VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[MiltonPowers]

The frame where Sage puts her hand on her face in embarrassment, is the same mannerism Madam does in the background. That tells me there's more to it than just someone living their day to day life.
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That doesn't tell us anything, they did it for different reasons, and it's something plenty of people do. Sage is putting her face in her hand out of embarrassment, Madame is shielding her face with her hand to try to avoid being seen/identified. It's not even the same gesture, or mannerism, as you suggest it to be.

And she's hiding from the MC, not anyone else. If you do not go to Madame (as most sensible will not ), she walks in without a care in the world and no hiding of her face.

Sage has just talked with MC about their anal sex and realized the waiter heard. No wonder she's embarrassed.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I wouldn't read too much (or anything at all) into seeing Madame during Sage's date. It's just an Easter egg, it just shows that she is an actual person who has a life outside her job, and it could have been anyone there, too. It's a bit like when we saw Cathy and Jade in the mall, it just shows that they are more than just teachers, they do stuff out of school too (though of course that meeting had a small interaction included in it for comedy effect).

And also, "increase her weight in the story" suggests that she has some to start with! I've never met Madame in any of my saves, but from those who have, all I hear is that there is no link whatsoever, she's just a random add-on rather than being an actual part of the story.

may be, but DPC hardly makes random renders. it is not the same situation as the example you give, that scene takes place on campus where it is “normal” for Jade and Cathy to be there, instead Madame's presence is anything but normal (What would be the point of making a scene to show that there is a character you don't know and won't know?).

kind of like what happened with Jill's cheater friends who we could meet with Quinn (if not in Jill's path) before we knew who they really were

the fact that she is not canon doesn't mean anything, most of the interactions with the sidegirls are not canon, but Nora from being the one-night stand has become a professor, Lily and Nicole have become almost “official,” one can increase one's importance in the story even in just a few runs

Madame is not a random addition, she probably did not get the reception DPC expected, but she has her own destiny to pursue as well.

 

[Macky009]

In my extremely unbiased opinion, the best titties to motorboat... are Sally's

More like a paddleboard

 

[TonyMurray]

may be, but DPC hardly makes random renders. it is not the same situation as the example you give, that scene takes place on campus where it is “normal” for Jade and Cathy to be there, instead Madame's presence is anything but normal (What would be the point of making a scene to show that there is a character you don't know and won't know?).

kind of like what happened with Jill's cheater friends who we could meet with Quinn (if not in Jill's path) before we knew who they really were

the fact that she is not canon doesn't mean anything, most of the interactions with the sidegirls are not canon, but Nora from being the one-night stand has become a professor, Lily and Nicole have become almost “official,” one can increase one's importance in the story even in just a few runs

Madame is not a random addition, she probably did not get the reception DPC expected, but she has her own destiny to pursue as well.

Is the mall on campus? Why would Madame going to a restaurant not be normal? It's what people do in their evenings, there's no reason Madame wouldn't do that. For me, her showing up is a little Easter egg. If you don't use her services, you don't know her, but it's just a little background joke if you do (like MC in the library, for example).

Obviously yes, characters can increase their importance in the story, I'm just saying that there's absolutely nothing to say Madame will do that just because she shows up in this scene. You could have anyone walk past there, the chess-playing male teacher, for example. I just think a couple of people are reading too much into seeing someone you recognise in the background in a completely normal circumstance.

 

[jd8097619]

Maybe he thought she could be an intentional easy target for criticism, so stuff people actually care about won't get bashed as much.

If that's the case, he was incredibly wrong. She may be a lightning rod for accusations of "useless shit", but he's still under fire for things like minigames and 60FPS.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's a mix of just being easy filler (teleport to scenes, no writing needed) and a test bench for animation stuff.

 

[Gunizz]

We have been talking about this over in the D&H discord and the best consensus guess on the selection of scenes (18 is same as ep 9 with the big party renders) is

1 maya,
2 josy,
3 M&J,
4 sage,
5 sage +?,
6 & 7 jill,
8 & 9 bella,
10 quinn,
11 zoey,
12 lily,
13 nicole,
14 jade,
15 sarah,
16 mel,
17 cammi,
18 elena,

Now there is some room for more if jill and bella are down to 1 scene, that could add becky or biancia cheat options or sandy at the pink rose.

After 3 in 10 most hope madame is a skip but could have 1

im pulling for a sally/krj 3 some from april fools getting a slot

oh my ? guess for sage 3 some is heather

mel and nicole are the weakest selections right now

I think it's too early for a Elena scene, I could see a threesome with Heather happening.

I don't think that'll change anytime soon. Especially with Zoey likely needing scenes or even her own route in the future. Or Bianca, Elena, Sally, Karen, Tiffany, Yoga girl etc who people would like to get a scene.

