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It does.And if it makes you feel a little less targetted, I wasn't thinking of your cock specifically when I was referring to the crybabies and their flaccid members.
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Just a little addition - MC talks about past while he is still in B&R.
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After reading DPC's messeage, I have to say, I've never doubted that he's totally commited with his work, he's not deliberately stalling the developement in order to get more money from patrons, you can tell that he love Being a DIK as his own son, but that being said... It's really worth it to have that long, complicate and hard to render animations that have caused to miss Halloween as a realistic realease date? I'm aware that it's just a matter of taste, some people will love it, but for me, it's just not necessary or worth it. I've deeply enjoyed episode 3, 4 or 5, where the animation count was shorter.
Rock albums? Let's be honest, if Riona ever got famous, it'd be for penning erotica bestsellers in the world where people can't talk dirty if their erection depended on it.
- Nov 10, 2020
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It could be bigger it depends if the long ass wait time hurt hype for the game. DPC wants to be the George Lucas or Steve Jobs of AVN every time an episode comes out its the biggest thing out there. But will work what happens if it takes two years for one update? DPC is lucky he's a one man show apple fired Steve and George sold the biggest IP in the world to a mouse the only thing that can happen to Pink is people stop buying and playing his game. All that being said I just look forward to playing the update and then will skin him
Pls no, i don't think i could stand the Ewoks showing up.
- Nov 10, 2020
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Some think the Ewoks ate the stormtroopers after the battle of Endor are you telling me you wouldn't want Tybalt or Madame to run into one of those little guys
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I agree with DPC that quality takes time and I'm not going to complain about the production times in and of themselves. But I also think he's completely ducking out of the question of whether he's using his time effectively.
It's hard to believe there's no fat to cut out of the game when Madame Rose has been given such a prominent spot in the last two episodes, for example. It's also unclear how much value these lavish animations are adding to the game. Personally, I feel like the added lighting has actually make the new renders look worse than the more simplistic versions in Season 1; it makes minute flaws stand out more and calls attention away from the emotional content that (IMHO) should be the focus. And a lot of the animations in the Interlude (Zoey spinning on the stool, the small motions of characters in the tattoo parlor, etc.) were annoying distractions. The game would have been better for using simple static renders.
The term 'gilding the lily' exists for a reason: at best you're wasting huge resources beautifying something that was already beautiful, and at worst you're replacing a natural beauty with something artificial and tacky. The point being that even once the game is completed, there's no guarantee DPC's inability to cut content will have made the game better simply because it has more stuff in it.
Now obviously that's going to be a judgement call and DPC is certainly in a position to make that call. For all the high gloss and professionalism DPC cultivates, at the end of the day BaDIK is a passion project; he's telling the story he wants to see. I can respect that even if I don't agree, but does make me worry about the future of this game. Creating art is always a delicate balancing act: focus too much on the audience and you have nothing to say worth hearing, but focus too little on the audience and no one will be able to understand the message you do have. If DPC is laser-focused on his own ideal to the exclusion of all else, the end result is likely to be extremely idiosyncratic.
As far as Episodes 10-12 being smaller than Episode 9, I'm afraid I'm going to have to be extremely cynical here. I get that DPC is really excited about the Halloween events, but from my point of view he's deluding himself. First, because DPC already undermined the Halloween party by making it the third giant party in a row; if he knew Episode 9 was going to have a heavy party focus, maybe do something else in Episode 8 to cleanse the palate. It's especially bad since several of the post-crossroads relationships are difficult to mesh with a big frat party: Jill is unlikely to attend, and Bella and Maya/Josy need to be kept secret. For those branches, the party feels more like a minefield than a celebration. That's an awkward place to stage such a massive set-piece.
There's also the question of what comes next. DPC can say he plans to go smaller, but he hasn't really demonstrated he can do that. The closest thing to a smaller episode he's attempted was Episode 5, which starts with a wall-to-wall fuckfest at the preps party then slams us with the destruction of the mansion AND a side-helping of Bella/Jill antics. He doesn't seem to like the idea of lulls in the story, even though they're an important part of making the peaks feel significant. Until he shows that he's capable of restraint, I think it's entirely fair to worry about him padding out Episodes 10-12 with empty spectacle just to keep them from feeling short/cheap. That has some short term appeal, but it may actually make the story of the game worse in the long run despite the added production time.
Hopefully I'm wrong to worry. If the party-planning mini-game works like the mansion repair game (we work towards a long-term goal all season long), maybe DPC really does intend to go a little more low key in Season 3. That would help the Halloween party stand out, and at least give us a shot at some smaller, tighter episodes 10-12. So we shouldn't lose hope. But man, seeing DPC make comments like the one above does nothing to nurture that hope.
Yes, precisely this. If that 1:23 animation achieves something a short animation could not (be it staging, emotional content, titillation, what have you), then DPC is doing the right thing and the long production times, while unfortunate, are ultimately a good thing. But if we could achieve the same effect with a couple of 10 second animations and some better editing, then DPC's perfectionism is ultimately harming his own game, whether he wants to admit that or not.
We'll see where we stand (relatively) soon.
