still think this is a bit behind.
I agree that DPC's development seems slower, but I don't think Statics are a reliable way to verify that because we know DPC can render them nearly as fast as he can pose them. That makes their render rate too variable to use as a proper metric; all it tells us is that DPC is spending his time on something other than posing statics. We don't know if he's posing inordinately complicated/lengthy animations, coding new features/mini-games, planning his next marketing release, or what have you. It's basically the same problem we have using animations as a consistent metric, just one step removed.


So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:
  • the music needing to be removed from the game
  • covid
  • itch.io thing
  • the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")
I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.
Eh, I think SomboSteel had the right idea. Until DPC demonstrates he's willing to cut ideas to keep the updates a manageable size, the best prediction is to take the time for the last update and add 15-30% to it (not counting the Interlude). Every now and then you might be pleasantly surprised, the rest of the time you'll be in the ballpark.
 

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Tommy is definitely not very "academically" intelligent, let alone emotionally intelligent. But his street-smartness cannot be denied, though this advantage is often offset by the fact that he can't control his emotions and impulses for shit.
His street smarts can't be that good either if the only other person he can go to is Vinnie.
First of all, I wrote if, when Tommy is smart. That actually implies so he isn't.

CoalPhelps is right. He must have a certain street-smartness, though, because Tommy somehow cheated his way into college.

Ilhares street smarts has nothing to do with who he can go to to buy his drugs. We learn in EP8 so Tommy asked several contacts and only Vinny remained. I think the reason for that is more so those contacts don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore. This can have different reasons. For example, maybe he still has debts to these people or these people don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore because he is just unsympathetic or Tommy has done something unacceptable.

Tommy is good at blaming others. He lies and cheats. The best example is the work in the Pink Rose. In EP6 or EP7, before working at the Pink Rose, Leon asks Tommy if they could have some fun there. Tommy answers so Leon doesn't have to worry about that and everything is settled. This already smells like a bad deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy stole money from the Pink Rose. Haven't you noticed so that when the MC in the Pink Rose represents Tommy, no other DIK is there. The MC cleans up on his own. Very strange isn't it?

Just as strange is so the MC can collect money in Tommy's premises in the last Freeroam event of EP8. Strange because Tommy is waiting for Vinny to buy drugs at that time. Did Tommy forget his money? Tommy is not at the Mansion and if the money disappears, he can deny ever embezzling money and blame it on the MC. How? With the help of Tania.

Tania offers her services in Tommy's room. The money she gets for her service she left with the whiskey and cigarettes. When the MC takes the money, it can't have been Tommy because he is not in the Mansion. Tania then tells the madame and the shit hits the fan. If the MC doesn't take the money, the suspicion sticks with Tommy. Tania keeps the money for her service and Tommy comes back to the Mansion with drugs. Tania tells this and the madame puts 1 and 1 together. Tommy could be in serious trouble for messing with the underworld.
 
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His street smarts can't be that good either if the only other person he can go to is Vinnie.
I think the reason for that is more so those contacts don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore. This can have different reasons. For example, maybe he still has debts to these people or these people don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore because he is just unsympathetic or Tommy has done something unacceptable.
My thoughts exactly. Tommy's problem with suppliers is not that he doesn't know how to find them, but that he is considered an unreliable partner He interferes with personal affairs and emotions in business, which puts them at risk, which of course no one likes.
 
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