VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Mr. Muscles]

Annnnnd we are back to the Interlude debacle once again. DPC, please release the next chapter asap.

 

[ffive]

Translating:
- If Zoey's DIK or Chick
- If she calmed Emma or not
- If she posted her nude cluck

That's it... All that matters... You don't even need to watch it... Not necessary to the main plot... Q.E.D.

This is false; yes, you can get abridged version of Interlude consequences through this menu, but it actually doesn't set variables the same way playing through Interlude itself does -- the shortcut sets zoey_dik based on attitude towards Emma, while the actual Interlude sets it based on answers to all little choices you make about Zoey's behavior along the way.

This means playing through Interlude allows to have a more nuanced Zoey, e.g. a CHICK Zoey who didn't take Emma's shit when push came to shove, or vice versa, a DIK Zoey who dealt with Emma in nice manner. You won't get such options taking the shortcut.

 

[Hahn1900]

Oh yeah... Very good indeed... Serious candidate for a Nobel Literature prize (which, b.t.w., ain't that hard since even J.K. Rowland won one...).

dont know if youre are being serious here or you really dont know... first, i assume you are talking about JK Rowling, not rowland... if not... who the fuck is JK Rowland?

If you mean JK rowling (the one that wrote Harry Potter) where comes the mindset from that she won a nobel prize? she didnt. Wasnt even considered for that one...

i just wanted to know about that one

 

[Hahn1900]

Sorry... I already said I mixed it up in another post... I'll even edit it out to avoid more posts like this...

yeah just saw that post... nothing to bother about, we all mix up something sometimes.

 

[ffive]

i think its more fair to say people are scared a new challenger will make the MC question their choice of a waifu, literally right after DPC seemed to give the PLAYER a meaningful choice to make in that regard

I think it is fair to say it's a little of both, personally -- yes, (some) people might be afraid that there's going to be some railroading of the plot as it has happened before. But there's likely also some who won't like the idea they might find themselves (not the MC) second-guessing their picks. As people are rarely willing to admit, even to themselves, they've had a change of heart.

 

[Darkwen]

And who could even imagine that you could beat it, eh!?



No... It's not... Taste is one thing quality is another... But because of those who don't know the latter and think Shakespeare is the same thing as "50 Shades of Grey" -- because it's all "taste" -- we're in the cultural state we're in...

What proves my point is you can't give any grounds and reasons to demonstrate the Interlude is good bar "it's my taste and tastes are like assholes! Everyone has one!"

I say the Interlude is bad because it's meaningless, it's not information necessary to the main plot, it changes the POV in the middle of things without no excuse except "it's my vision!" (ok, visionary...); for one to believe Zoey still liked the MC's and at the same time decided to move to SF because she was sad and saw an add on the Internet, one needs a crane for the suspension of belief. Thus the plot has no coherence, fails to grab the attention of everyone who's not interested in those slice-of-life craps. And more... Even if the Interlude's plot were any good per se, it would be bad because of it's totally meaningless to the main plot -- and proves this is the fact you can skip it in almost in its entirety, jumping directly to the part when you (i.e., Zoey) flushes her former friends phone; and you do this to set the only three variables that matter in the Interlude:

    menu:
        "Do you want to play the Interlude?"
        "Play the Interlude" if True:
            jump startInterlude
        "Skip to episode 9" if True:
            scene epi_ems44 with dissolve
            menu:
                "Did Zoey calm Emma down or take her phone?"
                "Calmed her down" if True:
                    $ emma_calm = True
                    $ emma_cluck = False
                    $ zoey_dik = False
                "Took her phone" if True:
                    $ emma_calm = False
                    $ emma_cluck = True
                    $ zoey_dik = True

Translating:
- If Zoey's DIK or Chick
- If she calmed Emma or not
- If she posted her nude cluck

That's it... All that matters... You don't even need to watch it... Not necessary to the main plot... Q.E.D.

