felicemastronzo

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I agree about going to see Bella. And yet DPC still gave us the choice. Why? If the game is so obviously biased in favor of that option, why give us a half-assed opportunity to do otherwise? Similarly, for those MCs who have gone out of their way not to pursue several girls, why then insist we play through the MC's pointless navel-gazing about who to date at the end of Episode 8? We've obviously already made the choice.

Personally, I think DPC just can't help himself. He likes to add choices, but he isn't willing to abide by the limitations those choices should impose on his story. This eventually undercuts both the story and choices, but in the heat of the moment the allure of cosmetic choices is too shiny for him to ignore. :(
Instead, it seems to me that some extra choices are often missing or misplaced.

To go or not to go to Bella is not a choice, if then arrived there MC does something that was not budgeted for. the choice should have been "thank you/say goodbye to Bella and leave" and "push for something more," this way I am deciding what happens

Bella is the only LIs we can find ourselves involved with without any direct choice, just visit her in the library and then without doing anything accept her help with the room
 

anonnyscouse

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I think part of the issue with Bella is that Fuckface (not necessarily the player) feels he owes Bella for saving him when he got locked out naked and then for the dinner he showed up drunk to. That owing of the debt pushes Fuckface into decisions that the player has no choice in (going to the aforementioned dinner for example). I think the going to Bella falls into that as well, it's something Fuckface would do, however DPC realised at that point that he was pushing Bella too much (especially for anyone trying to do a Jill only run for example) so gave the player an option to ignore her, but because it goes against Fuckface's natural actions it seems out of place as a choice.
 
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Porthas

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Yeah... I like your reasonable answers and I'm also tired of arguing... So, just to close it (and I promise not to talk about the merits of the Interlude anymore), my considerations are based on an ideal that a good plot is one that everything in it matters and it's interconnected (and allows no excuses, even when the author calls those unnecessary parts interlude, prologue, epilogue, intermezzo, aside, digression or whatever); also, exposition must be parsed into the action in a way that you don't pause to explain things you may need to understand what will come next in the plot (even less to expose what's not necessary to understand the plot).

Of course, we're talking about a porn game which allows deviations from the plot for the purpose of sex; the same way a comedy allows deviations for the purpose of laughing. And that's my problem with the Interlude: it doesn't follow the ideal, it's expository, and it's not funny nor sexy.

Certainly, people may be entertained and enjoy those things that doesn't fit the ideal -- that's the subjective part -- and may even say fuck the ideals, but mind that's harder to stick to the ideal and that's why it's valued. I even think that DPC has such a following because, despite my criticisms, he's one of the few devs here that are closer to the ideal. The majority of games here doesn't even have a clue what a plot is. There are about 13 thousand games listed on F95Zone, and I dare to say that less than 1% is good, and DPC is among the 0.1% -- what I think most people here will agree, which proves not everything is a matter of taste, otherwise the distribution of fans would be random. DPC stands from the crowd because he has qualities; and I'm criticizing the Interlude for lacking some the qualities he uphold until now...

But that's it. People may enjoy the Interlude, and I won't complain anymore. As a sign of good faith and as a peace offering, I even fixed Zoey's awful chest tattoo and put it in the proper place without the kitsch quote:

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akdomino

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You have to go to Maya at the prep party after

Nope. DON'T agree to help Maya with the list just before Josy shows up. She won't cross thighjob off the list, and you can get the thighjob in this scene, thus the 100%.
This is strange. The player gets 100% of the scene if he doesn't want to help Maya. But in the walkthrough it is written that the player should help Maya if he likes Maya. The thigh job is done by Josy and not Maya.

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shazba

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This is strange. The player gets 100% of the scene if he doesn't want to help Maya. But in the walkthrough it is written that the player should help Maya if he likes Maya. The thigh job is done by Josy and not Maya.

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You can't get 100% on one play through. If you help Maya you get 50% but miss out on doing it with the threesome. If you don't help Maya you'll get the 50% with the threesome. You'll need multiple playthroughs to unlock 100% (or just help Maya and then rewind).
 

NebulousShooter

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Plus, actually thinking about it the entire concept for the Interlude is kind shit. Now we, the player, know exactly what happened and as the MC it might be hard to make unbiased decisions when it comes to her because we know for a fact
You mean kinda when you see Quinn do her shit while the MC is oblivious about? Its not like the main game is 100% MC's POV and the Interlude broke from that mold. When you have somewhat of an ensemble game its common that the viewer knows more than the MC. I find it way easier to play than if the MC knows something and the viewer does not, wondering why the fuck does he reacts a certain way, or my choices are steered into one direction, or another.
 

