dalli_x

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An egomaniac is pathologically a narcissistic psychopath.
No, an egomaniac is the precursor to a narcissistic psychopath.
Come on, who said there's no way back?! In life, everything happens, there are different periods, a person can do some not very good things, but then embark on the path of a calm and quiet life. I'll tell you something.
There is one story, I still can't remember it without laughing. A very funny case actually. It happened when we were still doing different things. And then one morning a friend called me, his name was Victor, and he said that he found out where the jerk we had been looking for was hiding. Yes, we've been looking for that jerk for a long time. He killed several of our friends. Dangerous son of a bitch. He could kill a man in front of almost everyone. He used a piece of shit like an awl, and he could hit right in the heart. The doctor said that a person would not even immediately feel that something was wrong. In general, I'm saying this to make it clear that it wasn't some innocent person. When we arrived at the specified place, the jerk really turned out to be there. The informant did not deceive. We caught him, stunned him and threw him into the trunk. We went to our house on the outskirts, just for such cases. Everything was equipped there in order to, well, if you want to find out the truth from someone. Hooks, handcuffs, vises, well, a lot of things. The guys worked a lot on this house, invested a piece of their soul. OK, when we arrived, we worked a little with this goat, and it was time to get rid of him, Victor said - Wait guys, I have an idea, I've been wanting to implement it for a long time. The fact is that Victor just raved about the Italian mafia, all sorts of Corleones, Capones and others. He tried to dress like them, though he didn't get it well and he looked mostly funny. He often smeared his hair with some shit, and then it was impossible to breathe in the car. In short, the crazy jerk was Victor. So he tells us - You can't just kill him. Personally, I wanted to do just that, strangle and that's it, no dirt, no traces. But Victor insisted - We have to make an impression. Let his friends see, and understand that it's better for them to be quiet and don't mess with guys like us. OK , I say - What do you want to do with it ? - Sicilian necktie - he said it as if he was talking about the woman he loved. I told him - OK, do whatever you want, but I'm not going to participate in this shit. Of course, I heard something about the "Sicilian necktie", but I had no idea what it really was and how to do it correctly. But Victor looked like he knew exactly what he was doing. Therefore, we did not have any concern. He brought a basin, took out a knife, and began to cut the dude's throat. If someone does not know, the "Sicilian necktie" is such a thing when a person's larynx is cut and a fish is stuffed there. It comes out of the larynx, and it looks like a necktie. Only as I understood, it was necessary to do all this with an already dead body, a corpse, but not when the person is still alive. And in our case, everything went wrong. When Vic cut the asshole's artery, the dude went crazy, tied to a chair, he began to rush around the room, and blood gushed out of him like from a fireman's water hose. I didn't even realize that there was so much blood in a person. In the end, the jerk fell, he was dead. But the picture in front of us was terrible. The whole room was covered in blood, walls, ceiling, everything. Everything is in red. God, it was terrible, we washed all this shit until half past two in the morning. I said I wouldn't dig a hole. I'm fucking tired. It won't be necessary - said Vic, we'll throw him into the river. Well, we wrapped the body in plastic sheeting (we had a stock of this sheeting, a few rolls, just in case), threw various pieces of iron and stones there and tied up. Then we got to the bridge and threw the body into the river. I asked Vic - So you wanted to throw it out here from the beginning ? - Well, yes, he replied. - So what the fuck was cutting his throat for ? What the fuck was this idea with the fucking "Sicilian necktie" for? Who the fuck did you want to impress?! For fish in the river?! This shit really upset me. But that wasn't all. When we went to the Boss and told him what had happened, he was very angry. He was swearing a lot. Very strongly. I even thought he'd fucking kill us all. But thank God everything worked out. The Boss said that our house would have to be burned. Because if the cops find him, the dog will pick up the trail. And in general, there may be problems because of this. The guys were upset. This house was dear to them. After a while I realized that many guys found out about this story. They looked at us like idiots. Although it was only Victor's fault. It was so unfair. But after a while, it's pretty damn funny to think about it. Such stories remain in the memory forever. All this was a long time ago, and now those participants in this story who are still alive, live quietly and they are law-abiding citizens.
Now I understand why you like Quinns so much. If what you wrote is all true, then you are even worse than Quinn, even if you didn't wield the knife. You are complicit in someone's death. It doesn't matter if the dead man was a pig and a murderer. You had the opportunity to prevent this murder, in which you could have informed the police about the whereabouts of the guy.

The participants who are still alive are not law-abiding citizens because certain acts never have a statute of limitations.
 