Your talking in circles and doing a very bad job of it. BTW I was looking for your point but there isn't one. The Interlude is to me good because because it gives me a reason to like Zoey and explains the MC relationship with her from both points of view more so from Zoey. You acting as if it is an absolute that because you think the interlude is bad that it is bad that is bullshit. This is art so being good or bad is relative because it depends on taste.

 

[Landro2340]

His point is THE INTERLUDE IS BAD BECAUSE I SAY SO, and went as far to post the interlude's code as if that gave it more merit. He just needs some chill pills.

 

[Hahn1900]

I think it is fair to say it's a little of both, personally -- yes, (some) people might be afraid that there's going to be some railroading of the plot as it has happened before. But there's likely also some who won't like the idea they might find themselves (not the MC) second-guessing their picks. As people are rarely willing to admit, even to themselves, they've had a change of heart.

My problem with Zoey is... well, what for? We dont need her. There are already so many girls in this game, for every taste and attitude... To bring her back with this huge amount of focus will lead to one thing... less time for the others.

You know... sometimes, less is more. The game is already PACKED with a shitload of things going on and so many girls that i have a hardtime remembering the names of them.

In the end i think DPC will sacrifice a lot of time and focus on Zoey and others will come a little shorter than they would without Zoey. and thats the main reason iam a little upset about her... of course i wouldnt be upset if i would like her. But i dont. So now i got a "new" girl in the game, which will get a LOT of focus, even if we decide that we dont want to get intimtate with her...

And we already have something like that with Maya and Josy. Which is already a weak-point in the game, a huge one... if we dont care about Maya, we are stuck with her anyways... the only difference is that we can bang her here and there.

Same goes for Zoey i bet... doesnt matter if we want to get in her panties again, she will have a big part during the game anyways, otherwise there is no point in bringing her back with this huge setup and a whole interlude episode. and i just want more time with the already established girls...

 

[ffive]

My problem with Zoey is... well, what for? We dont need her. There are already so many girls in this game, for every taste and attitude...

Evidently not, since Zoey represents not just one but two "types" of girl which weren't present in the game -- that is, former girlfriend *and* childhood friend. And at the very least the latter is a pretty popular archetype in VNs.

edit: also, we have AchedCroissant as a walking example that there is players for whom Zoey appeals more than other girls. So "we don't need her" would be far more accurate and honest if you said "i don't need her", speaking just for yourself rather than everyone.

 

[soprano31]

who wouldn't want to wake up next to such a beauty?
this is an angel of love descended from heaven,
this is god's masterpiece that he can never rise above.

with her beautiful auburn wavy hair,her glittering twinkling eyes,
those beautiful luscious lips that ask to be kissed.

oh,and those wondrous breasts that i nibble so appetizingly,
after which i kiss your beautiful smooth tummy until i touch your beautiful wet pussy.
you're so wet and horny that after I've licked you,
you come to an orgasm where your knees are shaking,and you fall into my arms with love eyes and a blushing look.

no,josy,you shouldn't look in the mirror,you are the perfection itself.
josy is love,josy is hope,josy is everything.
ti amo,ti amo josy

 

[felicemastronzo]

first they deny but in the end everyone loves revivals!!!
and then let's talk about it again!

in my opinion the interlude was necessary, when compared to the 13 months of overall wait its effect remains negligible and I am all in all optimistic that Zoey will be a good glue for the third season (glue that was complately lacking in the second season, in which things happened... random things).
but if its primary intent was to make us like Zoey it has failed, and I could also say that simply from a statistical point of view of how many she convinced (and if liking Zoey before remains that it was unnecessary...). but I prefer to do it from a narrative point of view.

we had already known Zoey, superficially, from MC's tale to Bella, and from that tale we had glimpsed a courageous girl who was ready to leave everything behind (at the time there was even theorizing about serious reasons why Zoey SHOULD leave) in order to start anew elsewhere, and we could even disagree with MC who did not have the courage to follow her. a girl who had somehow found her place, while MC worked sadly at the store trying to find the courage to say goodbye to Josy.