Honestly, I'm not really a fan of pausing Patreon payments. Obviously milking exists and it's a bad thing, but at the same quality DOES take time and I don't think creators should be ashamed of that. To me, pausing payments should be reserved for cases where the game production really is halted, like if a dev needs to shelve his hobby for an extended time to focus on his actual job, that sort of thing.
Otherwise, even if the dev isn't working as quickly as they themselves want, I think it would be better if they left payments on and left it up to us as patrons to decide whether their output is worthwhile. If we want to hold devs' feet to the fire, I think transparency is a much better tool: we should insist on regular communications that properly convey what is being worked on and where the targets are. In that sense I think DPC scores fairly well despite the long production times, though a few more numbers in the early process would be nice.
Not to rain on your parade, but as I said above, I'm not sure how well integrated this Halloween special is going to be. It's an awkward fit with 3 of the 5 branches, to say nothing of reintroducing Zoey. I feel like it's another victim of the way DPC mishandled the crossroads.Just a little optimistic perspective to share regarding the duration of episode 9's development.
A lot of popular games here follow a tradition of a Halloween and/or a Christmas special. I find these tedious as they are typically a complete break from the game's canon. It's painful because it has nothing to do with the story other than using the same characters (even if some of them aren't even in character for the special), and obviously the main game development grinds to a halt during this process.
We've already had the deviation of the Interlude that many feel was highly unnecessary, so if DPC took another break from the game's core just to do a random Halloween special, that'd be another kick in the balls.
Instead, we have a fully integrated Halloween special embedded into the main story. An episode, and a special, all rolled into one. Where instead of a deviation from the main story, the Halloween component continues the story. I'd rather that, than a special, anytime.
So, at the end of the day, or year as the case may be... When episode 9 comes out, it'll be episode 9 plus a special. Perhaps justifying the excessive wait this episode has enforced on us. And perhaps future episodes won't be this long.
Like I said, an optimistic perspective, even if shrouded in delusion.
But we'll see. I appreciate you trying to keep my spirits up.
There may be some crybabies out there, but I think the vast majority are just frustrated because building a team *IS* the proper response to a project that is beyond the scope of a single individual. Even in the world of art, visionaries still benefit from support. It took a lot of supervision by George Lucas for ILM to deliver the special effects that make the original Star Wars trilogy legendary, but I doubt we'd have been even better off waiting for Lucas to personally craft each of those effects himself. Indeed, the success of Empire suggests we might have benefitted from Lucas needing to work through the right intermediaries.
But at the end of the day, running a business is a very different thing than developing a game. George Lucas was comfortable becoming a businessman to make it easier to create movies; Dr Pink Cake isn't comfortable becoming a businessman to make it easier to produce games. It's a shame for us, but it is what it is.
So no, I don't think people wishing DPC would hire a team are being crybabies. I do think they're ultimately lamenting that we live in an imperfect world, so there's not much to be gained debating the matter. But they aren't being malicious or stupid, and it can be cathartic to vent about it once in a while. Cut them a little slack.
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Are you sure?
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- Jun 15, 2022
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Everything must be done so that the MC's dick becomes the last for our Rio, the narcs can peck each others asses.Poor Riona, she's definitely going to be fucked over by narcs at some point.
And if Lily turns out to be a narc, my mc may consider not fucking her anymore!
She just needs to get rid of Quinn's influence.I don't think Lily uses anything stronger than weed.
I am generally sure that DPC has reached the peak of its capabilities in the number of audience and has reached a plateau. By the way, you can see a small surge, this is the release of Interlude, then stabilization at the current 11.5-13.5k / month.
- Dec 23, 2018
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Well, now we have a conundrum. Does banging Maya in Ewok costume count as furry.
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According to the blueprints of scriptwriting, it's time for the shit hit the fan, bad guys will close in, and the MC will enter in the dark night of the soul.
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When you play earlier episodes it's quite easy to spot some of the causes of such long development times during season 2 and after.
Like this for example, during the first episodes if he wanted to show off a girl he'd make a render for her:
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After seeing this it's quite easy to understand why it's starting to take so long to pump an episode out, if he could he probably would turn this whole thing into an interactive TV show but seeing as he can't, he just keeps adding animations on top of animations that add little touches here and there.
Now, I'm not saying the animations are bad, on the contrary actually, I enjoy them more than I thought I would, but I don't think the trade-off between having said animations and the time it takes to make them is net positive unfortunately...
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I'm sure that Episodes 10-12 should have some powerful drama with a cool script that will keep the player in a tense state, make them worry, cry and scream.I agree with DPC that quality takes time and I'm not going to complain about the production times in and of themselves. But I also think he's completely ducking out of the question of whether he's using his time effectively.
It's hard to believe there's no fat to cut out of the game when Madame Rose has been given such a prominent spot in the last two episodes, for example. It's also unclear how much value these lavish animations are adding to the game. Personally, I feel like the added lighting has actually make the new renders look worse than the more simplistic versions in Season 1; it makes minute flaws stand out more and calls attention away from the emotional content that (IMHO) should be the focus. And a lot of the animations in the Interlude (Zoey spinning on the stool, the small motions of characters in the tattoo parlor, etc.) were annoying distractions. The game would have been better for using simple static renders.