Ep1 = 6 scenes
Ep2 = 8 scenes
Ep3 = 10 scenes
Ep4 = 15 scenes
Ep5 = 11 Scenes
Ep6 = 19 scenes (10 of them D&G scenes)
Ep7 = 15 scenes (3 Madame scenes)
Ep8 = 16 scenes (2 Madame scenes)
Int = 2 scenes
Ep9 = 18 scenes (7 others)
Ep10 = 16 scenes (3 Madame Scenes, 6 others)
Ep11 = 18 apparently
(I didn't include if some are dreams, one offs or variations like Madame's because I'm slightly drunk and far too fucking lazy)

The later episodes are not delivering less lewds. The problem is the fact the game split. It's had the MC (unless on Others) go from potentially interacting with numerous women and getting multiple scenes, to one woman and getting 1-2 scenes. Jill also loves dick now so has scenes where she didn't need them early on.

The amount of lewds has stayed pretty consistent since Ep4 it's 15-19 scenes per episode. I think he could stop sandboxes and minigames next episode and future ones would still run into a similar problem. It'd still be a handful of scenes per route because all that lewd content is spread out and walled off. Which is why choice in games tends to be self contained or underwhelming, to avoid locking stuff off and having development take forever the way a bunch of real choices would.

At this point the only two real ways to unfuck that is increase dev time even more to make 30-35+ lewds per epizoda. Or cull the Other path so main girls get that content and time allocated to them instead, which means Quinn, Riona, Lily Nicole etc go the way of the dodo. Which I don't think most want either. In hindsight he probably made the routes exclusive too early.



Lovely more nightmare fuel ahoy!
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You missed my point. I am not counting lewds per episode, because that would be misleading. I wrote about number of lewds after 14 months of development and the ratio total images/lewd. Because the sex and erotic aspect gets more diluted as we progress. It seems the balance is now not optimal for an AVN, I already felt that when playing last episode.

 

[RAP20012]

And somehow I don't think DPC will be adding either variation. But he'll probably take the $500 to say he won't. (I would).

Lmaooo, I'm sure he would, wouldn't he? I'm gonna pump my money up hopefully soon so 500 should be like chump change to and in this economy it already is.

 

[RAP20012]

No no, Joshy doesn't eat his own cum out of the pussy, he eats someone else's cum out of the pussy, Jacob's in this particular example.

Very important distinction

Yall, make me die with laughter, lmaoo!

 

[shazba jnr]

I saw people commenting we are getting 3 Madame scenes and but I really doubt that will happen.

She probably got 3 scenes last EP because she did not make an apparence in EP 9 (the best one lewd wise in my humble opinion) and because DPC is probably too proud to admit he fucked up with her characther/model.

Also, do remind that her scenes had less than 60s of animations in total (2% of the total animations in EP 10), so it was probably something done to inflate EP10 lewd scene count, otherwise it would have only 13 scenes (with 2 of them being extremly short like Sage cinema scene & Lily BJ).

Now, while I would love for her to disappear and never appear again, that won't happen because DPC will always DPC, but it does appear she will have some plot relevance since she did appear on Sage's date even if you never met her in game.

At worst I see her getting one scene in EP 10, mostly because it's something than inflates the lewd scene number and probably it's really easy to do since all her scenes share the same assets, something that likely make them easier to do and require less planning.

about Madame: initially the sidegirls had space every other chapter. lately this has changed as many of them have gained prominence or otherwise taken up space. not all of them, for example Camilla and Jade have retained this non-constant presence.

we need to see if Madame, regardless of the judgment of her, will increase her weight in the story. her presence during the date with Sage makes me think so, it is the first time we see her outside of the vip pass. it seems hard to me that we will not see her in the next chapter, and once we meet her having at least one lewd scene seems “ ineluctable” to me

I wouldn't read too much (or anything at all) into seeing Madame during Sage's date. It's just an Easter egg, it just shows that she is an actual person who has a life outside her job, and it could have been anyone there, too. It's a bit like when we saw Cathy and Jade in the mall, it just shows that they are more than just teachers, they do stuff out of school too (though of course that meeting had a small interaction included in it for comedy effect).

And also, "increase her weight in the story" suggests that she has some to start with! I've never met Madame in any of my saves, but from those who have, all I hear is that there is no link whatsoever, she's just a random add-on rather than being an actual part of the story.

The frame where Sage puts her hand on her face in embarrassment, is the same mannerism Madam does in the background. That tells me there's more to it than just someone living their day to day life.
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That doesn't tell us anything, they did it for different reasons, and it's something plenty of people do. Sage is putting her face in her hand out of embarrassment, Madame is shielding her face with her hand to try to avoid being seen/identified. It's not even the same gesture, or mannerism, as you suggest it to be.