the interlude recounts this episode for us but makes it worse throughout. Zoey does not leave leaving everything behind, relying on her own strength, but goes on a nice vacation with her grandmother's money (and DPC emphasizes this aspect as well as she can, Zoey has yet to get off the train and already twice the danger of dissipating that money is evoked).
her invitation to MC seems almost like a tease-how could he possibly follow her? to do what?with whose money?

the interlude, however, gives her a motivation, the famous dream that only she and her grandmother believed in, but just as her stepfather predicted it fails miserably, fails even before she tries for real (have you noticed how boomer DPC is? as much as most adults are often negative characters they always end up being right!! ). and she doesn't find it her place at all, in fact she regrets what little she had at home (which honestly was little...)

DPC has a sadistic taste for pointing out how every choice Zoey makes is wrong:

she dropped out of school? okay, she makes up for it online with a degree and a grade that don't allow her to be accepted by any colleges in the area (said explicitly by her so if she had been accepted maybe she wouldn't have come back...) but fortunately there is BR, and with the "outcasts of the outcasts" shift there might be room for her too

she decided to let MC go by ghosting him (which, although without any real motivation, was still a selfless gesture)? she finds herself without his phone number and has to go back with hat in hand to ask if there is still room for her. imagine in reality going to the father of someone you have been avoiding and asking him to put you in touch...depression coming on...good thing MC is a snowflake and will make time for her.

to me it seems that the interlude gives us back a weaker Zoey in everything, compared to the Zoey we had glimpsed previously, I cannot see it as a success.

 

[Darkwen]

Well... I'm over trying to "debate" with a guy who think Shakespeare and the author of 50 Shades of Grey are the same because it's just "taste" and all art is the same (which... would lead to conclusion that everything is art -- since you can't define it, and what can be defined can be everything --, and, thus, everything is the same...)

These are apples to oranges and doesn't make any sense. Of course Shakespeare and 50 shades are different I never said they wasn't. What I'm saying is your reasons for calling the interlude bad and that everyone who says other wise don't know what they are talking about doesn't stand up. I call BADIK art because it's a game and some consider video games to be art and think its good you have the right to think its bad you do not have the right to speak for everyone and make it a law this is bad. But at last I found someone that Becky is smarter then

 

[Landro2340]

Are you stupid or illiterate? I gave you reasons... Since you can't counter those reasons, you have to resort to ad hominem arguments... And I'm not even saying that you couldn't counter my arguments because it's an impossibility... I'm just saying you didn't -- probably because you can't... Not because it's impossible... I think so, because something that can be skipped in almost its entirety (99.9%) is irrelevant and meaningless by definition, but I would take arguments with grounds and reasons more seriously than 5th grade bragging...

lol ok let's bite since I'm bored.

Interlude what does it bring? well let's take a look at the early chapters of season 1 when Bella questions us about the MC's past and he gives a brief story about his only friend who he had many of his firsts in life, kiss, sex, etc. So what's the point of this brief look to the MC's past? to understand where his emotional situation is, he never defined what he had with Zoey, this explains many of his immature reactions when dealing with relationships and gives DPC an excuse for writing those sudden "hissy fits" of the MC.

Let's then take a look at his future interactions with the main girls, he obviously doesn't want another Zoey situation where the girl leaves him with no closure, notice the advice he gives Sage about getting closure, something he wished he had done but couldn't because Zoey left him. The point of the interlude is to give an introduction to S3, to Zoey who will be probably a new emotional challenge for our MC and wether the writing is good or bad, that's just depends on the person, I don't find it a master piece of writing, but I get where it's coming from and what it will probably mean for the future of the story, if you like it fine but if you don't there's no need to write a thesis and go all MY GOD THIS SUCKS SO BAD, SUCH A TERRIBLE WRITING, that's your opinion, no need to escalate, call others out or start dramatic takes if other person likes it. So chill my dude.