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The part of the game I dislike the most is in episode 4 (Is it episode 4 I can't remember)
When the mc acts like a bastard or maybe an idiot when he finds out about Maya & Josy
I think those scenes could have been handled better imo
 

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I guess F95 mods just threw in the towel, sighed and abandoned this thread.

You can't dry out the sea with a shovel and a bucket, after all.

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yossa999

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Come on, who said there's no way back?! In life, everything happens, there are different periods, a person can do some not very good things, but then embark on the path of a calm and quiet life. I'll tell you something.
There is one story, I still can't remember it without laughing. A very funny case actually. It happened when we were still doing different things. And then one morning a friend called me, his name was Victor, and he said that he found out where the jerk we had been looking for was hiding. Yes, we've been looking for that jerk for a long time. He killed several of our friends. Dangerous son of a bitch. He could kill a man in front of almost everyone. He used a piece of shit like an awl, and he could hit right in the heart. The doctor said that a person would not even immediately feel that something was wrong. In general, I'm saying this to make it clear that it wasn't some innocent person. When we arrived at the specified place, the jerk really turned out to be there. The informant did not deceive. We caught him, stunned him and threw him into the trunk. We went to our house on the outskirts, just for such cases. Everything was equipped there in order to, well, if you want to find out the truth from someone. Hooks, handcuffs, vises, well, a lot of things. The guys worked a lot on this house, invested a piece of their soul. OK, when we arrived, we worked a little with this goat, and it was time to get rid of him, Victor said - Wait guys, I have an idea, I've been wanting to implement it for a long time. The fact is that Victor just raved about the Italian mafia, all sorts of Corleones, Capones and others. He tried to dress like them, though he didn't get it well and he looked mostly funny. He often smeared his hair with some shit, and then it was impossible to breathe in the car. In short, the crazy jerk was Victor. So he tells us - You can't just kill him. Personally, I wanted to do just that, strangle and that's it, no dirt, no traces. But Victor insisted - We have to make an impression. Let his friends see, and understand that it's better for them to be quiet and don't mess with guys like us. OK , I say - What do you want to do with it ? - Sicilian necktie - he said it as if he was talking about the woman he loved. I told him - OK, do whatever you want, but I'm not going to participate in this shit. Of course, I heard something about the "Sicilian necktie", but I had no idea what it really was and how to do it correctly. But Victor looked like he knew exactly what he was doing. Therefore, we did not have any concern. He brought a basin, took out a knife, and began to cut the dude's throat. If someone does not know, the "Sicilian necktie" is such a thing when a person's larynx is cut and a fish is stuffed there. It comes out of the larynx, and it looks like a necktie. Only as I understood, it was necessary to do all this with an already dead body, a corpse, but not when the person is still alive. And in our case, everything went wrong. When Vic cut the asshole's artery, the dude went crazy, tied to a chair, he began to rush around the room, and blood gushed out of him like from a fireman's water hose. I didn't even realize that there was so much blood in a person. In the end, the jerk fell, he was dead. But the picture in front of us was terrible. The whole room was covered in blood, walls, ceiling, everything. Everything is in red. God, it was terrible, we washed all this shit until half past two in the morning. I said I wouldn't dig a hole. I'm fucking tired. It won't be necessary - said Vic, we'll throw him into the river. Well, we wrapped the body in plastic sheeting (we had a stock of this sheeting, a few rolls, just in case), threw various pieces of iron and stones there and tied up. Then we got to the bridge and threw the body into the river. I asked Vic - So you wanted to throw it out here from the beginning ? - Well, yes, he replied. - So what the fuck was cutting his throat for ? What the fuck was this idea with the fucking "Sicilian necktie" for? Who the fuck did you want to impress?! For fish in the river?! This shit really upset me. But that wasn't all. When we went to the Boss and told him what had happened, he was very angry. He was swearing a lot. Very strongly. I even thought he'd fucking kill us all. But thank God everything worked out. The Boss said that our house would have to be burned. Because if the cops find him, the dog will pick up the trail. And in general, there may be problems because of this. The guys were upset. This house was dear to them. After a while I realized that many guys found out about this story. They looked at us like idiots. Although it was only Victor's fault. It was so unfair. But after a while, it's pretty damn funny to think about it. Such stories remain in the memory forever. All this was a long time ago, and now those participants in this story who are still alive, live quietly and they are law-abiding citizens.
C'mon, Vinny, stop feeding us bullshit. Bitching about Quinn is one thing, that's understandable, she's your ex, she hurt your feelings and all, but this story... And isn't they call it a "Sicilian necktie" when you slit someone's throat and pull his tongue out through the cut? Why the fuck did your friend tried to stuff a fish there?
 