And she's hiding from the MC, not anyone else. If you do not go to Madame (as most sensible will not ), she walks in without a care in the world and no hiding of her face.

Sage has just talked with MC about their anal sex and realized the waiter heard. No wonder she's embarrassed.

may be, but DPC hardly makes random renders. it is not the same situation as the example you give, that scene takes place on campus where it is “normal” for Jade and Cathy to be there, instead Madame's presence is anything but normal (What would be the point of making a scene to show that there is a character you don't know and won't know?).

kind of like what happened with Jill's cheater friends who we could meet with Quinn (if not in Jill's path) before we knew who they really were

the fact that she is not canon doesn't mean anything, most of the interactions with the sidegirls are not canon, but Nora from being the one-night stand has become a professor, Lily and Nicole have become almost “official,” one can increase one's importance in the story even in just a few runs

Madame is not a random addition, she probably did not get the reception DPC expected, but she has her own destiny to pursue as well.

Is the mall on campus? Why would Madame going to a restaurant not be normal? It's what people do in their evenings, there's no reason Madame wouldn't do that. For me, her showing up is a little Easter egg. If you don't use her services, you don't know her, but it's just a little background joke if you do (like MC in the library, for example).

Obviously yes, characters can increase their importance in the story, I'm just saying that there's absolutely nothing to say Madame will do that just because she shows up in this scene. You could have anyone walk past there, the chess-playing male teacher, for example. I just think a couple of people are reading too much into seeing someone you recognise in the background in a completely normal circumstance.

So just resurrecting a not so older post of mine:

The guy in the hat in front of the Madame is Mr Wallace (the guy that Burke used to work for as well as the namesake for Wallace Resources, the company sponsoring the dodgy scholarships that Burke is awarding to HOTs who prostitute themselves out):

First shot is Wallace 10 years ago vs Second shot is now:

Less hair, slightly older...

And he seems to be with the Madame:

AKA Priscilla from Wallace Resources.

This makes the Madame a much more important character (which really needs to happen if she's gonna keep showing up).

 

[ZenoMod]

I wrote about number of lewds after 14 months of development and the ratio total images/lewd. Because the sex and erotic aspect gets more diluted as we progress. It seems the balance is now not optimal for an AVN, I already felt that when playing last episode.

Yes, what is disappointing is the wanted content to total content ratio.

I could agree in waiting more for having more storytelling and lewd content.

But having to wait more because he is doing animated cutaway scenes just to prove his virtuosism in 3D animation, when those scenes add literally nothing both to the storytelling and to the lewd content... Is disappointing.

We could have faster delivery AND smaller space occupied on our HDs if he didn't render something no one but himself cares about.

( And typically those cutaway scenes are non skippable at the first playthrough...

Why the hell would he make something unskippable if he weren't well aware that nobody wants to waste two minutes watching an animation which bear no story development at all???

Yes, just as felicemastronzo said before, DPC is treating his audience exactly as Alex was treated during the "Ludovico Technique" in A Clockwork Orange.

Forced watching. - And then he gets angry if someone mods his game to get rid of it )

 

[hoshin0119]

need lewd scenes of Tiffany, Gina, Becky, and Tara.

 

[ZenoMod]

I wish the April Fools' preview came real...

 

[Bazsa4]

So just resurrecting a not so older post of mine:

The guy in the hat in front of the Madame is Mr Wallace (the guy that Burke used to work for as well as the namesake for Wallace Resources, the company sponsoring the dodgy scholarships that Burke is awarding to HOTs who prostitute themselves out):

First shot is Wallace 10 years ago vs Second shot is now:

Less hair, slightly older...

And he seems to be with the Madame:

AKA Priscilla from Wallace Resources.

This makes the Madame a much more important character (which really needs to happen if she's gonna keep showing up).

OK OK HOLD THE FUCK UP What????

 

[Mordreut]

So just resurrecting a not so older post of mine:

The guy in the hat in front of the Madame is Mr Wallace (the guy that Burke used to work for as well as the namesake for Wallace Resources, the company sponsoring the dodgy scholarships that Burke is awarding to HOTs who prostitute themselves out):

First shot is Wallace 10 years ago vs Second shot is now:

Less hair, slightly older...

And he seems to be with the Madame:

AKA Priscilla from Wallace Resources.

This makes the Madame a much more important character (which really needs to happen if she's gonna keep showing up).

