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Hahn1900

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Maybe split updates isn't the best idea but i think most people would agree he should start making smaller updates like he used in the beggining of this game and just make updates with 1550 to 2500 renders taking it to 3 or 4 months of waiting like his earlier updates and let's be real 1500 to 2500 renders is still a pretty big updates compared to other games updates he can't keep making updates always bigger than the last or do you think waiting 2 years for 2 updates is aceptable ??? all i'm saying is i love this game and i didn't mind the earlier updates being 1550 to 2500 renders i thought the updates were great and didn't feel they were too small plus i still remember his first game acting lesson he finished the game in 7 months one update each month and while that game only had 300 to 700 renders per update the updates still felt pretty big.
Plus the interlude could have been sumarized in the newest update with one or two scenes and we would have gotten the update earlier instead or getting a single character update which i think most people aren't really that interested in .
Nope it dont think its acceptable to get 2 updates in 2 years (or one in one year) but i dont think that it will be this way.

DPC started to develop ep 9 in march, late march even... after all we know now, it will be released within the next 6-8 weeks, so overall it will take around 9 months and a little more to finish it...

It will be the biggest episode so far, with the most complex animations so far, and THOSE animations took the majority time to render... in fact, he was pretty much done with the whole episode 3 weeks ago, only the animations and polishing was left to do. And now only the animations are left and the play testing by others...

Its fair to say, he went overboard with the animations, and i think he will realise that.

But... he can upgrade his slaves, buying some RTX 4090 for this will make it much faster to render these animations in the future. So even if ep 10 will be as big as ep 9, the whole rendering will be faster, and you can bet your ass that he will upgrade his hardware, ccause until now, he always did as soon something was available... wouldnt surprise me if he already has some RTX 4090 lying around but just didnt wanted to upgrade during the process.

but if you ask me... ep9 will be the "peak" for the biggest episode, and i would guess ep10 will be around the amount of ep 7 maybe which will be about 30% less than ep9 will get.

All that in mind, i would say its more likely that the next episode will get out faster and will be a little bit smaller than this one, and we will get it in around 6 months...

And looking at the progress numbers... he hasnt slowed down, you can see that by the post of mpa71 (btw, awesome work)
 

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Maybe split updates isn't the best idea but i think most people would agree he should start making smaller updates like he used in the beggining of this game and just make updates with 1550 to 2500 renders taking it to 3 or 4 months of waiting like his earlier updates and let's be real 1500 to 2500 renders is still a pretty big updates compared to other games updates he can't keep making updates always bigger than the last or do you think waiting 2 years for 2 updates is aceptable :unsure: all i'm saying is i love this game and i didn't mind the earlier updates being 1550 to 2500 renders i thought the updates were great and didn't feel they were too small plus i still remember his first game acting lesson he finished the game in 7 months one update each month and while that game only had 300 to 700 renders per update the updates still felt pretty big.
Plus the interlude could have been sumarized in the newest update with one or two scenes and we would have gotten the update earlier instead or getting a single character update which i think most people aren't really that interested in .
Hard to make a shorter update when you've got 9 (if I remember correctly what he said a while back) distinct routes that marginally intertwine whereas before all the routes (of which there was maybe 6 until final decisions of Episode 8) would intertwine with each other almost completely. To do a smaller update that would come out 2-3 times a year would mean we progress maybe half a day at most in each update and some routes would see no progression.
 
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Nope it dont think its acceptable to get 2 updates in 2 years (or one in one year) but i dont think that it will be this way.

DPC started to develop ep 9 in march, late march even... after all we know now, it will be released within the next 6-8 weeks, so overall it will take around 9 months and a little more to finish it...

It will be the biggest episode so far, with the most complex animations so far, and THOSE animations took the majority time to render... in fact, he was pretty much done with the whole episode 3 weeks ago, only the animations and polishing was left to do. And now only the animations are left and the play testing by others...

Its fair to say, he went overboard with the animations, and i think he will realise that.