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My 2 Cents. Make of it what you will.....

Quinn shows signs of being morally evil. People that get satisfaction, happiness, etc from the misfortunes of other people are considered evil by psychology. She does the above, and the satisfaction she gets from simply messing with people strengthens that likelihood.

Vinny showed in a previous episode he was willing to do things normal college kids do, such as join a frat, go through Hell Week, and be part of the guys. His motivations for getting into the drug world aren't known, and while pulling a gun and dealing drugs are bad things, is he closer to an Average Joe or a Super Villian? Is Vinny a person that thoroughly enjoys his business to the point that he exacts that joy from the misery he inflicts on others? We don't know enough about him to confirm or deny that notion. He likely has chosen a terrible profession and operates in that profession as any man operating a business might. Why he chose that route and quit college isn't known either. Does he twiddle his thumbs and cackle as a bolt of lightning strikes behind him when he sentences a hit or a beating, etc to someone that didn't pay up? Or does he do so after just getting done talking to a friend about a grocery list?

We do know that Quinn enjoys screwing with people as a way to entertain herself. It is something she does for pleasure and fun, which is a much more evil act than doing evil acts out of necessity for a business/way of life.

The primary motivator for a person like Vinny to enter into an underground business is greed and ambition. Greed is evil, but it's not known if he is evil because he's greedy and ambitious. Their greed leads to evil acts, but the punishments are necessities to drug lords, as letting a person off with a warning or demanding a simple repayment, would only lessen his credibility in the underground world and lead to further issues. While that isn't an excuse. as killing or beating people up or even threatening them with a gun is wrong, but it helps us understand the difference between messing with people for pleasure and messing with them for business. A distinction that helps us recognize his actions as evil, but not necessarily his person.

Does the person specifically do what they do to cause people harm, or is it a byproduct of the career they've chosen? The deeds are evil and that can lead to collateral damage. Either way, Vinny is a deeply troubled person with irrational responses. But is that a byproduct of being evil, or potentially having an anger problem leading him to react irrationally.

Tommy seems to be a spoiled brat that has gotten anything he's wanted in life without working for it. He likely has never dealt with any severe problems in life. He is simply spoiled and stupid and likely has an inferiority complex.
I think using "Evil" here is a shallow way of approaching it. People are rarely ever All Bad, or All Good.

Quinn is a troll, and a bully, and probably has limited empathy, but it's not zero. She shows it towards people she cares about.
Her need to be a dick to everyone also doesn't seem to stem from the need to bully, or control, but more of her just being combative. She doesn't like people who don't stand up to her. She likes people with fight. Her compliment towards Maya when she slapped her was probably genuine.

Don't get me wrong. She's got a bunch to make up for, and should probably be talking to a professional about some stuff, but at the end of the day she was groomed as a kid to be this way. She still young, 20 at the oldest. It's not to late for her to be better.

I'm going to be blunt here. You're takes on Quinn feel so extreme, that it feels like you just don't like her, and are exaggerating her bad qualities, of which there are many, in order to justify never considering looking for anything good in her.

I wouldn't consider Vinny evil either. He embraces DIK life to the extreme, and doesn't care that most people can't handle that. He's a massive arsehole. No way to know if he's salvageable though, since we don't know whether he intended to use that gun.
 

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No, an egomaniac is the precursor to a narcissistic psychopath.
I guess one could make the argument, that she isn't really charming... :ROFLMAO:

Then again: There are guys here that kinda "fell" for her even though she is just a digital character in a game. :unsure:
 
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The part of the game I dislike the most is in episode 4 (Is it episode 4 I can't remember)
When the mc acts like a bastard or maybe an idiot when he finds out about Maya & Josy
I think those scenes could have been handled better imo
No, it was a smart move to fake a tantrum and get an excuse to crawl into Bella's house or HOT's mansion. The first time Fuckface decided to think strategically. :KEK:
 

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That's not what polarizing means. When you say that someone or something is polarizing, what you mean is that it's object of hot debates (like this very same thread is often a proof of) and that tends to divide people around it into irreconcilable groups. I.e. you usually love it or hate it instead.

And DPC's thoughts about Quinn on that Questions and answers session were these:

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"Love to hate or hate to love". The guy has a way with words.
"That's not what polarizing means."
then you directly post the quote from DPC when he say, he expected her to be , polarizing . . .
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Holy shit.
After general whining about Quinn we know, some 14 hours later, have a discussion on moral absolutism versus moral relativism.

Only in the BaDik thread boys and girls :D

I must say that I do like that discussion better than most though.
Then again maybe not since people have dug their trenches and for some reason refuse to discuss in good faith.