If this theory is true (very possible), Madame could be the link between Stephen Burke, the "restaurant" and the Pink Rose (she can even be the mastermind) In both cases, all the Madame plot would be very relevant for the history

 

[Orgitas]

More Madame? Yes please!

 

[Chalk boss]

okay we are talking about a completely unrealistic hypothesis (to which DPC's response will probably be half chapters): but what are we talking about? how much should the time frame be reduced to create this wave of criticism of the content? we went from 7 months to 11 months, and now from 11 to probably 14.

do you expect that it might go back to 7 months ? in that case some doubt might be there.... but if it went back under a year the general relief would surely and without any doubt be greater than any possible problem

No one is asking for the DPС to cut episodes, it's enough that they don't grow exponentially. Pretty soon he'll just lose all control and it'll take two years to develop one chapter, and DPK will be under so much stress about it that he'll burn out and end up taking a year off.

I saw people commenting we are getting 3 Madame scenes and but I really doubt that will happen.

She probably got 3 scenes last EP because she did not make an apparence in EP 9 (the best one lewd wise in my humble opinion) and because DPC is probably too proud to admit he fucked up with her characther/model.

Also, do remind that her scenes had less than 60s of animations in total (2% of the total animations in EP 10), so it was probably something done to inflate EP10 lewd scene count, otherwise it would have only 13 scenes (with 2 of them being extremly short like Sage cinema scene & Lily BJ).

Now, while I would love for her to disappear and never appear again, that won't happen because DPC will always DPC, but it does appear she will have some plot relevance since she did appear on Sage's date even if you never met her in game.

At worst I see her getting one scene in EP 10, mostly because it's something than inflates the lewd scene number and probably it's really easy to do since all her scenes share the same assets, something that likely make them easier to do and require less planning.


The easiest way to get faster updated without affecting sizes at all would be to stop making animations 60fps and going back to 30.

That would make rendering go so much faster and I wouldn't be surprised that it would save like 3-4 months in a development cycle.

And the best part is that it would be something that wouldn't affect the EP qualitly for most since DAZ animations (lewd ones) look fine at 30fps.

I think the real reason for going to 60fps is so that the hardware doesn't idle when it's doing normal renders. He actually had two choices: keep 30 fps and just do more lewd scenes to keep his PC's from idling, or keep the same amount of 16-18 and just do 60 fps.
He decided to do the second one. Also the long rendering time of the animations allows him to make more renders, write more dialog, make more minigames and it's all interconnected.

 

[Kodek]

So just resurrecting a not so older post of mine:

The guy in the hat in front of the Madame is Mr Wallace (the guy that Burke used to work for as well as the namesake for Wallace Resources, the company sponsoring the dodgy scholarships that Burke is awarding to HOTs who prostitute themselves out):

First shot is Wallace 10 years ago vs Second shot is now:

Less hair, slightly older...

And he seems to be with the Madame:

AKA Priscilla from Wallace Resources.

This makes the Madame a much more important character (which really needs to happen if she's gonna keep showing up).

I expected as much when she had a scene in episode 10, intead of many other girls that are way more story involved than her. Like Camilla or Sandy.

It all pointed to the bull of having her as a more impactiful character of sorts. Complete stupid move by DPC as it always has been when invoving this uther waste of time of a character. I would rather be wrong in my assumptions and you be wrong in your hipothesis, but alas, DPC wants her apparently.

 

[godkingxerxes]

So just resurrecting a not so older post of mine:

The guy in the hat in front of the Madame is Mr Wallace (the guy that Burke used to work for as well as the namesake for Wallace Resources, the company sponsoring the dodgy scholarships that Burke is awarding to HOTs who prostitute themselves out):

First shot is Wallace 10 years ago vs Second shot is now:

Less hair, slightly older...

And he seems to be with the Madame:

AKA Priscilla from Wallace Resources.

This makes the Madame a much more important character (which really needs to happen if she's gonna keep showing up).

Got to bang Madame on all paths going forward it seems.

 

[senshi31]

7/10

 

[felicemastronzo]

I expected as much when she had a scene in episode 10, intead of many other girls that are way more story involved than her. Like Camilla or Sandy.

It all pointed to the bull of having her as a more impactiful character of sorts. Complete stupid move by DPC as it always has been when invoving this uther waste of time of a character. I would rather be wrong in my assumptions and you be wrong in your hipothesis, but alas, DPC wants her apparently.

i am quite convinced that DPC did not expect that Madame would be so hated, he even dedicated a preview to her, thus a real spoiler of a character up to that point never seen. it is also relatively complicated to get to her, you have to win the hells week and complete the reconstruction of the house with the minigame. in the end it is mainly from the aesthetic point of view that she was rejected.

in DPC's mind Madame was never just another addition.