ZenoMod

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To be fair it is very close to being finished. At this point it's the animations that are likely to be the last thing done and beta testing can happen without those being completed if he was smart about it.
You answered yourself. "IF".
 

Crusader of Romance

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To be fair it is very close to being finished. At this point it's the animations that are likely to be the last thing done and beta testing can happen without those being completed if he was smart about it.
True. Last update from 2 days ago his computer was doing the last 62 animations and he was working on the art now. So the game is finished except for the animations being animated and the last static renders. The episode should be finished by the end of the year or so, then he will play test full time.
 

ZenoMod

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It may be, but to me dpc seems very "smart"

I totally agree with you, being the definition of "smart" someone who does his own interests.

That "IF" was following the implicit definition of "smart" assumed by the post I was replying to, that is someone who do things in the quickest way possible.

But as we already discussed, that would be smart for someone paid by delivery and DPC is paid by the month.

So, yes, you're right he IS smart.
 

Catsup3227

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NTR is a problematic acronym because it can mean many things. That one with Heather would be Netori, not netorare, because MC "steals" the girl from another dude. The point of view is always the MC's.
Yes, that would be netori. I mean that if we were playing fast and loose with the definition of NTR (i.e if MC and Elena has sex that is NTR) then NTR would already have happened because Heather can give MC a blowjob.

He means it because Heather and Nick. Some people would include that in the netorare are.
See my answer to Gunizz.

It's not NTR if they're cool with it. They're just "spreading the love" so to speak.

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I don't agree that rushing a product is "smart" and that taking your time to get it as good as possible is not. To some of you this might be "just a porn game" but the rest of us actually care about the quality of the content more than the quantity.

I do care more of the quality of the narration more than the quantity of frames.

That's why I would prefere 30fps. Let's be honest: character movements are way too robotic to actually believe that increasing the frame rate would enhance the quality of the animations.

DPC boasts about spending implementation efforts to improve the rendering of the damn bottles in the background, yet thinks metallic gray teeth are perfectly fine as they are.

I do agree that this is one of the best AVN, otherwise I wouldn't bother being here, but it is one of the best for the narration, NOT for the fucking 60fps or the cutscenes with camera panning.

I've seen animation of characters that nonetheless being at 30fps looks less robotic, thus more realistic, thus they have a better quality.

Free roams: they are fun the first time you play, but they are an huge effort programmatically and they are not skippable with FF on the replays to explore different branches.

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My opinion is that there is a bunch of stuff that could be dropped without decreasing the quality of the game, and dropping it could decrease production time by 20% at least.
 
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Crusader of Romance

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I do care more of the quality of the narration more than the quantity of frames.

That's why I would prefere 30fps.
I know that some feel like you but there are other who don't agree. I have seen negative reviews on Steam for Visual Novels because the frame rate was 30fps. I personally don't care much about higher frame rate but obviously some do.
 

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I am late to the party here I know but I just finished episode 4. Bit bummed you are forced to forgive as it were, Maya and to a lesser extent Josy did the mc dirty.
 

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The renders (and animations) vs development time are actually very proportional:

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What is your "Renders (including animations)" number indicative of? Going by the mpa71 Big Table if you're just adding the number of animations on to the number of renders, Episode 10 would only have ~6200, but the graph looks like over 6500, so I'm having a hard time understanding what that means? Obviously animations and renders aren't 1:1 so I'd understand if you didn't just add it on, but I don't really get where the number comes from otherwise.

Regardless, I don't think that the graph really shows that the newer episodes are "very proportional". They fit the trend if you include them in the trend (thereby weighing the trend more towards themselves), but if you created a trend line from Episode 2 to Episode 7 or even Episode 8, that line would be quite a bit lower than the plotpoints for Episodes 9 and 10. Even moreso if you just did the trend line for Season 2; look how flat that trend is between Episodes 4, 5, 6, and 7. This shows that DPC was on a faster pace in the episodes before Season 3.

I don't like including animations or giving DPC credit for having 25 minutes of animations vs past episodes where he has less than 10 anyway because oftentimes all that contributes to the project is a 30 second Halloween animation that could have been 10 renders. Or a Zoey running animation that could have been 3 renders. If I am gonna include animations, I think doing it the mpa71 way of counting seconds of animations is the best way, and if you look at that, once again, Episode 7 and 8 have some of the highest ratios of seconds Animated in the end product vs development time. Including animations can explain why its taking longer, but it doesn't explain why there's such a hyperfocus on animations if they're taking so long for so little payoff.

And keep in mind that Episode 11 (and part of Episode 10) is using tech that is supposed to be MULTITUDES better than what he used to have.

I think Episode 7 is the Gold Standard for what DPC can do if he has his priorities straight, and even Episode 8 starts to show a trend of favoring animations and unsurprisingly having a worse ratio of development time vs material gains than the Episode before it.
 
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For a moment I thought I was on Twitter, because I came here to download the game and see people's opinions about a porn game, and out of nowhere I came across a discussion about misogyny and people calling others incels.

WHAT....
 
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come on guys, talking about when chapter 12 will come out is really mental cruelty....

let's wait for 11 and then start betting on how much more of the last chapter it will take
 
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RK - Milf

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Wait wait, after ready the update note and your comment. Is it true?

That there won't be episode 11? Meaning is that Dev is gonna introduce episode 11 and 12 together?

Damn is gonna be a long wait for the next update.
 
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