But... he can upgrade his slaves, buying some RTX 4090 for this will make it much faster to render these animations in the future. So even if ep 10 will be as big as ep 9, the whole rendering will be faster, and you can bet your ass that he will upgrade his hardware, ccause until now, he always did as soon something was available... wouldnt surprise me if he already has some RTX 4090 lying around but just didnt wanted to upgrade during the process.

but if you ask me... ep9 will be the "peak" for the biggest episode, and i would guess ep10 will be around the amount of ep 7 maybe which will be about 30% less than ep9 will get.

All that in mind, i would say its more likely that the next episode will get out faster and will be a little bit smaller than this one, and we will get it in around 6 months...

And looking at the progress numbers... he hasnt slowed down, you can see that by the post of mpa71 (btw, awesome work)
Yeah you 're right hopefully after this huge update he upgrades his setup and tries to scale down his updates just a bit i mean he has to see making an update bigger each time isn't optimal expecially if takes more than a year hopefully we get the update in decemeber and i hope he won't make more standalone updates like the interlude that slow down updates to the main game.
 

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Maybe split updates isn't the best idea but i think most people would agree he should start making smaller updates like he used in the beggining of this game and just make updates with 1550 to 2500 renders taking it to 3 or 4 months of waiting like his earlier updates and let's be real 1500 to 2500 renders is still a pretty big updates compared to other games updates he can't keep making updates always bigger than the last or do you think waiting 2 years for 2 updates is aceptable :unsure: all i'm saying is i love this game and i didn't mind the earlier updates being 1550 to 2500 renders i thought the updates were great and didn't feel they were too small plus i still remember his first game acting lesson he finished the game in 7 months one update each month and while that game only had 300 to 700 renders per update the updates still felt pretty big.
Plus the interlude could have been sumarized in the newest update with one or two scenes and we would have gotten the update earlier instead or getting a single character update which i think most people aren't really that interested in .
I don't want short updates, never liked them and they are infuriating when you wait months for an hour of gameplay. He just needs to buy a damn RTX4090 to speed up the rendering of those fucking slow animations.
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It's easy to see that after Episode 6 he bought new equipment and needs to do it all over again.
 

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Hard to make a shorter update when you've got 9 (if I remember correctly what he said a while back) distinct routes that marginally intertwine whereas before all the routes (of which there was maybe 6 until final decisions of Episode 8) would intertwine with each other almost completely. To do a smaller update that would come out 2-3 times a year would mean we progress maybe half a day at most in each update and some routes would see no progression.
I get that's it's hard for him with soo many routes and a lot of decisions in the game but you got to admit it would be better getting 3 2500 render updates a year than a 6000 renders per year plus if he keeps making the updates bigger we might be waiting for more than one year for updates he should atleast scale down updates just a bit.
 
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I don't want short updates, never liked them and they are infuriating when you wait months for an hour of gameplay. He just needs to buy a damn RTX4090 to speed up the rendering of those fucking slow animations.
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It's easy to see that after Episode 6 he bought new equipment and needs to do it all over again.
I mean i didn't think any of the earlier updates were small most game updates are usually 1000 renders or lower for example another one of my favourite game city of broken dreamers the dev makes around 700 to 1000 renders per update and i still think the updates are pretty big all i'm saying is he should scale down a bit i think we can all agree updates with 2500 to 3000 renders are pretty big and i think he should scale back his renders a bit or we will have to start to wait longer than a year for updates hopefully he upgrades his setup and updates get a bit faster.
 