Carry on though, it beats waifu wars and DalliX theories.
 

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I think using "Evil" here is a shallow way of approaching it. People are rarely ever All Bad, or All Good.

Quinn is a troll, and a bully, and probably has limited empathy, but it's not zero. She shows it towards people she cares about.
Her need to be a dick to everyone also doesn't seem to stem from the need to bully, or control, but more of her just being combative. She doesn't like people who don't stand up to her. She likes people with fight. Her compliment towards Maya when she slapped her was probably genuine.

Don't get me wrong. She's got a bunch to make up for, and should probably be talking to a professional about some stuff, but at the end of the day she was groomed as a kid to be this way. She still young, 20 at the oldest. It's not to late for her to be better.

I'm going to be blunt here. You're takes on Quinn feel so extreme, that it feels like you just don't like her, and are exaggerating her bad qualities, of which there are many, in order to justify never considering looking for anything good in her.

I wouldn't consider Vinny evil either. He embraces DIK life to the extreme, and doesn't care that most people can't handle that. He's a massive arsehole. No way to know if he's salvageable though, since we don't know whether he intended to use that gun.
I like your breakdown of Quinn's attitude.
Because only at the end of Ep 9 she let's us have a glimpse of her finally evolving as a character when she finally tells Tommy she's sorry and starts to own up to her fuck up.

When you're on a path other than hers, she's basically written for you to hate her. But on her path, you get to see willingness to drop "the walls" she's built up over time.

Anyhow.
Well said. As far as Vinny is concerned,
I still hope he gets hit by a falling satellite.
:ROFLMAO:
 

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I think using "Evil" here is a shallow way of approaching it. People are rarely ever All Bad, or All Good.

Quinn is a troll, and a bully, and probably has limited empathy, but it's not zero. She shows it towards people she cares about.
Her need to be a dick to everyone also doesn't seem to stem from the need to bully, or control, but more of her just being combative. She doesn't like people who don't stand up to her. She likes people with fight. Her compliment towards Maya when she slapped her was probably genuine.

Don't get me wrong. She's got a bunch to make up for, and should probably be talking to a professional about some stuff, but at the end of the day she was groomed as a kid to be this way. She still young, 20 at the oldest. It's not to late for her to be better.

I'm going to be blunt here. You're takes on Quinn feel so extreme, that it feels like you just don't like her, and are exaggerating her bad qualities, of which there are many, in order to justify never considering looking for anything good in her.

I wouldn't consider Vinny evil either. He embraces DIK life to the extreme, and doesn't care that most people can't handle that. He's a massive arsehole. No way to know if he's salvageable though, since we don't know whether he intended to use that gun.
I used to think Quinn was a psychopath, but with the latest episodes she's more clearly a BPD. For good or bad.
 
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Anyone think there is a chance tommy isn't totally against the idea of fuckface being with josy. He obviously trusts him with her when he asks him to watch out for her, but then again I highly doubt it.
He won't have much of a choice if Josy takes Aim at his balls again. Tommy will bitch, boast, posture and moan about it. But in the end I don't think he'll be able to do a single thing to prevent it.
 
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Hmmmmm, no!
I'd like to see your arguments. Going by Wikipedia...
  • Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
  • Unstable and chaotic interpersonal relationships, often characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation, also known as "splitting"
  • Markedly disturbed sense of identity and distorted self-image
  • Impulsive or reckless behaviors (e.g., impulsive or uncontrollable spending, unsafe sex, substance use disorders, reckless driving, binge eating)
  • Recurrent suicidal ideation or self harm
  • Rapidly shifting intense emotional dysregulation
  • Chronic feelings of emptiness
  • Inappropriate, intense anger that can be difficult to control
  • Transient, stress-related paranoid or severe dissociative symptoms
Wikipedia says five out of those nine would be enough. One, two, and four are spot on. Eight and nine are dubious, and the rest are more personal and we haven't seen them yet, but could appear when we learn more about her. I shouldn't have said clearly, but it's a growing possibility.
 