 

[19Castiel23]

who wouldn't want to wake up next to such a beauty?
this is an angel of love descended from heaven,
this is god's masterpiece that he can never rise above.

with her beautiful auburn wavy hair,her glittering twinkling eyes,
those beautiful luscious lips that ask to be kissed.

oh,and those wondrous breasts that i nibble so appetizingly,
after which i kiss your beautiful smooth tummy until i touch your beautiful wet pussy.
you're so wet and horny that after I've licked you,
you come to an orgasm where your knees are shaking,and you fall into my arms with love eyes and a blushing look.

no,josy,you shouldn't look in the mirror,you are the perfection itself.
josy is love,josy is hope,josy is everything.
ti amo,ti amo josy


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[Hahn1900]

Evidently not, since Zoey represents not just one but two "types" of girl which weren't present in the game -- that is, former girlfriend *and* childhood friend. And at the very least the latter is a pretty popular archetype in VNs.

edit: also, we have AchedCroissant as a walking example that there is players for whom Zoey appeals more than other girls. So "we don't need her" would be far more accurate and honest if you said "i don't need her", speaking just for yourself rather than everyone.

Come on dont hang me up on this little word... if you read my whole post you can see that iam writing most of the time without using the word "we or everyone" i write out of MY point of view... only this one time the "we" slipped in by mistake... not really necessary to pick it out?

yeah sorry, i struggle with phrasing... english is not my strongest asset, in my post most of the time i speak for "myself" in this sentence the "we" slipped in. Iam not one of the guys who claims that my opinion is the only one that matters for everyone...

well... in someway, naturally its the only one that matters, cause its for me and iam playing the game for myself but yeah, of course i know that some do like Zoey...

Other than that... without her comeback in episode 8 iam pretty sure nobody would ever have asked for a Zoey comeback. As far as i remeber id never heard somebody call for a Zoey comeback before the release of episode 8

 

[ffive]

Other than that... without her comeback in episode 8 iam pretty sure nobody would ever have asked for a Zoey comeback. As far as i remeber id never heard somebody call for a Zoey comeback before the release of episode 8

Am not to sure about it, because between the pretty detailed way she was second-hand introduced through that scene with Sage, and appearance on the character list, it always seemed kind of natural to me to expect she'd eventually show up in person. It's the proverbial Chekhov's gun principle, that you only feature characters and elements which are relevant/necessary down the line.

In other words, if people didn't ask for Zoey's comeback, then it might very well be because these who were actually interested were taking it for granted. Plus, let's be honest, there's little point in asking DPC about anything when it comes to his stories. He'll only add what he wants, when he wants, and won't tell anyone in advance what it's going to be.

 

[rocopc]

I really dont undestand this hate for Zoey and I can tell all of you that I reallly dont like Zoey, dont like the model used, dont like the character in the prelude and really dont like the ex´s thing they are ex´s for something....... but we are in a game, and one that its sex driven so its never a bad thing to have more girls to bang in the game..... peace and sorry if my english its bad

 

[AchedCroissant]

i remeber id never heard somebody call for a Zoey comeback before the release of episode 8

Anyone believe the ex(Zoey) she gonna return in futures update?

 

[Lovetities]

What if DPC decided to punish us by making MC cheat on his chosen li with Zoey and madame without any choices(like that I don't want to be rebound guy bs which also make sense since MC can be sissy sometimes). In other girl routes, Zoey appears and MC goes into relationship with her and game end there.

 

[felicemastronzo]

What if DPC decided to punish us by making MC cheat on his chosen li with Zoey and madame without any choices(like that I don't want to be rebound guy bs which also make sense since MC can be sissy sometimes). In other girl routes, Zoey appears and MC goes into relationship with her and game end there.

it's not like it takes that much effort of imagination: that's what happens in the first season, where regardless of our choices MC will date both Maya and Josy thus falling into the generic profile of the 'traitor' also having the possibility of being the one excluded

so ...