Lovetities

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You mean kinda when you see Quinn do her shit while the MC is oblivious about? Its not like the main game is 100% MC's POV and the Interlude broke from that mold. When you have somewhat of an ensemble game its common that the viewer knows more than the MC. I find it way easier to play than if the MC knows something and the viewer does not, wondering why the fuck does he reacts a certain way, or my choices are steered into one direction, or another.
Well, Mc is the one who is telling the story tho.
 

ename144

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Instead, it seems to me that some extra choices are often missing or misplaced.

To go or not to go to Bella is not a choice, if then arrived there MC does something that was not budgeted for. the choice should have been "thank you/say goodbye to Bella and leave" and "push for something more," this way I am deciding what happens

Bella is the only LIs we can find ourselves involved with without any direct choice, just visit her in the library and then without doing anything accept her help with the room
Yeah, Bella's path is very weird, to the point that even the official walkthrough doesn't mention that not going to see Bella in Episode 3 will lock you out of her path forever.

I still think it's meant to reflect the way the two of them are drawn together by a raw, inexplicable passion that overwhelms their rational thought, and thus the romance will happen unless you completely isolate yourself from Bella. But IMHO that is *not* communicated by their actions or dialog, it can only be inferred from the size and shape of the void in the story. :unsure:


Does the ending scene with Sage in the interlude happens to everyone or only for those who have fucked Jade?
Sadly, yes, it's universal. Though an MC who banged Jade will at least look slightly more concerned about the situation when staring into the mirror prior to that, which is something.
 

ace057

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The only good thing about the interlude was that zoey did not fuck anyone still will never choose her as for the rest i really don't give a fuck sad that the developer wasted that much time and energy with her story much better would be if he did around 350 renders and around 15 animations and move on with the main story. I wonder how suprised she will be when she finds out the mc moved on and turned to womanizer. I just know she will turn to be pain in my ass especially if we have jill as our girlfriend
 

Tremonia

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i really don't give a fuck sad that the developer wasted that much time and energy with her story much better would be if he did around 350 renders and around 15 animations and move on with the main story.
It's not your game. So DPC can give a fuck about you giving a fuck. Made your own game and you can do whatever and whenever you want.
 

giraffe69

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The only good thing about the interlude was that zoey did not fuck anyone still will never choose her as for the rest i really don't give a fuck sad that the developer wasted that much time and energy with her story much better would be if he did around 350 renders and around 15 animations and move on with the main story. I wonder how suprised she will be when she finds out the mc moved on and turned to womanizer. I just know she will turn to be pain in my ass especially if we have jill as our girlfriend
For me it would be better if she stayed as that girl that was teaching the mc about stuff like sex, smoking, drinking or being more open with other people and then she left and had a boyfriend never to be seen again rather her coming back and wanting the mc. The reason why i am saying this is because she is coming back after two seasons with 0 interactions in those two seasons and with how every update takes months to come we all already have that favorite girl or girls so for us to leave them for her will be hard.
 

shazba

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The only good thing about the interlude was that zoey did not fuck anyone still will never choose her as for the rest i really don't give a fuck sad that the developer wasted that much time and energy with her story much better would be if he did around 350 renders and around 15 animations and move on with the main story. I wonder how suprised she will be when she finds out the mc moved on and turned to womanizer. I just know she will turn to be pain in my ass especially if we have jill as our girlfriend
This sentiment that DPC has wasted precious time on the Interlude is really short sighted.

What would you say if I told you the time the developer spent on the Interlude was ~3% of the time he's spent on the whole project so far? And that if it takes another 4-6 years to complete the rest of the game (which could still be an underestimate), the time spent on the Interlude will only be around ~1% - 1.5% of the entire game.

It's nothing.

For me it would be better if she stayed as that girl that was teaching the mc about stuff like sex, smoking, drinking or being more open with other people and then she left and had a boyfriend never to be seen again rather her coming back and wanting the mc. The reason why i am saying this is because she is coming back after two seasons with 0 interactions in those two seasons and with how every update takes months to come we all already have that favorite girl or girls so for us to leave them for her will be hard.
My plan is to enjoy everything the game has to offer. And if that includes a huge catfight between Jill and Zoey, my only problem is how much popcorn to purchase... :unsure: :sneaky:
 

alex13_zen

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What was Quinn looking at when at the supplier's place? And was her mother there? It would seem so from the dialogue but I'm not sure.

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