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I'd like to see your arguments. Going by Wikipedia...
  • Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
  • Unstable and chaotic interpersonal relationships, often characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation, also known as "splitting"
  • Markedly disturbed sense of identity and distorted self-image
  • Impulsive or reckless behaviors (e.g., impulsive or uncontrollable spending, unsafe sex, substance use disorders, reckless driving, binge eating)
  • Recurrent suicidal ideation or self harm
  • Rapidly shifting intense emotional dysregulation
  • Chronic feelings of emptiness
  • Inappropriate, intense anger that can be difficult to control
  • Transient, stress-related paranoid or severe dissociative symptoms
Wikipedia says five out of those nine would be enough. One, two, and four are spot on. Eight and nine are dubious, and the rest are more personal and we haven't seen them yet, but could appear when we learn more about her. I shouldn't have said clearly, but it's a growing possibility.
You're describing 99,99% of F95 after-dad-died-20-something-MC-comes-back-living-with-his-"landlady & roomies" VNs' older "roommate" characters, basically. :sneaky:

Just wondering why they're mostly big-boobed tall brunettes :unsure:
 

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My MC is not the Fuckbuddy of Sage. That's why it's so funny to me, because the MC's choice of words is unconscious flirting and Sage perceives it as flirting, whereupon Sage sends the MC the signal so that she is interested in him.
I gave an example with Josy above. You have a lot of other opportunities during the game to flirt with girls. It's Heather, it's Sarah and Mel, even Becky. They will react differently according to your affinity, restaraunt thing and other conditions.

Following your logic - MC periodically falls into insanity and does not know what he is doing and why, but at other times and moments he is perfectly aware of what he is doing (flirting). With Josy, MC even mention his flirt radar. With scene in campus after getting DIK jackets MC have an option to flirt with Becky & Kaily. The difference here is only the purpose and his targets and reasons. Sometimes he is punished for that. Flirting with Becky results in RP loss with J&M during breakfast in cafeteria if MC on their path. Flirting with Sage during photoshoot session at Halloween adds TC points. When MC is not on her path, she says him that he flirt and seems that he like to do it. And in case of being on other MG branch adds something like "We both know that you shouldn't".

Regarding Sage in EP7 and why the dialogue doesn't change depending on fuck buddy path or not. 1. We know that she is interested in MC, or better to say she is fond of MC. 2. Flirting with her gives RP points. There are extra ones if you took care of her in EP6, when she was sick. 3. She like to hear such things from MC even if he is not into her. She suffered from a lack of attention to her feminine side and needs on the part of the Chad.

The problem with being mad at Zoey is that it shows the MC Zoey still has deeper feelings for Zoey. You can only be mad at an ex-partner if the ex-partner means more to you than you want to admit to yourself. Only when the MC has processed the past does he no longer have to be mad at Zoey and the way for a friendship between Zoey and the MC is then open.
I can't agree here. It's your decision to forgive or not forgive somebody. If you feel that the reasons to forgive is not enough or you just doesn't have such reasons, then what? Tbh, he forgive her anyway, but the "distance" between them is different after this choice.

In short, I completely disagree with the position that you can only be mad at someone who meant something to you, while everyone else become forgiven by default, because they mean little to you. It all depends on the person's act, your vision of the situation and possible explanations and motivation of who you plan to forgive or not.

Even the game strongly hints with the consequences of this choice. That if he is mad at her, then he is quite cold with her, even rude in places, and the best option in this case is if they can restore friendship, but without something more. While forgiveness allows you to slip through a significant stage of gradual reconciliation and, perhaps, return to something more besides friendship. But for some reason it looks like that you see this situation in inverted way.

In principle, the final decision for a LI was not in EP8, but in EP9. In EP9, the confirmation of the player's LI choice from EP8 takes place.
Decision was made, but will you come with you decision to finale or will fail depends on your future actions. S3 and EP9 introduced "TC" (cheat counter/temptation counter, whatever it is) with a purpose to test and make you prove your faith and honesty. So, it's only the beginning. The results will unfold close to game finale.
 
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I'd like to see your arguments. Going by Wikipedia...
  • Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment (not the case)
  • Unstable and chaotic interpersonal relationships, often characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation, also known as "splitting" (not the case)
  • Markedly disturbed sense of identity and distorted self-image (not the case)
  • Impulsive or reckless behaviors (e.g., impulsive or uncontrollable spending, unsafe sex, substance use disorders, reckless driving, binge eating) (not the case as only 1 of those fit her with the substance abuse)
  • Recurrent suicidal ideation or self harm (not the case)
  • Rapidly shifting intense emotional dysregulation (not the case)
  • Chronic feelings of emptiness (She's never articulated this)
  • Inappropriate, intense anger that can be difficult to control (I suppose this point can be argued)
  • Transient, stress-related paranoid or severe dissociative symptoms (not the case)
Wikipedia says five out of those nine would be enough. One, two, and four are spot on. Eight and nine are dubious, and the rest are more personal and we haven't seen them yet, but could appear when we learn more about her. I shouldn't have said clearly, but it's a growing possibility.
Corrected your post!
Are you sure you're talking about Quinn?
 
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