The term 'gilding the lily' exists for a reason: at best you're wasting huge resources beautifying something that was already beautiful, and at worst you're replacing a natural beauty with something artificial and tacky. The point being that even once the game is completed, there's no guarantee DPC's inability to cut content will have made the game better simply because it has more stuff in it.
Now obviously that's going to be a judgement call and DPC is certainly in a position to make that call. For all the high gloss and professionalism DPC cultivates, at the end of the day BaDIK is a passion project; he's telling the story he wants to see. I can respect that even if I don't agree, but does make me worry about the future of this game. Creating art is always a delicate balancing act: focus too much on the audience and you have nothing to say worth hearing, but focus too little on the audience and no one will be able to understand the message you do have. If DPC is laser-focused on his own ideal to the exclusion of all else, the end result is likely to be extremely idiosyncratic.
As far as Episodes 10-12 being smaller than Episode 9, I'm afraid I'm going to have to be extremely cynical here. I get that DPC is really excited about the Halloween events, but from my point of view he's deluding himself. First, because DPC already undermined the Halloween party by making it the third giant party in a row; if he knew Episode 9 was going to have a heavy party focus, maybe do something else in Episode 8 to cleanse the palate. It's especially bad since several of the post-crossroads relationships are difficult to mesh with a big frat party: Jill is unlikely to attend, and Bella and Maya/Josy need to be kept secret. For those branches, the party feels more like a minefield than a celebration. That's an awkward place to stage such a massive set-piece.
There's also the question of what comes next. DPC can say he plans to go smaller, but he hasn't really demonstrated he can do that. The closest thing to a smaller episode he's attempted was Episode 5, which starts with a wall-to-wall fuckfest at the preps party then slams us with the destruction of the mansion AND a side-helping of Bella/Jill antics. He doesn't seem to like the idea of lulls in the story, even though they're an important part of making the peaks feel significant. Until he shows that he's capable of restraint, I think it's entirely fair to worry about him padding out Episodes 10-12 with empty spectacle just to keep them from feeling short/cheap. That has some short term appeal, but it may actually make the story of the game worse in the long run despite the added production time.
Hopefully I'm wrong to worry. If the party-planning mini-game works like the mansion repair game (we work towards a long-term goal all season long), maybe DPC really does intend to go a little more low key in Season 3. That would help the Halloween party stand out, and at least give us a shot at some smaller, tighter episodes 10-12. So we shouldn't lose hope. But man, seeing DPC make comments like the one above does nothing to nurture that hope.
For example, I'm waiting for a story about the real origin of the MC. I feel like my hair will stand on end. The DPC didn't just give us Lynette's diary.
Or even more interesting scenario. When Sage finds out about Quinn's dark dealings within sorority and that her "father" is also involved. How will she realize that her best friend was cheating on her and using the girls to earn money, how Sage will react and how Quinn will defend herself. I want to see something like a power struggle in sorority, Team Sage vs Team Quinn. Civil War. Such a small local Dance of the Dragons.
A cool scenario and a break in the plot at the most interesting place will help the player's interest not to cool down during the long wait of 9-10 months.
He knows how to break the plot in the endings
- May 17, 2020
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AVNs are basically a bubble that has already peaked in the lockdown years, now it is much easier to drop than to rise, this especially for games that have already reached a large audience
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And he's still called a lazy milker by someones
- May 17, 2020
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And he's still called a lazy milker by someones
technically if you haven't reached a large audience you can't really be a "milker"....
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**EPISODE 8**
* 10/22/2021 – Final status update / Start of beta testing
* 02/11/2021 – Final preview released
* 03/11/2021 – Beta testing status report
* 09/11/2021 – Release date announced
* 19/11/2021 – Episode 8 released
Historically, there is about 1 month between when DPC announces beta testing starting and the episode being released. If we are hopeful that the animations will be on the faster side of the 4-5 weeks, that puts us at the status update for 02/12/2022.
If that turns out to be when he announces beta testing, it is feasible that a January 2023 release is possible. I think a lot of the initial testing will be internal during this month of render time and so hopefully the work load for his beta testers will be smaller, however this is still the largest update to date and with an assumed huge number of variables due to the new path system. We could be looking at a normal to long beta test period.
* 10/22/2021 – Final status update / Start of beta testing
* 02/11/2021 – Final preview released
* 03/11/2021 – Beta testing status report
* 09/11/2021 – Release date announced
* 19/11/2021 – Episode 8 released
Historically, there is about 1 month between when DPC announces beta testing starting and the episode being released. If we are hopeful that the animations will be on the faster side of the 4-5 weeks, that puts us at the status update for 02/12/2022.
If that turns out to be when he announces beta testing, it is feasible that a January 2023 release is possible. I think a lot of the initial testing will be internal during this month of render time and so hopefully the work load for his beta testers will be smaller, however this is still the largest update to date and with an assumed huge number of variables due to the new path system. We could be looking at a normal to long beta test period.