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I mean i didn't think any of the earlier updates were small most game updates are usually 1000 renders or lower for example another one of my favourite game city of broken dreamers the dev makes around 700 to 1000 renders per update and i still think the updates are pretty big all i'm saying is he should scale down a bit i think we can all agree updates with 2500 to 3000 renders are pretty big and i think he should scale back his renders a bit or we will have to start to wait longer than a year for updates hopefully he upgrades his setup and updates get a bit faster.
Again. Static renderers, of which 4000+ are not a problem at all. Of course, they can be slightly reduced, cut out something really unnecessary, well, reduced from 5k to 4k. Minor game optimization.
But the biggest problem is the animations. They are considered separately and are the most difficult part of development, as they require huge performance resources. If animations are at 30FPS, then every second consists of 30 renders... and animated dynamic shadows, reflections, lighting system are added to this. I won't be surprised if Ep.9 animations use RAY-tracing technology... So more performance this first way to speed up. Ep.8 cycle is not a problem for me, but this one is getting very big. And there are still Episodes ahead and we do not know how life will turn out tomorrow.
 

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Was ... there some kind of connection between those two? I thought it was all just fan theories based on the house shown in the diary flashbacks and Jill's family's house.
But ofcourse, perhaps check the moment MC looks at the diary.
And not only that... look at the picture with lynette and her friends.

The house looks like jills home,
The one on the left obviously is jills best friends mom, hence that bianca and the girl on the left wear the same necklace.
Thats awfull strong hints, too strong really.
dunno who the one on the right might be.
So yea connection right there.
 

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> I have also significantly increased the render quality of both static renders and animations for episode 9

Sounds cool, but why? After a point, increasing render quality will give diminishing results with far more rendering time. I doubt more than 15%-20% of his patrons play the VN on a 4k monitor, it is just waste of resources at this point. Even moreso with animations - the animations already look fine, there is no need to improve the quality more, unless the actual animation is more complex.
 

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Wouldn't it have been better to use the interlude to focus more on what the connection was between mc's mom and jill's mom and co, i mean i'm kinde curious about that, not much have been shown about it.
altho this may still yet come considering reading the diary not completed yet. >.<
If DPC didn't dedicate the Interlude to getting to know Zoe(Chloe? IDFR) he would have had to waste so much time during ep9 to explain what we thought happened vs the reality(the picture). It also allows him to flesh out her character/personality, i.e. is she a bitch or not. Everything concerning MCs Mom/Jill's family can more easily, and better for the story, by being explained through Jill(like it helps keep her story interesting if you don't get together with her).
 

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Time for crazy theories. Today I caught myself thinking that Madame Rose does not exist. Why? Let's go back to Episodes 3 and 4. Pink Rose events. In these two events, we get to know all the girls. Lily, Nicole, Brandi, Rose(girl with MC's face), Sandy, the bartender. Tommy mentions Tanya. No Madame Rose.
In Episode 7 we are introduced to Madame Rose if we have chosen a strip club. Then, when in Episode 8, during cleaning, we communicate with all the girls, except ... Madame Rose and Brandi. No one from DIK knows Madame and never mentions her. In Pink Rose we never see her and none of the girls mention her. She doesn't look like a part of this world, she simply doesn't exist in it. That's all. It's a fucking hallucination of DIK MC starting to lose his mind.
If you choose a strip club - you are just a horndog who don't care about your DIK brothers and your mind starts to go crazy from spermotoxicosis. Actually, instead of Madame...Brandi or nothing. It is likely that the MC looks at the air and leaves the money in an empty booth. The club staff doesn't mind if a strange guy comes and just leaves money.
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Or Madame Rose was created much later in the development as a money sink.

Did DPC says its taking to long:unsure: If DPC is right then I think Mid December is very real and who knows maybe it will be sooner one can only hope but at least there is light at the end of tunnel
4 to 5 weeks fo finish renders. 1 to 2 weeks for testing.
That puts us from 5 to 7 weeks from today.
Add to that that this is the biggest episode ever. So I think is naive to expect for testing to require the minimal instead of maximun time. After the testing would be bug fix and releasing. Lets hope this is a bug free. Finally we have to think that festivities are around the corner and DPC is not gonna sacrifice those because we want the release as early as posible.
So yeah, late december at the earliest. Last week of december or january more likely.
 
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